The KS8000 has far, far superior motion resolution to any of the OLEDs. Much more important for gaming than some of the qualities provided by OLED, imo. Better latency also.
After watching both Karak's videos on the matter, defo worth to wait for some proper OLED 4k HRD with FLAD and low input lag.
As mentioned before gaming in 4k with HRD is a novelty for constructors. They are starting to follow that market. 2017-2018 will be good.
After watching both Karak's videos on the matter, defo worth to wait for some proper OLED 4k HRD with FLAD and low input lag.
As mentioned before gaming in 4k with HRD is a novelty for constructors. They are starting to follow that market. 2017-2018 will be good.
Sure - if you use it with 110 ms input lag - if you enable game mode you are back to 60 Hz VA panel speeds like every TV
Every OLED is FALD by default since all their pixels are light sources.
It's always better to wait if you can, even moreso now, but if you gotta jump in now for whatever reason I don't think it's the end of the world or anything. There are some options out there, but nothing is perfect, at least not yet
Cheers, for the correction.
Worth the wait indeed specially taking into consideration the "war" between the HDR and Dobly Vision going on. Reminds me of the "war" between Bluray and HD DVD. If you do need to jump in now the options are quite limited but they do exist. For each their own I guess.
Suggested viewing before you decide whether or not to spend the cash on it.
i think i'll wait to see if next year they'll have a better solution w/ full array.
How does 720/1080 scale nicely?
Strange, Australia also has the 9000 series as the top of the line. From looking at the UK Samsung site, the KS9000 is a curved screen variant of the KS8000.
Insanely high? Maybe its because I don't play competitive, but I barely feel any difference between my 144hz pc monitor and my 19ms tv when it comes to input lag. I even stream stuff to it using shield and steam streaming over wifi just fine (there is input lag with that route but it's far from horrible)TV seems pretty decent, but 22ms is still insanely high. I'll be waiting awhile it seems.
I always wondered about this with TVs. I've only seen 4k laptops running in 1080p and those did not look as sharp as a typical 1080p laptop1080p content should look identical to how it looks on a 1080p set since 3840x2160 is exactly 4x the pixels of 1080p. 720p, no idea.
After watching both Karak's videos on the matter, defo worth to wait for some proper OLED 4k HRD with FLAD and low input lag.
As mentioned before gaming in 4k with HRD is a novelty for constructors. They are starting to follow that market. 2017-2018 will be good.
That guy clearly doesn't have full understanding of what he is trying to talk about is just ends up defaulting to "buy TV with best of every feature or just hold off". Well fuck, let's just recommend everybody to get LG E6 and close the damn thread lol. Is it really LG E6 or bust? Come on mang...
BTW if you want a good full array set you want to buy today, you can always spend the bucks and get the LG OLEDs. The Visio would be OK as well but I think their bare bones display only approach kinda sucks for that price range. I think I would forgo local dimming over better image quality and get the KS8000 over M55.
Dynamic medadata is indeed a pretty big switch. Very sad we are entering the first swing of these sets and games are primed and thats not in there for HDR10/On the fence, but the next gen HDMI, which seems to come soon, will support dynamic metadata for HDR and that difference seems to be huge. But then this metadata seems only to be supported by Dolby Vision but not by HDR10.
Still early days for HDR, maybe I should just wait although I might not be able too.
That guy clearly doesn't have full understanding of what he is trying to talk about is just ends up defaulting to "buy TV with best of every feature or just hold off". Well fuck, let's just recommend everybody to get LG E6 and close the damn thread lol. Is it really LG E6 or bust? Come on mang...
BTW if you want a good full array set you want to buy today, you can always spend the bucks and get the LG OLEDs. The Visio would be OK as well but I think their bare bones display only approach kinda sucks for that price range. I think I would forgo local dimming over better image quality and get the KS8000 over M55.
What's wrong with waiting to see if they release a TV with all the right features you want in place?
If you really want to go ahead and buy one go ahead of course, but you should at least know what you're getting, and the video is pretty informative in that sense.
Also, the LGE6, even aside from the price, has some questionable input lag so far.
Hey i'm not saying anyone buying a TV now is a chump, but it's always best to have all the information first, and then make your (informed) decision, that's why i'm defending that video.Not having TV or having only a crappy one makes waiting not so atractive proposition.
The last time I used "wait for something perfect" was when I ignored Eizo 120Hz and bought cheap 60Hz Benq as temporary solution - I ended using it for 3 years before I finally got proper 144Hz display which still was 600 euro compromise with bit better ones being 900+ and full of QA problems.
People thinking next year will have reasonably priced FALD or newest OLED models are up for rude awakening. I'm guessing we will need to wait at least 2-3 years before we get TV like that in 1000 Euro/$ range. And it's extremely unlikely that whole format war thing will be resolved in 2017 models considering they just started showing third format which is supposed to be used for tv broadcast.
So personally I'll be buying X800D/KS7000/DX750 in few weeks and then I'll be able to skip whole format war and buy into perfectly mature tech while still enjoying a bit of HDR. And since consoles are HDR10 we should be safe until P4 Pro Neo2 arrives
My only alternative would be spending half of what KS7000 costs on temporary 1080p tv.
Personally i prefer to wait (didn't have the money right now anyway) and see what's coming, then if nothing interesting comes out next year, i'll see where i am then and decide.
More information is never bad though.
But if it turns out nothing interesting is coming out next year then it was just wasted time that could be enjoyed with new stuff.
Plus we won't know if any of those new tvs are good when they are announced. We will need to wait for reviews.
For example Sony 2013/2014 were best gaming machines with lowest input lag then it all went to crap and now they fallen behind.
I'm not sure if this helps, but this is a shot of how an anime image looks on a US k8000, the weakest of the KS levels. At least, for how I have it calibrated.
Hey i'm not saying anyone buying a TV now is a chump, but it's always best to have all the information first, and then make your (informed) decision, that's why i'm defending that video.
If you're willing to compromise on those aspects and shortcomings, that's understandable, but at least you should be aware of them before you spend 1000+€ on something.
Personally i prefer to wait (didn't have the money right now anyway) and see what's coming, then if nothing interesting comes out next year, i'll see where i am then and decide.
More information is never bad though.
There's a few KS8000 left for $1,500 if you're game to buy http://m.ebay.com/itm/331937924777
There's $100 back from eBay rewards.Shows $1649 for me.
There's $100 back from eBay rewards.
It no biggy. Its hyperbolized now into a knee jerk "PERFECT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" response which hilariously isn't what the video was about at all. But it is about making sure your not impacting the very technology your excited about, if you can, and jumping into when there is absolutely BARELY any media available for it so its the perfect time to check out and see.
Suggested viewing before you decide whether or not to spend the cash on it.
i think i'll wait to see if next year they'll have a better solution w/ full array.
Ya watched a dozen or more.Have you watched any uhd/hdr movies on the samsung yet? I cant stand it when a bright object on a dark scene blooms/light bleeds into the surrounding areas and edge lit displays. Since the edge lighting is on the top and bottom, is it safe to assume that the black bars in movies will be gray? Has the technology gotten better?
What's wrong with waiting to see if they release a TV with all the right features you want in place?
If you really want to go ahead and buy one go ahead of course, but you should at least know what you're getting, and the video is pretty informative in that sense.
Also, the LGE6, even aside from the price, has some questionable input lag so far.
Uh, he accurately described the pros and cons of the current technology and did it in short time. If you have a problem with his assessment other than the "he recommends the most expensive thing--boo!" how about you articulate it?
Fucking Gaf, man.
Ya watched a dozen or more.
You CAN get it to go a good deal away. But depending on the movie it will be more or less noticeable. However in games there are some issues. For example you can see bars of light whenever you have a bright light in one spot. Dragons Dogma looks odd as hell during the night scenes with the center of the screen vertical barred. I almost got it removed but then of course daytime was out of wack. To be fair that game is a GREAT test for HDR displays showing none HDR content and the various different settings.
When your loading a level and you have an icon. Witcher, Batman, in one corner you have the same. Luckily its just the loading screen but its annoying. Primal had some issues during night scenes when the minimap or other corner items light up one side of the screen during dark scenes, with that vertical bar as well.
All things people can ignore for sure. But there yes.
The thing I am noticing a great deal more with the Samsung than any other set is that moving from game to game, HDR game like Forza 3 Horizon(I am reviewing it) and say going to a movie is that I find myself fighting the settings constantly to make up for something or the other. While the others I have to do that less and noticeably so. That shouldn't be a surprise though as thats a regular complaint on that set for some folks.
But that input lag is AMAZINGLY good. Can't wait to see the improvements on input with the next sets.
That's LG B6. E6 has more reasonable input lag in the 30ms range.
The way he describes local dimming was shit. And while I agree that lack of it can be annoying, it's not a deal breaker to everyone and also have to know that it's one of those compromises you have to make based on the price. You want great local dimming? Then you simply have to pay a lot more for it. He couldn't explain that because it felt like he really didn't know how TV sets achieve it.
Maybe on the next vid I will go more technical."That was more than adequate as a primer and worked with the way the rest of the data was explained. It is one way we describe it when 'making black appear.blacker' doesn't make enough sense to the customer. Also the pong ball comparison makes sense as that is one of the tests itself."
Each to their own. I see the huge forum threads in the various audio visual forms of people hating them and calling for returns and blah blah blah. I am not into that. I am into everyone understanding what HDR is doing and trying to maximize that actual effect when the media is out to support it, with the technology of that time.Thanks for your input, i really appreciate it. The vertical light bars pretty much confirms that i wont be happy with the samsung. Im thinking that when games with hdr come out the light bleeding will be even more noticeable, especially in a dark game like gears of war.
Could someone post a link/s to anywhere I can DL the Pro demos? I'm taking a trip to the TV store and would like to take a USB with some goodies s on it to check out, thanks.
They also added a couple processes that directly impact that input lag(as you said to improve TV picture quality for movies). It should not be very hard for many tv manufacturers to firmware out some of them to get that lag down lower than it is.Yeah, kind of surprised myself, they maybe looking at market trend or marketing trend. They seems to focus on image processing now than game input lag. Pretty picture probably sells more tv than telling gamers about input lag. Just look at the rtng results, basically all the 4k tv prior to x800D, were all broken in 4k since day 1 for pc usage and they have never bother to patch it. This goes all the way back to more than a year ago and probably the one before those too.
Do you mean these? http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr
They also added a couple processes that directly impact that input lag(as you said to improve TV picture quality for movies). It should not be very hard for many tv manufacturers to firmware out some of them to get that lag down lower than it is.
A third party Amazon seller (99% rating after 3000+ reviews) briefly listed a new 55" version of this set for $1297, no tax and free shipping.
I jumped on it. Can't wait to get my hands on this set in a week or so! I also purchased a wall mount and a bias lighting kit.
Maybe on the next vid I will go more technical.
Maybe on the next vid I will go more technical.
You sir, are a gent and a scholar. Thanks
Just a question about your preference in regards to this issue.No problem. I know how it can be.
We used to have folks drag video game systems in lol. Any good store will do it. Though they may want to verify it doesn't have malware and shit on the usb
yapSo this review is about the KS8000 series in Europe, right? Not the KS8000 in the US, which is the KS7000 in Europe.
Just a question about your preference in regards to this issue.
If you had to choose, what would you rather have, an edge lit dimming solution like the ks8000 that produces the vertical column when there's a small bright object in a dark scene, or something hat doesn't have dimming at all like the x800d that won't produce a vertical column but can't be as dynamic in other scenes as the ks8000 due to the lack of dimming.
Just a question about your preference in regards to this issue.
If you had to choose, what would you rather have, an edge lit dimming solution like the ks8000 that produces the vertical column when there's a small bright object in a dark scene, or something hat doesn't have dimming at all like the x800d that won't produce a vertical column but can't be as dynamic in other scenes as the ks8000 due to the lack of dimming.