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DigiTimes: Foxconn trialing production of NX, ~10m units expected annually
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That confirms it, NX is cancelled.Remember when Nintendo shit-canned 32-bit CD-ROM in 1993, after months of silence?
In favor of 64-bit Project Reality.
That couldn't happen internally at NoJ, right?
The Last One
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Wii is, to this date, one of the most well conceived piece of technology from the XXI century.
It's from a time when Nintendo knew exactly what they were doing, exactly what they were selling and for whom they were doing it. And a good portion of that success were due to the posture they adopted.
You could see an entire philosophy behind the console. The concept was clear as day. If you watch the 2006 E3 press conference, you can easily say Nintendo knew they had a massive hit at their hands. They just knew it.
I really don't get what moved Nintendo - commercially - from a self aware company to the Wii U era: trying to embrace everyone, sending a message to someone and selling the product to no one.
What happened is that they saw the casual audience leaving them from a mile away and tried to make an all-rounder without knowing how. They had the right basic idea in mind with Wii U, but messed up the execution to thinkable levels.
Implying Pokemon Go wasn't a thing that dominated the better part of this summer, smashing records companies could only dream of smashing. Between that, the Olympics and the Apple event Nintendo have garnered a hell of a lot of attention while breaking records. You can bet your ass Mario Run is going to dominate this Christmas.
AquaWateria
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Yeah its like people love forgetting some of these things because its Nintendo.
In terms of PR Nintendo has been doing more than Sony, but its just easier to ignore.
This is the worst. All summer and an entire "fall" month behind us without so much as a tweet implying anything or an announcement of an announcement. Literally nothing at all for such a long stretch of time. I believe they'll launch in March no matter what, but I can't help but feel they're scrambling to put together presentable games and, in that rush to be ready, September fell out of the reveal time window. I mean, why else October? If it's even October. FFS.
AquaWateria
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They said they would announce the NX in the fall.
However, people are forgetting that Sept hasn't ended yet and that fall hasn't even begun yet.
JimJamJones
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Didn't fall officially start 5 days ago?
The only thing that was implied was that not officially talking about the NX and getting core gamers to make endless threads about the NX is not an accomplishment.
Because it's not.
We don't need to play that game that "everyone" is dying for NX news without Nintendo having to do anything, because (at the moment) it's really just some hardcore gamers going back and forth on it.
GeekyDad
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That's the beauty of being vague (and Nintendo). There is no "schedule." When it arrives, it'll be right on time.
in their defense there pretty much was no way to follow up wii, given the market at the time. it was destined to be a bust, not that Wii U was a particularly great way to go about it either
the only thing they really could've done is release a stopgap console (assuming NX tech would've been too expensive in 2012)
Oh god, Nintendo is going to fumble the ball with this (virtual console) so bad...
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I think what happened was mostly a lot of mismanagement and poorly allocated resources sometime during the Wii era (starting sometime when the Wii U was in its planning stages). It's the same reason why the Wii's release schedule was so barren near the end of its lifespan, and why the 3DS's launch felt so rushed and improper.
Nintendo had to have been kind of a disaster internally around that time despite the fact that by that point they were still extremely successful in the moment. I guess we'll never really know why or what exactly happened.
Dark Cloud
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I think you're forgetting the most important factor and that is Nintendo would be overseeing this. Nintendo doesn't do bad gameplay. You know they would put their spin and uniqueness on it. Miyamoto would flip some tables if it had bad gameplay lol
Nintendo would have to give them big money for sure lol. Plus, I don't really care if it's some huge open world game. It can be smaller, but more meatier. It's Nintendo afterall.
NinjaCoachZ
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One of the big things I think was a mistake in retrospect is they were too content to just rest on their laurels, rather than using the profits to expand meaningfully.
Nintendo could have invested in western studios to broaden their portfolio, and taken additional multimedia ventures to expand their IPs to recognizability beyond video games. The fact that we've gone 26 years without a Mario or Zelda cartoon, movie, or anything animated like that is crazy.
Of course stuff like this is easy to say in retrospect, especially when you're an outsider like me.
I honestly don't think this alone is really the issue. I mean, maybe they should have expanded, but I still strongly believe that Nintendo shouldn't target the "hardcore western," market aggressively. That market is already being meaningfully fulfilled by Microsoft and Sony.
I think that Nintendo could have properly designed a console marketed towards casuals/families, but the Wii U was just really poorly conceived in those terms under simply hardware design. And I think this was mostly due to really bad mismanagement and a disastrous product development cycle, which themselves were a result of internal problems that no one really knows about outside of Nintendo.
Skittzo0413
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I really think it all stemmed from them splitting their development resources between two systems, meaning they had to wind down on Wii support when the 3DS was nearing launch. Then that issue got incredibly more problematic in the transition to HD development.
Back in the early/pre Wii days they often came out with a lot more simple games, especially on the DS, and they could afford to split their resources between two entirely different platforms. But as development costs and complexities increased they couldn't really afford that anymore. Nintendo has essentially said as much too, which is the entire purpose of the NX.
Yeah...3DS really saw some bigger, home console quality games from Nintendo.
NinjaCoachZ
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Yeah, to put a long story short I don't think there's been any one single thing that's led Nintendo to the debacles they're in as of the past few years, but I think generally speaking, they started focusing too much on the short term rather than the long haul, and that really bit them in the ass once the Wii/DS steam started slowing down.
That and a bunch of other factors (loss of casual market, misreading both them and the hardcore/western-focused, problematic 3DS launch, unpreparedness for HD development...) all pretty much created the perfect storm that led to this gen being what it was.
The one noteworthy thing I saw was in response to someone who suggested NX launching in holiday 2016, which she said was "impossible". She's maintained that March should go as planned.
Aside from that she's mostly been posting opinions (e.g. regarding the recent Yves Guillemot comments) and is IIRC done talking about NX for the time being.
EDIT: I saw a few days prior she mentioned something about doing her best to get a date for the reveal, but "no promises". So presumably she's investigating that at the moment.
Also I'm of the opinion that Yves has been way too open mouthed for there to be an actual delay. It feels like he's very much been given the go-ahead as SE became so much more open with projects recently as well.
If there is a delay, I'd have to imagine it is utterly catastrophic and we'd be hearing of it sooner than later, and loudly.
If there is a delay, I'd have to imagine it is utterly catastrophic and we'd be hearing of it sooner than later, and loudly.
i don't think it was mismanagement as much as their corporate culture, which is very insular and conservative. sometimes it works great for them, other times not.
i can see how they came around to thinking Wii U was the next "eureka" moment after their last console found success with a similar formula (last gen power, current gen interface). just so happens they completely misread the market
DIdn't she say she was clamming up until to reveal?
This was a few weeks ago, IIRC. Another insider said something along those lines too, which made several people certain the reveal was eminent in early September.
Dark Cloud
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Did NateDrake ever make his video?
Or the Nintendo Ninjas caught up to her.
It's made, but I've been traveling since yesterday and don't have the laptop to upload video to YT.
Too bad DigiTimes is less reliable than Happy Nintendo Fan.
Dark Cloud
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Ahh I see.
Just hurry up. We're ready for you to tell us when the NX is being revealed
Get back in my basement.
MatthewB92
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What is your youtube name?
StickSoldier
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Ready to take my Nintendo console experiences on the go man, sounds fluxing awesome honestly. Gosh dudes, just realize how awesome their games are going to become (hopefully) with their resources being allocated to one system instead of trying to recreate the consoles games to the 3DS with lower quality. MANNN!!!. My mind is ready to be blown.. I'm just trying to be patient though, no point in wanting them to rush the system. I want them to be successful, so I feel that they need to make sure that this launch goes as perfect as it can, otherwise they're going to have another situation like they had with the Wii U and 3DS. Don't be upset with them because they want to ensure we all have great games to play and that they are putting themselves in the best position to succeed, SO they can give us more games we love. Be good Nintendo fans and just let them do what they need to do so that we hopefully have many more decades of their hardware and software!
Loving the positivity in this post!
On a related note, "be a good Nintendo fan" should be the slogan for NX 😂😂😂😂😂
There's no way it's going to be delayed. That's just too much of a fumble, and I don't think things could be going that badly behind the scenes.
But if it was delayed, I don't think I could even feign surprise. The only response would be "Of course" and an eyeroll.
...That doesn't make much sense, but that's the way it is.
Dark Cloud
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It's not delayed. People are antsy and anxious like you said and it leads to overthinking too much.
We all just need to relax. We come here every single day hoping for NX news (no weekends!).
NX is fine. Nintendo is going by their plan. Let's try our best to be patient for a couple more weeks. We've made it this far already-a few more weeks will fly by fast.
Would it be too much to think that Nintendo is preparing a few game presentations to show what the SCD can offer core console gamers?
1st impressions mean *everything* you know. Nintendo has this one chance with the NX reveal to "wow" western audiences, as well as developers who haven't been shown NX at all.
I know... pipe dream...
1st impressions mean *everything* you know. Nintendo has this one chance with the NX reveal to "wow" western audiences, as well as developers who haven't been shown NX at all.
I know... pipe dream...
I don't think the SCD is a launch product or anywhere near year 1 of NX so I doubt it.Would it be too much to think that Nintendo is preparing a few game presentations to show what the SCD can offer core console gamers?
1st impressions mean *everything* you know. Nintendo has this one chance with the NX reveal to "wow" western audiences, as well as developers who haven't been shown NX at all.
I know... pipe dream...
Also, people keep choosing to ignore that the 3DS is the most successful gaming system currently on the market. Nintendo's dead in the water because the Wii U only sold 12 million units!*
*The 3DS has sold 60 million units and has a bunch of highly successful software
And yet people in this thread keep saying that the 3DS' successor, the NX, will be a failure because the Wii U was a failure.
*The 3DS has sold 60 million units and has a bunch of highly successful software
And yet people in this thread keep saying that the 3DS' successor, the NX, will be a failure because the Wii U was a failure.
Valkyri von Thanatos
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I agree with you, but I have to point out that there've definitely been a few Nintendo cartoons and a Mario movie, no matter how lacking in quality it was it can't be denied
.But yeah, Nintendo got cocky and have been paying for it for a while. I really hope they get a break with the NX, but then again, if it's a big success they'll probably get too comfortable :/. Just worried about them getting entirely pushed out of hardware, which would be a huge blow to not just their own software but also the entire industry. So I guess I hope for a close third or second place, so they still have to improve to compete after launching the NX. Unfortunately I have little confidence in the NX at the moment.
Honestly, I don't want a 3DS successor right now, not until two things happen.
1. Dragon Quest XI is finished, released in Japan and then localized for the west (H2 2018 at the earliest).
2. Advance Wars 3D happens (come on Intelligent Sys!)
Unlike Wii U, the 3DS still has plenty of life left, largely thanks to Monster Hunter and Pokemon. DQXI will help even more in Japan.
1. Dragon Quest XI is finished, released in Japan and then localized for the west (H2 2018 at the earliest).
2. Advance Wars 3D happens (come on Intelligent Sys!)
Unlike Wii U, the 3DS still has plenty of life left, largely thanks to Monster Hunter and Pokemon. DQXI will help even more in Japan.
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