I have vitality health care through work and I assure you it covers pre existing conditions.
My old AXA cover didn't though.
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Senate takes major step towards repealing Obamacare
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My old AXA cover didn't though.
You have bad information.
Not only were you denied treatment for the preexisting conditions you could also be denied enrollment or placed in a highly costly pool.
NoblesseOblige
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GOP needs to realize they're not thinking strategically. With this change it means the side that's healthier will win. And what's the key to the healthiness of a species? Genetic diversity. Which is exactly what the inbred white folk on the right lack.
Intheflorsh
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RIP thousands of people
Not that it changes the inevitable (pre existing conditions coverage can't work without the mandate), but here is a little more info on what exactly this vote was. Keep in mind nothing is happening yet after these votes, other than setting the table for an eventual repeal vote.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/health-care-congress-vote-a-rama.html
titiklabingapat
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I hope the Democrats play this up until the Midterms. Republicans are literally killing people with this. Don't let up and let it be known relentlessly and the hope the public's punishment to the Republicans is quick, swift and devastating.
Dreams-Visions
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Remember this, "they're both the same" crowd.
exmachina64
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They won't.
Yeah OP's title is a bit misleading. Evil is "winning", it hasn't "won". That's... not much of a salve but. Let's hold onto what hope we can, I guess.
But she had a private email server
she was too close to Wall Street
she just didn't feel trustworthy
Yeah but in their defense, ACA is a huge pain to read. Like, someone once told me that was by design, and I didn't believe them then, but when reading that nonsense, like holy shit, maybe that person was on to something. It's the worst-written law I've ever read.
mercenar1e
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will Americans even take to the street? do they not give two fucks about what's going on?
TheSchwab_7
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Doubt it. Just complain on the internet and prepare to RIP in peace.
rockinreelin
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Federal law prohibits denying insurance for company purchased health insuranc even for those with pre-existing conditions. In the past though this was not the case for self purchased health insurance. This meant those freelancing/contractors with pre-existing conditions were almost always denied self purchased insurance. ACA changed that with the mandate and the insurance exchanges.
Ryzaki009
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I agree, would any mod like to change the title?
Spraypainting Hillary for Prison on a homemade sign on the side of the highway is easier than explaining how Senate committees draft laws.
There are protests but it takes a lot of time for these things to gain momentum and most Americans can't afford to lose the paycheck. And it really feels like our government doesn't listen. We need to vote better people into office into buying into scare tactics.
exmachina64
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On the contrary, half the country will cheer.
mercenar1e
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we should take the United out of the states and just make a new country.
Did you catch the piece on VOX where this lady's husband was awaiting a new liver and the only way they could afford it was through the ACA, but they voted Trump anyway?
This is a sporting event to some people, and they are going to root for their team even if it means their spouse dies.
No healthcare is the least of my worries. TBH I don't give a fuck if it is repealed. I don't want mandatory health insurance. I can't afford to pay $200 a month, and I didn't qualify for any benefits despite technically being in poverty and having mental illness. I was told by friends and fam that it was a state thing (Good Ol Texas). So while my feels go out to those who this effects, I would be lying if I said I wasn't relieved. About mandatory health insurance going away, at least. Everything else about Trump being elected is a fuck.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Both them and the right have fully shown at this point that there is literally nothing that will change their side. That crowd will ALWAYS spout that bullshit, and the right will ALWAYS accept literally anything Republican leadership will tell them.
I mean... instead of cheering for this solution... why not trying to fix it?
ErasureAcer
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I'm ok with Obamacare being gone.
Too many people can just barely afford the insurance let alone the actual deductibles/co-payments that are usually attached to them. It helps with catastrophic situations but those situations were still going to be dealt with regardless in many cases. So what do they get? The great feeling of helping others subsidize their health care cost? "Fuck them, I'm hurting economically here. I don't have the money to help others when I can't even help myself.", is what I've heard a lot.
Too many people can just barely afford the insurance let alone the actual deductibles/co-payments that are usually attached to them. It helps with catastrophic situations but those situations were still going to be dealt with regardless in many cases. So what do they get? The great feeling of helping others subsidize their health care cost? "Fuck them, I'm hurting economically here. I don't have the money to help others when I can't even help myself.", is what I've heard a lot.
SomewhatGroovy
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So you could get coverage through company purchased plans but were the operations and medical needs around pre existing conditions covered by the insurance? If you had a history of cancer, purchased a new insurance plan, would chemo be covered, for example?
It's still gone; they declined the amendment while rushing for a repeal without shit to replace it with. So the second they follow through with the repeal like they are obviously going to it will die.
I hesitate to even post, because this forum reacts negatively to anything that isn't 100% anti trump, but at the same time I still feel like this point should be made.
Trump doesn't want people to die in the street
Republicans do not want people to die in the street.
In fact if you take a look at the Mitch McConnell health draft which will most likely replace Obamacare, a major section of it is devoted to covering with pre-existing conditions.
Will everything work out perfectly? No, life's never that clear cut. but the answer is less black and white than a lot of you are making it.
Trump doesn't want people to die in the street
Republicans do not want people to die in the street.
In fact if you take a look at the Mitch McConnell health draft which will most likely replace Obamacare, a major section of it is devoted to covering with pre-existing conditions.
Will everything work out perfectly? No, life's never that clear cut. but the answer is less black and white than a lot of you are making it.
But don't you realize the "sorry for those it will hurt and kill but I am glad because it's good for me" attitude has a lot to do with why Trump got elected in the first place?
I'm happy that when I die from an embolism and my mom goes into a diabetic come because the mandatory medicine needed to live is way too expenisve when your on a fixed income that you get to save some money.
Obamacare isn't perfect, but losing this pre-existing coverage is bad.
We went over this years ago now. The free market doesn't work. They are effectively killing people.
Can I get a look at this draft? Thanks
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Repealing it without something else ready to go is irresponsible at best, and we know that while Trump's/republican's motivations for repealing ACA were mostly likely not to kill people, we also know that they are far from altruistic.
What are you trying to say
I have never seen anything that suggests this.
Republicans do not give a shit about the poor and middle class.
David H Wong
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The panic reactions are making it legitimately hard for people to actually figure out what is happening. I've got people on twitter who think they lost their health care coverage tonight.
At worst this is a years-long phaseout, but lots of these provisions (like pre-existing conditions) ARE supported by Republicans and are very popular with voters. They just didn't support those amendments in tonight's largely symbolic vote.
They haven't even begun the process of figuring out what the new system will look like. But this knee-jerk "Guess evil won, oh well" bullshit is so fucking obnoxious. No wonder they mock us as weak. "Trump talked to the president of Taiwan, guess this means WWIII will happen next month. Oh well." "Trump yelled at a CNN reporter, guess this means no more freedom of the press and now we live in a totalitarian police state."
Jesus, people. Apathy is bad but non-stop sensationalist panic is even worse.
At worst this is a years-long phaseout, but lots of these provisions (like pre-existing conditions) ARE supported by Republicans and are very popular with voters. They just didn't support those amendments in tonight's largely symbolic vote.
They haven't even begun the process of figuring out what the new system will look like. But this knee-jerk "Guess evil won, oh well" bullshit is so fucking obnoxious. No wonder they mock us as weak. "Trump talked to the president of Taiwan, guess this means WWIII will happen next month. Oh well." "Trump yelled at a CNN reporter, guess this means no more freedom of the press and now we live in a totalitarian police state."
Jesus, people. Apathy is bad but non-stop sensationalist panic is even worse.
ErasureAcer
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I think someone has listened to Unwell one too many times.
exmachina64
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High-risk health pools do not effectively cover people with pre-existing conditions. We've been there before, that was the system before the ACA. We don't have to wait with baited breath to see if the outcome is different this time.
Trump and Republicans can say they don't want people to die in the streets, but that is what will happen after they repeal the ACA. We already know they didn't have a viable alternative crafted during the Obama administration.
What people don't realize about health care in America is that the costs have been greatly increasing for years. We have evidence that the cost curve was bent after the ACA took effect, i.e. costs increased at a lower rate than they were increasing before.
People looked at the increasing costs they had to shoulder and complained because they wanted to go back to when their costs were lower. Everything we know about the plans Republicans and Trump have for replacing the ACA will not lower costs to what they were before the ACA and will not slow the increase of costs.
Your health plan will cover less, cost more, and the cost will increase at an increasing rate.
If you have a job that covers your health needs effectively and pays you well, you'll be happy. If you can afford whatever increased costs you face, you'll be happy. Many Americans are rightly dismayed because they will not be able to afford coverage under whatever system replaces the ACA.
They'll vote for him again.
Way too much of this recently. During the Sessions hearing on Tuesday morning I saw people here say we are going back to the 1920s and somebody suggested Sessions was going to reverse Brown v. Board of Education. No need for this level of panic.
ErasureAcer
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Like Trump has a plan? Oh LycanXIII.
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