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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia

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Apparently Dion still hasn't decided what he's doing next. I don't think he's being pushed out -- his goodbye letter is way too happy for that -- so my guess is that he decided over the holidays that he was just tired of politics for now.

And here are the official changes, from the PMO press release:

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Dion is a good policy wonk and doesn't back down from his positions when he knows he's right.

Dion's problem is that he is not a politician. Dion always has to be right.

In lies the Trump problem. If Dion would butt heads the wrong way versus Tillerson, Trump could easily plunge Canada into a Trade War.

Freeland however is more skilled in terms of dealing and negotiations. She works diagonally and can make things works. She spent lots of time in the US and is known.
She can spare us from the worst Trump has in store.

This is not about being ''right'' for being intellectually correct about winning arguments,
this about being ''right'' looking for Canada's best interests.

Dion was a good trooper marching the Clarity Act into Law and many other things but as Foreign Minister on the international stage, he was a liability not an asset.

His refusal of taking a Diplomatic job shows his side of always wanting to win arguments.

We are in serious times now with a fuck up 2017 internationally, it is not time to win intellectual arguments. It is time to keep Canada safe, strong, secure and thriving.

The interests of the country outweighs the argument of wanting to win when we know we are right
 

Tiktaalik

Member
Tabris you liar you said Trudeau would single handedly build the Broadway line!

Infrastructure Delays Keep Canada's Spending Lagging Behind Budget Plans

Actual Canadian government spending is lagging behind planned outlays, in part because of delays in implementing infrastructure projects, the nation's parliamentary watchdog said.

Total outlays for the fiscal year that began April 1 were up 3.7 percent from a year earlier to C$137 billion ($98 billion), the Parliamentary Budget Officer said in its Expenditure Monitor report, below the 5.6% spending increase that had been budgeted.

The report, which cited infrastructure spending that didn't materialize, adds to evidence that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's stimulus measures won't have the immediate benefits on the economy that policy makers -- including the Bank of Canada - - had initially assumed.

”As such, there is a growing risk that money the government originally expected to be spent in 2016-17 will be deferred to subsequent years," the budget office report said.

The BC Liberals are holding back critical funding and delaying all progress on transit expansion in BC, exactly as I said would happen.
 

lupinko

Member
Tabris you liar you said Trudeau would single handedly build the Broadway line!



The BC Liberals are holding back critical funding and delaying all progress on transit expansion in BC, exactly as I said would happen.

Just give BC another Olympics to force another Skytrain then.
 

Tapejara

Member
Happy New Year Canadian PoliGAF!

CBC posted an article about Freeland. She's apparently on Russia's sanctions list.

CBC said:
The door may be open in Washington to Canada's new foreign affairs minister, but it's closed — even barred shut — in Moscow.

And depending on whom you ask, it may stay that way.

Chrystia Freeland, who took over as Canada's top diplomat on Tuesday, is one of the prominent names on Russia's sanctions list.

According to the article it's expected that she'll be taken off the list. Very interesting choice in any case by the Liberal's considering the current allegations against Trump.
 
Happy New Year Canadian PoliGAF!

CBC posted an article about Freeland. She's apparently on Russia's sanctions list.



According to the article it's expected that she'll be taken off the list. Very interesting choice in any case by the Liberal's considering the current allegations against Trump.
She is on page with mainstream Canada's stance pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin.

IMO, it is a good thing that Canada stands with Western Europe instead of KGB Russia
 

CazTGG

Member
Happy New Year Canadian PoliGAF!

CBC posted an article about Freeland. She's apparently on Russia's sanctions list.



According to the article it's expected that she'll be taken off the list. Very interesting choice in any case by the Liberal's considering the current allegations against Drumpf.

Most of these choices were likely made under the assumption that Mr. Golden Showers was going to be president and thus they need to prepare for the Trumpocalypse whereas now, it's entirely possible for him to be put on trial for treason and/or impeached on Day 1. Freeland is a not-so-subtle dig at Russia's Comrade President. She's a good choice, as were most of the ones made.
 
Happy John A. Macdonald day, Canada. Let's celebrate our favorite genocidal white supremacist nazi. He's on our 10-dollar bill for another year, after all.

Il faut dire qu'au cours des dernières années, le bilan du tout premier titulaire du poste de premier ministre n'a cessé d'être gravement assombri et d'embarrasser l'ensemble des Canadiens. Après tout, Macdonald a aussi créé les réserves indiennes dans le but d'exterminer par la famine les Amérindiens des Prairies en vue de faciliter le passage du chemin de fer du Canadien Pacifique, comme l'a indéniablement établi l'historien James Daschuk en 2013. Le contrat de chemin de fer en question a d'ailleurs fait l'objet du plus gros scandale de corruption de l'histoire de ce pays, scandale qui, en 1873, poussa Macdonald et tout son gouvernement à la démission. Mais si ce n'était que cela...

L'an dernier à pareille date, le très maladroit communiqué de la ministre Joly sur Macdonald lui avait valu une volée de bois vert. C'est que la ministre avait invité les Canadiens « à en apprendre davantage sur sa vie et sa vision d'un pays qui valorisait la diversité, la démocratie et la liberté ». Or, l'histoire nous enseigne que Macdonald a plutôt prôné la suprématie raciale des Anglo-Saxons. À cet effet, il fit imposer en 1885 une lourde taxe d'entrée aux immigrants chinois et retira le droit de vote à tous les Canadiens « de race chinoise ou mongole », sans quoi « le caractère aryen de l'avenir de l'Amérique britannique serait détruit ».

Ses convictions racistes n'étaient pas récentes. Au début de sa carrière politique, John A. Macdonald, qui continuait à pratiquer le droit privé, se mit au service des Copperheads, faction du Parti démocrate américain qui regroupait les opposants à l'abolition de l'esclavage. Durant la guerre de Sécession (1861-1865), Macdonald, prenant la parole lors d'un banquet, insista pour rendre hommage à « la brave défense menée par la république sudiste ». Le remplacement de ce sinistre personnage sur notre monnaie par une pionnière des droits civiques des Noirs n'est donc qu'un juste retour des choses.

D'une minorité à l'autre, l'antipathie de Macdonald à l'égard des francophones n'était guère moindre, lui qui fut membre de la loge orangiste de Kingston dès l'âge de 25 ans. Après l'abolition des écoles françaises de la Nouvelle-Écosse en 1864, le Nouveau-Brunswick fit de même en 1871. Les Acadiens demandèrent aussitôt au premier ministre Macdonald d'intervenir, ce qu'il refusa de faire, prétextant qu'il s'agissait d'une compétence provinciale. Pourtant, entre 1867 et 1896, le gouvernement fédéral exerça 65 fois contre des lois provinciales son pouvoir de désaveu, fondé sur l'article 90 de la Constitution de 1867, pour des questions autrement moins fondamentales que les droits scolaires des Canadiens français.

De retour au pouvoir en 1873, Macdonald afficha la même indifférence complice envers les Acadiens de l'Île-du-Prince-Édouard, dont les écoles avaient été abolies l'année précédente. Il en fit de même au moment de l'abolition des écoles franco-manitobaines en 1890, même si le Conseil privé de Londres lui suggéra de voter une loi réparatrice.

Entrepris sous son règne, le saccage des écoles françaises du Canada s'est poursuivi après la mort de Macdonald, en Alberta et dans les Territoires du Nord-Ouest en 1892, en Saskatchewan en 1902 et en Ontario en 1912. Il faut savoir qu'encore aujourd'hui, les francophones de tout le « Rest of Canada » réclament pour leurs écoles surpeuplées et sous-financées l'égalité de traitement avec les écoles anglophones. Et que la mauvaise foi des gouvernements provinciaux concernés les mène généralement jusqu'en Cour suprême. D'où la folle envie des Canadiens de 2017 de parler d'autre chose.

Link to the full article on Le Devoir.

TL;DR
-John A Macdonald was a white supremacist who thought North American belonged to white anglo-saxons
-he tried to genocide the Native Americans
-he sympathized with the American confederates and worked as a lawyer for pro-slavery democrats
-he tried to purge the French language from Canada as best he legally could
 

Abelard

Member
The anti-establishment thing doesn't work when your party was in power for a decade just a year ago.

Yeah, any Westminster system is not as susceptible to populism or anti-establishment rhetoric as the American republic, which is why I can't imagine Kevin O'Leary accomplishing anything. He'd have to win a seat first, and he has not the patience nor the discipline to do that.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
L’an dernier à pareille date, le très maladroit communiqué de la ministre Joly sur Macdonald lui avait valu une volée de bois vert. C’est que la ministre avait invité les Canadiens « à en apprendre davantage sur sa vie et sa vision d’un pays qui valorisait la diversité, la démocratie et la liberté ».
Oooof. You done fucked up, Joly!
 

CazTGG

Member
Happy John A. Macdonald day, Canada. Let's celebrate our favorite genocidal white supremacist nazi. He's on our 10-dollar bill for another year, after all.



Link to the full article on Le Devoir.

TL;DR
-John A Macdonald was a white supremacist who thought North American belonged to white anglo-saxons
-he tried to genocide the Native Americans
-he sympathized with the American confederates and worked as a lawyer for pro-slavery democrats
-he tried to purge the French language from Canada as best he legally could

But you guys, muh cultural hurrituge!

I am so glad he's gotten the boot from the $10.
 
John A was a drunk and a asshole but to think we should wipe him from history is stubborn. Plus he had that amazing time he vomited on stage during a debate I recall.

Alexander Mackenzie shouldve won a second term tho im no expert on em
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
Happy John A. Macdonald day, Canada. Let's celebrate our favorite genocidal white supremacist nazi. He's on our 10-dollar bill for another year, after all.



Link to the full article on Le Devoir.

TL;DR
-John A Macdonald was a white supremacist who thought North American belonged to white anglo-saxons
-he tried to genocide the Native Americans
-he sympathized with the American confederates and worked as a lawyer for pro-slavery democrats
-he tried to purge the French language from Canada as best he legally could

B-b-but railways!
 

Tapejara

Member
She is on page with mainstream Canada's stance pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin.

IMO, it is a good thing that Canada stands with Western Europe instead of KGB Russia

Most of these choices were likely made under the assumption that Mr. Golden Showers was going to be president and thus they need to prepare for the Trumpocalypse whereas now, it's entirely possible for him to be put on trial for treason and/or impeached on Day 1. Freeland is a not-so-subtle dig at Russia's Comrade President. She's a good choice, as were most of the ones made.

Agreed with both of you.
 
That doesn't add up. Why would they say no to "free money"?

Provincial Governments aren't exactly known for being the most intelligent. They believe that they have a leg-up on the federal government that allows them to sit back and blame all of their problems on the Federal for not giving them more to work with.
 

CazTGG

Member
John A was a drunk and a asshole but to think we should wipe him from history is stubborn. Plus he had that amazing time he vomited on stage during a debate I recall.

Alexander Mackenzie shouldve won a second term tho im no expert on em

No one's suggesting he should be ignored when it comes to Canadian history. Aspects of that history should be condemned (the abhorrent treatment of Chinese workers, beginning the long mistreatment of the indigenous by Parliament, the blatant white supremacy, etc.) instead of the massive whitewashing of him that's gone on for decades which paint him as "the father of Canada" with only slight missteps like the railway. If you're referring to the removal of him from the $10 bill, that has more to do with addressing the gender balance than MacDonald being the awful person he truly was. If there was any part that i'd wish to have us abandon as a whole, quite frankly i'd remove the Queen from all Canadian currency and from any mention when it comes to ceremonies (I had forgotten that any cabinet position had to pledge to the queen so yesterday was quite a surprise) as she's a symbol of imperialism and colonialism. Say what you will about how Viola Desmond being put on the $10 bill doesn't address the systemic racism that she fought against, what she fought for has greater value and symbolism than Elizabeth ever has or will.


Justin doesn't like TVs and movies.
 

Farooq

Banned
Happy John A. Macdonald day, Canada. Let's celebrate our favorite genocidal white supremacist nazi. He's on our 10-dollar bill for another year, after all.



Link to the full article on Le Devoir.

TL;DR
-John A Macdonald was a white supremacist who thought North American belonged to white anglo-saxons
-he tried to genocide the Native Americans
-he sympathized with the American confederates and worked as a lawyer for pro-slavery democrats
-he tried to purge the French language from Canada as best he legally could

I feel embarrassed that I did not know any of this. I want to blame TDSB and their curriculum because it is easier to put the blame on them.
 

maharg

idspispopd
I feel embarrassed that I did not know any of this. I want to blame TDSB and their curriculum, because it is easier to put the blame on them.

All Canadian school curriculums really aggressively hide negative things about our history. It's one of the reasons people think we have a "boring" history.
 

CazTGG

Member
All Canadian school curriculums really aggressively hide negative things about our history. It's one of the reasons people think we have a "boring" history.

Probably anecdotal, but my TCDSB high school teacher went all in on the horrible stuff in Canadian history and in great detail no less i.e. the treatment of railroad workers, the Chinese Head Tax & Immigration Act of 1923, the Ukrainian internment camps during WWI, Japanese interment in WWII and laws that forbid land ownership until 1949, residential schools, the FLQ bombings and use of the War Measures Act during peace times, as well as several other blemishes on our history and the people who shaped it. Obviously, they never got into the pre-Confederation portions of Canada's history like the slavery in New France (the land that would eventually transform into Quebec) or how fleeing slaves during the time of the Underground Railroad were treated as nothing but cheap labour but they were pretty thorough in covering the many missteps we've made over the past decades over the course of a semester.
 
Probably anecdotal, but my TCDSB high school teacher went all in on the horrible stuff in Canadian history and in great detail no less i.e. the treatment of railroad workers, the Chinese Head Tax & Immigration Act of 1923, the Ukrainian internment camps during WWI, Japanese interment in WWII and laws that forbid land ownership until 1949, residential schools, the FLQ bombings and use of the War Measures Act during peace times, as well as several other blemishes on our history. Obviously, they never got into the pre-Confederation portions of Canada's history like the slavery in New France (the land that would eventually transform into Quebec) or how fleeing slaves during the time of the Underground Railroad were treated as nothing but cheap labour but they were pretty thorough in covering the many missteps we've made over the past decades over the course of a semester.

At my GECDSB High School we personally went through the treatment of railway workers, the internment camps during the World Wars, the FLQ Crisis and the use of the War Measures Act. Then again, my teacher was a super fun history buff.

Actually, it got weird a couple years ago in college because I was playing Cards Against Humanity with some friends of mine (bunch of people from Toronto and one from Windsor along with me) and I had a perfect card combination which utilised the FLQ Crisis that was a surefire to win... and everybody at the table but me just drew a complete blank and were genuinely confused to the point that I had to up and explain what it was.
 

Sean C

Member
Yeah, we covered most of that in school.

To the extent that younger people don't know this stuff, I'd say that's more a matter of general lack of interest in history.
 
All Canadian school curriculums really aggressively hide negative things about our history. It's one of the reasons people think we have a "boring" history.
this is true,
true on abuses on aboriginals.
the fact that black slavery is completely never mentionned.
WW2 internment camps are baerly mentionned, the reason we know about it is because Americans did it too.
WW2 Italian-Canadian internment camp is never talked about.
 

Tiktaalik

Member
That doesn't add up. Why would they say no to "free money"?

For a very long time the arrangement for funding big capital projects has been that each government, federal, provincial and municipal funds one third the cost. This is inherently unfair to municipal governments because they in no way have the same ability to raise revenue as federal and provincial governments. The fact that Metro Vancouver could in no way afford their 1/3 is why they asked the Province of BC to give them the ability to add a 0.5% sales tax. The BC Liberals are ideologically opposed to any increase in taxation, so they put this to a referendum where it failed.

Now in comes the new Liberal Federal government. They somewhat acknowledged the issue here and opted to increase their share to 50%. The BC government held their share at one third so Metro Vancouver now has to come up with less money, but they still have to come up with quite a bit. Metro Vancouver did agree on a plan and they've sent it to the province to approve, however at issue here is the fact that even with property tax increases, fare increases and the selling off of assets, Metro Vancouver can still not afford their share. They're asking the BC government to give them the ability to add a development levy for transit. The BC government would need to enact legislation to do this and it is not clear at all that the BC Liberals are in favour of this idea. Meanwhile there is an upcoming election in Spring so it's likely that none of this happens until there is a new government. Meanwhile there has still been no expansion of transit in Vancouver and certainly no shovels in the ground.

Adding on top of this the BC Liberals seem vaguely idiologically opposed to transit in general so this issue isn't really a priority for them at all.

TL,DR:

Pretty much the main brand of the BC Liberals is that they never increase taxes ever and this has been an incredible roadblock to everything. There is simply not enough money available to get this thing done, even with the increase in funds from the Federal Government.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
Probably anecdotal, but my TCDSB high school teacher went all in on the horrible stuff in Canadian history and in great detail no less i.e. the treatment of railroad workers, the Chinese Head Tax & Immigration Act of 1923, the Ukrainian internment camps during WWI, Japanese interment in WWII and laws that forbid land ownership until 1949, residential schools, the FLQ bombings and use of the War Measures Act during peace times, as well as several other blemishes on our history and the people who shaped it. Obviously, they never got into the pre-Confederation portions of Canada's history like the slavery in New France (the land that would eventually transform into Quebec) or how fleeing slaves during the time of the Underground Railroad were treated as nothing but cheap labour but they were pretty thorough in covering the many missteps we've made over the past decades over the course of a semester.
My TDSB HS teacher was the same because he was a 50 y/o hippy that loved to start shit. His class was a lot of fun.
 

CazTGG

Member
Good news for those waiting on electoral reform: Karina Gould has, at least since June of 2016, expressed interest in the subject: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicat...Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1&DocId=8323722

Karina Gould said:
I strongly believe that stepping away from the first past the post system and embracing a new system that can reflect these values and the values articulated in this amended motion would be another milestone in the history of Canada's elections. I suspect future generations will look back at the reforms proposed in this motion and reflect on them, as I have done today with past reforms. I suspect they will note this is yet another example of how our electoral system has evolved to further increase the inclusion of all peoples, to better reflect the will of voters and the representation of the House, and to work toward a system that produces a House that looks more and more like the faces of Canadians.

Maybe it's not dead in the water like we think it is.
 
Good news for those waiting on electoral reform: Karina Gould has, at least since June of 2016, expressed interest in the subject: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicat...Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1&DocId=8323722



Maybe it's not dead in the water like we think it is.

On the other hand Trudeau tells Kingston town hall he favoured ranked ballot system
Thursday, January 12th, 2017
KINGSTON, Ont. – Prime Minister Justin Trudeau reminded dozens of people at a town hall meeting on Thursday that he favoured a ranked ballot system in the past, even though his government insists it has an open mind about how to change the electoral system.

Granted he is using past-tense, but there is no indication his opinions have changed
 

SRG01

Member
There was a bit of kerfuffle today concerning Trudeau's statements on phasing out the oilsands. Even though I'm an Albertan, I don't see anything controversial about the statement. It's fast becoming an unsustainable sector -- high extraction costs, etc -- to the point where subsidizing its viability is simply not feasible in the 21st century.

The part that really astounds me is that rebounding oil prices may help Alberta a bit, but shale oil will rebound faster than the oil sands -- leading to the so-called bitumen bubble all over again.
 
Good news for those waiting on electoral reform: Karina Gould has, at least since June of 2016, expressed interest in the subject: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicat...Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1&DocId=8323722



Maybe it's not dead in the water like we think it is.

On the other hand Trudeau tells Kingston town hall he favoured ranked ballot system


Granted he is using past-tense, but there is no indication his opinions have changed

Ranked Ballots would be the death nail for the Conservatives, I hope this happens
 
So who do we blame for our terrible Canadian dollar still? Harper?

I wanted a Switch so bad ��

Usually the metric is that you can blame the Economy on the guy who was in charge up until the last term of Parliament. So Harper's the boogieman until the next election, at which point it becomes Trudeau's fault if it hasn't improved
 

Tiktaalik

Member
Ranked Ballots would be the death nail for the Conservatives, I hope this happens

Lol this won't happen.

Look at the example of Australia. Ranked ballots entrench large parties and a two party system.

It's incredibly naïve to believe that the Conservative party can be kept out of power via some electoral gimmick.
 
I don't think Trudeau is interested in improving the dollar situation even if he had more control over it. It benefits exports including manufacturing, has somewhat softened the blow of low oil prices on the energy sector, and is generally good for a slumping economy.

Personally, I blame Mr. Poloz.
 

Zips

Member
Ranked Ballots would be the death nail for the Conservatives, I hope this happens

Liberals would benefit most as the Centre party, but Conservatives would still be strong. They would get ranked #2 by all the right-leaning centrists, and #1 by all the regular right-wingers. NDP and Liberals would be fighting for people's #1 picks.
 

lacinius

Member
There was a bit of kerfuffle today concerning Trudeau's statements on phasing out the oilsands. Even though I'm an Albertan, I don't see anything controversial about the statement. It's fast becoming an unsustainable sector -- high extraction costs, etc -- to the point where subsidizing its viability is simply not feasible in the 21st century.

The part that really astounds me is that rebounding oil prices may help Alberta a bit, but shale oil will rebound faster than the oil sands -- leading to the so-called bitumen bubble all over again.


It's worth remembering Harper already committed Canada to the June 2015 G7 agreement to end the use of fossil fuels by 2100. Or another way to put that is fossil fuels need to be phased out by 2100.

Canada commits to G7 plan to end use of fossil fuels
 

Azzanadra

Member
Liberals would benefit most as the Centre party, but Conservatives would still be strong. They would get ranked #2 by all the right-leaning centrists, and #1 by all the regular right-wingers. NDP and Liberals would be fighting for people's #1 picks.

The only people I can think of who have their top 2 spots as NDP and Tories are some of the elderly, either those close to or in retirement. This is purely anecdotal of course, I only noticed this trend when canvassing for the Liberals in 2015... and also, I expect this sort of combination to continue if the "evil Liberal party elite establishment" narrative continues, think the people who went from Bernie Sanders to Trump or vice versa.
 

Tiktaalik

Member
a Progressive Conserviative government... a different party from what is this new Conserviatve party who can never and will never recreate Mulroney's breakthrough

At this point this distinction is just being pedantic. For most people it's the left team and the right team. And when one team fucks up they'll vote for the other.
 

Mr.Mike

Member
I would prefer a system that encourages more, smaller parties that then have to work together to do things. Because right now a lot of people are voting for parties where they like some stuff and some people but not other stuff. Maybe the most extreme example is Libertarians and Social Conservatives sharing the CPC, and on the other side maybe Communists and Social Democrats. Ideally we might have all manner of permutations so that everyone is able to vote for a party that matches their politics as best as possible.
 

UberTag

Member
blame OPEC
This is the correct answer. The numbers bear that out.

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It is interesting to see the dollar trend deviate slightly from the recent spikes in oil prices after being inextricably joined at the hip for the majority of 2016 but I'm attributing that largely to uncertainty over Trump's impending administration and it's not like the dollar has tanked or anything.
 
The only people I can think of who have their top 2 spots as NDP and Tories are some of the elderly, either those close to or in retirement. This is purely anecdotal of course, I only noticed this trend when canvassing for the Liberals in 2015... and also, I expect this sort of combination to continue if the "evil Liberal party elite establishment" narrative continues, think the people who went from Bernie Sanders to Trump or vice versa.

There's more overlap -- at least historically -- between the NDP and the Conservatives/Reform Party than you'd expect. Places like Saskatchewan and the BC interior used to be extremely fertile ground for the NDP. Now those are some of the most Conservative areas in Canada. A lot of people forget that it wasn't just the PC Party who got wiped out in 1993, it was also the NDP, going from 43 seats to 9.

The link is anti-government/anti-establishment populism. It's not as dominant in the NDP anymore because Jack Layton made a conscious effort to take them in another direction (his main rival for leadership was a prairie populist named Bill Blaikie, who would've taken them in a very different direction), but it's not unreasonable to believe that under the right kind of leader, they could again become the second choice for a specific type of Conservative voter.
 
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