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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia

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A former vets ombudsman is now thinking of entering the federal NDP leadership race.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/stogran-ndp-leadership-1.4024617

I hope he's not another Mulcair, but I do think he will prevent the NDP from moving to far to the left if he became leader of the party.

he sounds like The Life of The Party
sarcasm
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3 out of 4 candidates from last week's debate had semingly some sense of humour that felt 'human'

but this guy? LOL
 

UberTag

Member
Reminder: There are only two weeks left to become a member of the CPC and vote in the leadership/stop Kellie Leitch & Kevin O'Leary: http://www.conservative.ca/leadership/en
Any word on how the voting for this will work on the 27th of May?

(i.e. Now that we have received our shiny new CPC membership cards in the mail, how will we go about submitting our ranked ballots that have Leitch, O'Leary - and preferably Bernier - as basement dwellers?)
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Any word on how the voting for this will work on the 27th of May?

(i.e. Now that we have received our shiny new CPC membership cards in the mail, how will we go about submitting our ranked ballots that have Leitch, O'Leary - and preferably Bernier - as basement dwellers?)
Chong's campaign told me that the party will mail a ballot out to each memeber.
 

Dr.Acula

Banned
I really don't like the idea of giving the Tories money in order to implement a "pied piper" strategy as a way to avoid what just happened in the US. I mean, shit.
 
A former vets ombudsman is now thinking of entering the federal NDP leadership race.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/stogran-ndp-leadership-1.4024617

I hope he's not another Mulcair, but I do think he will prevent the NDP from moving to far to the left if he became leader of the party.

So... Here's this guy's website. I'm not saying he's a crazy person, but when was the last time you heard of someone in full possession of their faculties using Comic Sans?

I really don't like the idea of giving the Tories money in order to implement a "pied piper" strategy as a way to avoid what just happened in the US. I mean, shit.

If it makes you feel any better, according to the party's executive director, the cost of a membership is entirely offset by the cost of processing the membership. Elections Canada doesn't even count buying a membership as a donation, so he's likely telling the truth on that.

Any word on how the voting for this will work on the 27th of May?

(i.e. Now that we have received our shiny new CPC membership cards in the mail, how will we go about submitting our ranked ballots that have Leitch, O'Leary - and preferably Bernier - as basement dwellers?)

They'll mail you your ballot shortly before the election date. You'll then have a week to mail it in, unless you decide to go to the convention and cast your vote in person. You only rank up to your top ten candidates, so you don't even need to include Leitch, O'Leary or Bernier if you don't want to.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
I really don't like the idea of giving the Tories money in order to implement a "pied piper" strategy as a way to avoid what just happened in the US. I mean, shit.

Same. I mean either it won't be much money and in which case the voted won't make a difference, or it'll make a marginal difference but they'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
 

Sean C

Member
In PEI politics news, the Green Party's boomlet of support continues provincially -- they're currently in second place, at 26% (the Liberals are in first with 48%), and the Green leader, Peter Bevan-Baker, is in first place in terms of leadership preference with 34%. It's a bit more than two years until the next election, so plenty of time for this to prove a temporary fad, but they surely like what they see for the moment.
 
Quebec's transport minister is in the eye of a media storm for bungling the handling of yesterday's storm.

for good reason LOL, ''derp, uh we didn't get an emergency call for the 13 North?'' meanwhile people were stranded in their cars for 5 to 10 hours before help arrived.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...-hundreds-stranded-on-highway-13-during-storm

A clearly unhappy Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre says he intends to get to the bottom of how 300 vehicles— and their occupants — were stuck on the lanes of southbound Highway 13 for close to 14 hours Tuesday night and into Wednesday afternoon between the Trans-Canada highway and Highway 20.
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has any of the Conservative candidates spoken about Foreign Affairs?

i hate their 14 candidate format; muddies the waters for knowing who is for what.

I really want to know where Leitch, Bernier, O'leary, O'toole and Sheere stand on Foreign Affairs.
 

CazTGG

Member
Speaking of this, got my card for the garbage party and ready to vote!

Won't even be putting Leitch, O'Leary or Bernier on my ballot. 😤

Speaking of O'Leary, he's apparently going to run as the MP for Dufferin-Caledon. https://theribbon.net/2017/03/13/ke...un-for-mp-in-dufferin-caledon/comment-page-1/

So much for being done with him after this catastrophic leadership season. O'Leary has yet to comment about this so there's a chance this is incorrect and he'll go back to Boston to praise Trump like he seems keen on doing regardless of whether he wins or not.
 

Sean C

Member
So much for being done with him after this catastrophic leadership season. O'Leary has yet to comment about this so there's a chance this is incorrect and he'll go back to Boston to praise Trump like he seems keen on doing regardless of whether he wins or not.
There's no way O'Leary actually runs for Parliament if he doesn't win the leadership. Floating the notion of an electoral run is more likely him trying to establish that he's serious.
 

the PQ are happy to have her out of the caucus, Lisée hates her (she's not a team player, something something)

she's hardline too, I doubt she can pick up more than whatever Gilles ever got

Speaking of O'Leary, he's apparently going to run as the MP for Dufferin-Caledon. https://theribbon.net/2017/03/13/ke...un-for-mp-in-dufferin-caledon/comment-page-1/

So much for being done with him after this catastrophic leadership season. O'Leary has yet to comment about this so there's a chance this is incorrect and he'll go back to Boston to praise Trump like he seems keen on doing regardless of whether he wins or not.

LOL, why chose a riding with an inumbent of the same party?

if he had balls, he would chose a riding that is not occupied by a Tory.

Hell, Justin Trudeau picked a more difficult riding that had an incumbent Bloc head.
 
has any of the Conservative candidates spoken about Foreign Affairs?

i hate their 14 candidate format; muddies the waters for knowing who is for what.

I really want to know where Leitch, Bernier, O'leary, O'toole and Sheere stand on Foreign Affairs.

Most of them don't have an opinion one way or another. Bernier, as you'd expect from a hardcore libertarian, is staunchly anti-interventionist. O'Leary has made noises in favour of peacekeeping, though he managed to completely insult the military in the process of saying that. Erin O'Toole plays up his military background and is in favour of funding it more in the context of Canada's place in NATO. Scheer is vaguely in favour of fighting Daesh. Kellie Leitch is scared of non-white people, which presumably extends to how she feels about other countries. And that's about it.

In general, foreign policy is probably the most overlooked policy area in Canadian politics. Canadians will vaguely say that they care about Canada's place in the world, and you'll get the odd person who cares deeply about Israel & Palestine or China or Russia, but generally, it's not on the public's radar.

Apparently I missed some story about a Minister having a grandfather who was working for the Nazis in the Ukraine?

Here's a good rundown of it. It's part of a Russian smear campaign against her.


In NDP leadership campaign news, they now have their own accusations of racism. First Niki Ashton tweeted this a few days ago:

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BLM Vancouver, naturally, couldn't let this stand:


So while the Conservative leadership candidates see who dogwhistle the loudest, the NDP is getting caught up in whether it's appropriate for a white woman to quote Beyonce.
 

Sean C

Member
Between this and BLM Toronto, are the Canadian branches of BLM all this dumb?

Also, for the record, most of the people who wrote "Irreplaceable" are Norwegian, so whitey can claim a share of it anyway.
 
In NDP leadership campaign news, they now have their own accusations of racism. First Niki Ashton tweeted this a few days ago:


BLM Vancouver, naturally, couldn't let this stand:

So while the Conservative leadership candidates see who dogwhistle the loudest, the NDP is getting caught up in whether it's appropriate for a white woman to quote Beyonce.

OMG, there was nothing wrong with her first tweet. It was clever and made her positionning clear for her leadership race.

I understand that touchynes about cultural appropriation but this was not it.
She was just quoating a famous pop singer.
 

Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
She is embarassing and she'd be a disaster, the NDP would decline to single-digit territory with her at the helm...

Find someone who looks at you the way Niki Ashton looks at BLM.
 

CazTGG

Member
In NDP leadership campaign news, they now have their own accusations of racism. First Niki Ashton tweeted this a few days ago:



BLM Vancouver, naturally, couldn't let this stand:



So while the Conservative leadership candidates see who dogwhistle the loudest, the NDP is getting caught up in whether it's appropriate for a white woman to quote Beyonce.

I...don't see what the issue is. Would they rather people bow to Elizabeth as opposed to Bey?
 

djkimothy

Member
Thanks for the laugh lol. Definitely can't look at her the same after Elbowgate. Just absolutely embarrassing.

Clearly I wasn't paying hard enough attention during elbow gate but what was her involvement? Did she just push the issue too far? I though Trudeau apologized many times publicly?
 

Pedrito

Member
Clearly I wasn't paying hard enough attention during elbow gate but what was her involvement? Did she just push the issue too far? I though Trudeau apologized many times publicly?

By the time the dust settled, NDP MP Niki Ashton characterized the elbowing as "the furthest thing from a feminist act," and reason for any woman who sits in the Commons to feel "unsafe and deeply troubled."

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2016/05/20/news/does-elbowgate-hysteria-undermine-feminism
 

imBask

Banned
Honestly, that apology tweet is enough to tell me she's completely spineless

also the irony of using "UNAPOLOGETIC" and immediatly apologising is pretty good
 

Apathy

Member
Most of them don't have an opinion one way or another. Bernier, as you'd expect from a hardcore libertarian, is staunchly anti-interventionist. O'Leary has made noises in favour of peacekeeping, though he managed to completely insult the military in the process of saying that. Erin O'Toole plays up his military background and is in favour of funding it more in the context of Canada's place in NATO. Scheer is vaguely in favour of fighting Daesh. Kellie Leitch is scared of non-white people, which presumably extends to how she feels about other countries. And that's about it.

In general, foreign policy is probably the most overlooked policy area in Canadian politics. Canadians will vaguely say that they care about Canada's place in the world, and you'll get the odd person who cares deeply about Israel & Palestine or China or Russia, but generally, it's not on the public's radar.



Here's a good rundown of it. It's part of a Russian smear campaign against her.


In NDP leadership campaign news, they now have their own accusations of racism. First Niki Ashton tweeted this a few days ago:



BLM Vancouver, naturally, couldn't let this stand:



So while the Conservative leadership candidates see who dogwhistle the loudest, the NDP is getting caught up in whether it's appropriate for a white woman to quote Beyonce.

Dumbest outrage I've seen in a while from blm Vancouver and even dumber from Niki to apologize for that and remove it.

This kinda kills her run. It's just a tweet I know, but it has so much going against her and going to paint her as everything you don't want in a leader of a party let alone a country.
 

CazTGG

Member
Yah... ok. That's just bad.

I recall the events leading up to the incident. Mulcaire and co actively blocking an MP from a vote? and then makes a stink of something he precipitated. I lost hope the NDP would get their shit together from after the election.

It's worth noting that the Conservative Party of Canada was even worse when it came to #elbowgate, with one MP going so far as to call what Justin did "molestation" because they're desperate to end Trudeaumania 2.0 by any means necessary and can't seem to find a sticking point.
 
I would have thought she was referencing a military step, but I'm not with it.

I'm so glad I wasn't the only person who thought this at first.

This kinda kills her run. It's just a tweet I know, but it has so much going against her and going to paint her as everything you don't want in a leader of a party let alone a country.

I wouldn't be sure it kills her run for leader. I was talking with some hardcore NDPers yesterday -- one working on her campaign, another working on a rival campaign. The rival campaign guy was gleeful, since he was trumpeting it as a win for Charlie Angus, since it makes her look insensitive on racial issues. Meanwhile, the Ashton guy was concerned about it (he thought it was problematic that they used a Beyonce lyric), but also happy with how they handled it because he thought it showed how sensitive she was to minority concerns.

Obviously, these are just two people, and in no way a representative sample of the party as a whole...but they're not totally unrepresentative of party membership, either. Just like all the CPC candidates are making all those appeals to white nationalists because they make up a significant bloc of CPC voters, I think there's a fair number of NDP members who care *deeply* about this sort of thing.

(Side note: I would make a terrible NDPer.)
 
heads goign to roll on the aftermath of mishandling of the snow storm.
911 operators hanging up on people, Qc Transport Minister snapping at journalists asking poignant questions after spending an entire night disconnected from reality, complete lack of communication between municipal and provincial police and the Transport Ministry. Toeing fees!!!

praise goes to Firefighters who took the initiative to bring rescue buses onto the highway to rescue 300 drivers stranded on the highway for over 13 hours.

Transport Ministry only woke up the next morning going derp derp what?

I usually don't paraphrase form TVA but Luc Lavoie had a good point ''we spend years of paying taxes for contingency plans to be prepared for that day; well that day happened and they weren't prepared.'' then making parallels on the bungling of the 98 Ice Storm.

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http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/couillar...ation-into-hwy-13-snowstorm-debacle-1.3327322

Premier Couillard launches external investigation into Hwy. 13 snowstorm debacle
 

Apathy

Member
I'm so glad I wasn't the only person who thought this at first.



I wouldn't be sure it kills her run for leader. I was talking with some hardcore NDPers yesterday -- one working on her campaign, another working on a rival campaign. The rival campaign guy was gleeful, since he was trumpeting it as a win for Charlie Angus, since it makes her look insensitive on racial issues. Meanwhile, the Ashton guy was concerned about it (he thought it was problematic that they used a Beyonce lyric), but also happy with how they handled it because he thought it showed how sensitive she was to minority concerns.

Obviously, these are just two people, and in no way a representative sample of the party as a whole...but they're not totally unrepresentative of party membership, either. Just like all the CPC candidates are making all those appeals to white nationalists because they make up a significant bloc of CPC voters, I think there's a fair number of NDP members who care *deeply* about this sort of thing.

(Side note: I would make a terrible NDPer.)

While you're probably right regarding NDP voters, like you have to have to do some serious mental gymnastics to believe the initial post of lyrics (which was actually quite clever) is somehow insensitive and misappropriation. Like if NDPers think that and like that she apologize for something like that, they need not wonder why they will never get into power.

Theres a lot of things you can call white people out on, and some they actually deserve (such as say the past and current treatment of indigenous people for instance), but not for lyrics of a song. Just goes to show how dumb the BLM chapters in Canada are
 

maharg

idspispopd
ITT: an entire page of people getting upset over a 2 post exchange and deletion that almost no one will ever see, accusing the people involved of being overly sensitive.
 

gabbo

Member
While you're probably right regarding NDP voters, like you have to have to do some serious mental gymnastics to believe the initial post of lyrics (which was actually quite clever) is somehow insensitive and misappropriation. Like if NDPers think that and like that she apologize for something like that, they need not wonder why they will never get into power.

Theres a lot of things you can call white people out on, and some they actually deserve (such as say the past and current treatment of indigenous people for instance), but not for lyrics of a song. Just goes to show how dumb the BLM chapters in Canada are

Not all NDP voters want her to bow to BLM just because they tried to call BS on using Beyonce lyrics. I would hope she isn't just doing so to preemptively stop what she sees as some kind of race debacle if she doesn't. I'm not pulling for her, but I'd hope she'd be smart enough not to do this for every little thing.
 

maharg

idspispopd
lol. Every time BLM comes up this thread turns into a hissy fit. It's more like a circle jerk over how much people think they're stupid than a discussion.
 
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