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[Pachimari]

Finished the show and it was great. Better than Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, worse than both seasons of Daredevil. I hope we get a second season where the actors get more preparation time, a bit higher budget for K'un Lun and flashback scenes to Shao-Lao, and much more training in the arts of martial arts. A new director and writer too.

Anyway I really enjoyed it and I feel for K'un Lun. He wasn't there to protect him when he should have been. Ward Meachum is my favorite in this show and I'm so glad he and Danny are gonna lead the company. Too bad Joy has gone insane, she was dumb anyway.

And Finn Jones is the perfect Danny Rand. Love him.

 

[Kaelan]

Finished the show and it was great. Better than Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, worse than both seasons of Daredevil. I hope we get a second season where the actors get more preparation time, a bit higher budget for K'un Lun and flashback scenes to Shao-Lao, and much more training in the arts of martial arts. A new director and writer too.

Anyway I really enjoyed it and I feel for K'un Lun. He wasn't there to protect him when he should have been. Ward Meachum is my favorite in this show and I'm so glad he and Danny are gonna lead the company. Too bad Joy has gone insane, she was dumb anyway.

And Finn Jones is the perfect Danny Rand. Love him.

I kind of don't understand why Joy isn't leading the company w/ Ward and Danny. Also why does Ward all of a sudden like Danny? seems odd to me lol

 

[richiek]

I kind of don't understand why Joy isn't leading the company w/ Ward and Danny. Also why does Ward all of a sudden like Danny? seems odd to me lol

Joy's final scene was just a headscratcher. She never showed any feelings of hate towards Danny and out of the blue she's scheming with Davos to kill him???

 

[Kaelan]

Joy's final scene was just a headscratcher. She never showed any feelings of hate towards Danny and out of the blue she's scheming with Davos to kill him???

And more head scratching: Davos is telling danny how they need to get back, this world sucks, etc. So danny ends up going back (though nothings there), while davos stays behind?? I thought he hated this world and wanted to get back as quick as possible. Why would he waste time just scheming with Joy to kill danny

 

[Pachimari]

And more head scratching: Davos is telling danny how they need to get back, this world sucks, etc. So danny ends up going back (though nothings there), while davos stays behind?? I thought he hated this world and wanted to get back as quick as possible. Why would he waste time just scheming with Joy to kill danny

He wants to get rid of Danny so he can take up the challenge of Shaw-Lao and become the Iron Fist that he has always wanted to be. As to why Joy is even remotely interested in plotting a murder on Danny Rand I have no idea. Maybe she feel like Danny helped Ward getting rid of her father, but then again, she did see how Harold was lying to her all the time.

 

[Kaelan]

He wants to get rid of Danny so he can take up the challenge of Shaw-Lao and become the Iron Fist that he has always wanted to be. As to why Joy is even remotely interested in plotting a murder on Danny Rand I have no idea. Maybe she feel like Danny helped Ward getting rid of her father, but then again, she did see how Harold was lying to her all the time.

I can see why they would set that up, it's just they didn't provide enough context. Like why is Kun Lun gone at the end? Because danny was gone and the hand invaded? And why did his fist glow at the end - was he just mad? Like its confusing

 

[Pachimari]

I can see why they would set that up, it's just they didn't provide enough context. Like why is Kun Lun gone at the end? Because danny was gone and the hand invaded? And why did his fist glow at the end - was he just mad? Like its confusing

I actually liked that part. It was mysterious and made me anticipate a second season. The part with Davos, Joy and Gao was dumb though.

 

[Kakaroach]

Man this show ended up being all over the damn place. Most def my least favorite Marvel Netflix series so far, but I haven't watched Jessica Jones. It's a pity too because I think the Iron Fist character is pretty dope.

My main complaint is how hard things are to follow. All of the constant bullshit of Gao, Harold, and Bakuto really make the story rough to follow.

I'll still probably end up watching season 2, but man that was rough.

 

[dancingphlower]

Just finished the season the other night, and it's a mess. The lack of a compelling antagonist is probably my biggest pet peeve. The plot felt all over the place as a result. Did not really like the characterization of Danny either, he came off as incredibly annoying, and he was extremely unconvincing as a martial artist. I'm not really a fan of the changes they made with Davos either, and the actor wasn't really the best choice. Why didn't they just cast Lewis Tan as Davos? Would have been a much better fit physically, anyway. By far the weakest Netflix show.

 

[itwasTuesday]

Okay I'm on episode 13, which I think is the last one.
Ward is on the phone talking to Danny about the plan has to be moved to a later date to take down his dad. Then dad clubs Ward in the back of the head with a golf club, and back at the car Danny and the gang are now talking about the plan to take down the dad. HANG UP THE PHONE!! Dad can hear you!.... I had to replay it just to make sure. Okay now to finish the show.

I'm enjoying this show but they don't make it easy

 

[Rymuth]

What a piece of dumpster fire.

So with the whole 'The Hand is made up of different faction' thingy, which faction are we getting in The Defenders? I'd laugh if it they introduce a fourth faction!

 

[Einchy]

Lol, they did such a poor job at hiding the stunt double's face during the drunken master fight. In one shot Dany's face is completely shown in the shot, and rather than digitial replace the stunt double's face, they just blurred it. It's like a COPS episode out of nowhere.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

What a piece of dumpster fire.

So with the whole 'The Hand is made up of different faction' thingy, which faction are we getting in The Defenders? I'd laugh if it they introduce a fourth faction!

The man behind the curtain. Or whatever thing they found that made them immortal all those centuries ago.

 

[Einchy]

For being called the Iron Fight, dude barely ever used it, fought like a wet noodle and got his ass kicked by a bunch of henchmen.

Really didn't like how he didn't want to kill, that made no sense with who he was and it especially didn't make sense for Colleen. Why'd she have a sword if she never uses it? She's fighting guys with guns like they have swords and she never actually cuts anyone.

All the fighting in this show is really annoying from the poor choreography to way it effects characterization and plot.

 

[LumpOfCole]

Say what you want about Luke Cage, at least it was fun watching him take on random unsuspecting guards / bad guys / henchmen because they couldn't even scratch him. Meanwhile Danny physically struggled with more than half of the rent-a-cops thrown at him. The fun of every single kung fu film/show is watching the kung fu master just obliterate untrained / undertrained bad guys in fights, and Iron Fist just about had none of that.

 

[caliph95]

For being called the Iron Fight, dude barely ever used it, fought like a wet noodle and got his ass kicked by a bunch of henchmen.

Really didn't like how he didn't want to kill, that made no sense with who he was and it especially didn't make sense for Colleen. Why'd she have a sword if she never uses it? She's fighting guys with guns like they have swords and she never actually cuts anyone.

All the fighting in this show is really annoying from the poor choreography to way it effects characterization and plot.

How expensive is it to do the Iron fist, i assume its because of that and for them to give a good excuse why Danny doesn't instantly drop anyone fighting except the top fighters of the hand. Also to keep the dumb scepticism between characters so add all that they make new excuses why he doesn't use the Iron Fist whenever.

 

[The Kree]

How expensive is it to do the Iron fist, i assume its because of that and for them to give a good excuse why Danny doesn't instantly drop anyone fighting except the top fighters of the hand. Also to keep the dumb scepticism between characters so add all that they make new excuses why he doesn't use the Iron Fist whenever.

It's not really an excuse, it's just a limitation of his powers. Iron Man sometimes runs out of energy, too.

But Danny should probably be a competent enough fighter that he can handle a handful of goons most of the time without it if he's supposed to be the guardian of a mystical city. The show is just sloppy.

 

[caliph95]

It's not really an excuse, it's just a limitation of his powers. Iron Man sometimes runs out of energy, too.

But Danny should probably be a competent enough fighter that he can handle a handful of goons most of the time without it if he's supposed to be the guardian of a mystical city. The show is just sloppy.

I get that especially with the show being sloppy my thing is the show just seem to go out of their way to not have Danny use the fist when the plot needs it too. I probably used to the comic but if ti was Iron man they probably will have the suit constantly have too little energy to extend the plot. Though one of the best parts of 3 is him losing his armor and being creative without it so whatever.

 

[Hero]

Man this show was hot garbage. It felt like the first half had no clear direction and the second half was just so rushed to get characters in certain places for things to happen.

Danny Rand came off as extremely immature despite his training as he gets upset easily, refuses to listen to anyone else, literally breaks every vow he mentions early on, and is just not sold as a competent warrior. This is the bet that Kun Lun had to offer? Dude's getting beaten up by fucking no name jobbers the entire show.

We could've had this guy (Lewis Tan action demo):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKErzb4fnCM

This dude was the highlight of the entire season. He should've been the Iron Fist.

Before the show, not knowing much about the Iron Fist character, I really wondered if much would change if they made Danny Rand a second generation Asian American that grew up here and never had ties/roots with his asian heritage so the whole monastery thing would still be applicable. I don't think Danny being white really was necessary or justified but I guess this still just shows the Hollywood Asian stigma since they don't mind changing characters into a completely different gender like Hogarth but whatever.

I don't want another season of this show.

 

[Einchy]

Maybe it was just role but Lewis Tan seemed like a pretty bad actor, physically I can see why he'd be a good fit for Danny but his acting abilities weren't up to par to carry a show.

 

[Kin5290]

Maybe it was just role but Lewis Tan seemed like a pretty bad actor, physically I can see why he'd be a good fit for Danny but his acting abilities weren't up to par to carry a show.

Tan has considerably more charm and charisma. And he'd be an alternative for Finn Jones, who was even worse in the role.

 

[Einchy]

Tan has considerably more charm and charisma. And he'd be an alternative for Finn Jones, who was even worse in the role.

Can't say that I agree, Finn Jones did a fine job with what he was given, it's not really his fault that what he was given wasn't great.

Danny didn't have more charm or charisma because the show never intended him to have that. You can see him having some bit of charm in the first episode when he firsts arrives that but that characterization is abandoned for his more angry and annoyed self.

 

[Kin5290]

Can't say that I agree, Finn Jones did a fine job with what he was given, it's not really his fault that what he was given wasn't great.

Danny didn't have more charm or charisma because the show never intended him to have that. You can see him having some bit of charm in the first episode when he firsts arrives that but that characterization is abandoned for his more angry and annoyed self.

As the character is written, a Danny Rand who can fight, and more importantly move and carry himself as a martial artist would be far superior to Finn Jones, who cannot.

An even better Danny Rand would be written differently, in which case an Asian American Danny Rand could open up interesting characterization possibilities that are novel or rarely explored. And that better written Danny Rand would be best played by somebody who is not Finn Jones, who has yet to demonstrate that he can act.

 

[Hero]

I don't think Finn Jones is a good actor. Even aside from that, none of the material in Iron Fist demanded good acting.

- Act enlightened the first two episodes
- Alternate between being angry and confused for the remaining eleven

 

[Einchy]

As the character is written, a Danny Rand who can fight, and more importantly move and carry himself as a martial artist would be far superior to Finn Jones, who cannot.

An even better Danny Rand would be written differently, in which case an Asian American Danny Rand could open up interesting characterization possibilities that are novel or rarely explored. And that better written Danny Rand would be best played by somebody who is not Finn Jones, who has yet to demonstrate that he can act.

But you're saying Finn Jones did a bad job, and that Lewis would've been better because he has charisma, and yet nothing in this show requires Danny Rand to show any charisma because he's not written charismatic. You're faulting Finn Jones for something that is out of his control, he did what the director and the scripted wanted and if Lewis was a good actor, he would've also shown no charisma in this role.

 

[Schweinehund]

Finished the series.

I thought it got better as it went on, opposite of the other netflix Marvel shows. Davos was a fun addition to the show.

Always felt like it was one step from greatness but never really reached that level, Danny is just so damn inconsistent. The most exciting apart about the show was the groundwork it laid for season 2.

 

[Chronoja]

I don't think Finn Jones is a good actor. Even aside from that, none of the material in Iron Fist demanded good acting.

- Act enlightened the first two episodes
- Alternate between being angry and confused for the remaining eleven

I don't think I'd blame the actor, more the direction. It felt like someone told him to copy what Eddie Redmayne did in Jupiter Ascending, mellow borderline whispering with abrupt outbursts of petulant anger, really frustrating to watch.If it was the actors choice and no one told him to stop it it's again on the director.

 

[The Kree]

I don't think Finn Jones is a good actor. Even aside from that, none of the material in Iron Fist demanded good acting.

- Act enlightened the first two episodes
- Alternate between being angry and confused for the remaining eleven

Easy to talk that zen bullshit when you don't have to deal with cynical New York City assholes. Getting beaten with sticks and lugging jugs of water up and down a fucking mountain was probably easier.

 

[Hero]

I don't think I'd blame the actor, more the direction. It felt like someone told him to copy what Eddie Redmayne did in Jupiter Ascending, mellow borderline whispering with abrupt outbursts of petulant anger, really frustrating to watch.If it was the actors choice and no one told him to stop it it's again on the director.

Yeah, I blame the director too. Still, the point remains that I don't think what they asked for is particularly difficult to attain and really even in the worst case scenario I would've been happier with slightly worse acting for massively better fight scenes. It's a martial arts show.

Easy to talk that zen bullshit when you don't have to deal with cynical New York City assholes. Getting beaten with sticks and lugging jugs of water up and down a fucking mountain was probably easier.

Yeah, driving in NYC is enough to make anyone go evil.

 

[Artanisix]

just finished

this show is complete dogshit

 

[BackLogJoe]

I just finished this. I keep seeing in discussions that Harold was cremated. When Ward looked through the window, into the cremation oven, there was no body on the table. Am I missing something? I assumed the Hand took the body.

Also, wtf at Joy wanting to kill Danny. This shit makes no sense at all. I can take Wards heel/face turns because of his drug addiction but Joy never showed any capacity for violence and was always sympathetic to Danny,

 

[Einchy]

I just finished this. I keep seeing in discussions that Harold was cremated. When Ward looked through the window, into the cremation oven, there was no body on the table. Am I missing something? I assumed the Hand took the body.

Also, wtf at Joy wanting to kill Danny. This shit makes no sense at all. I can take Wards heel/face turns because of his drug addiction but Joy never showed any capacity for violence and was always sympathetic to Danny,

I think it was a coffin, so it's assumed that the body was inside of it.

And yeah, Joy's turn made no goddamn sense at all. They wanted her to turn evil but they never actually showed us why she would do any of that.

 

[BackLogJoe]

I think it was a coffin, so it's assumed that the body was inside of it.

And yeah, Joy's turn made no goddamn sense at all. They wanted her to turn evil but they never actually showed us why she would do any of that.

Ahhh. Maybe. It looked like a table top to me and then the ominous music kicked in and I just assumed the body was gone.

 

[darkhunger]

I don't think Finn Jones is a good actor. Even aside from that, none of the material in Iron Fist demanded good acting.

- Act enlightened the first two episodes
- Alternate between being angry and confused for the remaining eleven

The martial arts scenes do. Jones looks ridiculously silly with his crappy qigong motions and fighting abilities in general. A good actor should at least be able to sell that stuff a bit better.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

I can see why they would set that up, it's just they didn't provide enough context. Like why is Kun Lun gone at the end? Because danny was gone and the hand invaded? And why did his fist glow at the end - was he just mad? Like its confusing

Gao was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers. Davos probably betrayed Kun Lun and is working with Gao. That's why both of them are there in the Joy scene.

 

[wandering]

But you're saying Finn Jones did a bad job, and that Lewis would've been better because he has charisma, and yet nothing in this show requires Danny Rand to show any charisma because he's not written charismatic. You're faulting Finn Jones for something that is out of his control, he did what the director and the scripted wanted and if Lewis was a good actor, he would've also shown no charisma in this role.

I mean, you also just called Lewis Tan's acting ability into question based on one minuscule scene.

 

[Einchy]

I mean, you also just called Lewis Tan's acting ability into question based on one minuscule scene.

How is that the same thing?

He is saying that Lewis Tan had charisma, implying that's something Finn Jones lacks, but charisma is not something Finn Jones has to show because that's not how the character is written.

Lewis Tan, however, had some pretty bad line delivery in his scene. It's not like I'm saying, "Finn Jones is a much better actor because he was able to be dramatic and Lewis Tan wasn't" because Lewis Tan's role didn't require him to be dramatic, his role required him to show some charisma and playfulness.

 

[SomeRandomAnon]

All the choreography problems would be easily fixed if they gave the mask to Danny Rand.

Then you can get a competent stunt double to do the fighting and Finn Jones to "act".

Of course, it would still be flawed, but at least the physicality aspect of it would get a huge improvement.

I think Finn did a decent job,but there was bad line delivery through out the entire series.

Hard to single out Tan on that.

 

[Hero]

The martial arts scenes do. Jones looks ridiculously silly with his crappy qigong motions and fighting abilities in general. A good actor should at least be able to sell that stuff a bit better.

I meant acting in non-martial arts capabilities, because I agree, Finn Jones looked silly most of the time.

How is that the same thing?

He is saying that Lewis Tan had charisma, implying that's something Finn Jones lacks, but charisma is not something Finn Jones has to show because that's not how the character is written.

Lewis Tan, however, had some pretty bad line delivery in his scene. It's not like I'm saying, "Finn Jones is a much better actor because he was able to be dramatic and Lewis Tan wasn't" because Lewis Tan's role didn't require him to be dramatic, his role required him to show some charisma and playfulness.

Finn Jones was terrible overall, man.

 

[Einchy]

Finn Jones was terrible overall, man.

Nah, man.

The script was.

 

[wandering]

How is that the same thing?

He is saying that Lewis Tan had charisma, implying that's something Finn Jones lacks, but charisma is not something Finn Jones has to show because that's not how the character is written.

Lewis Tan, however, had some pretty bad line delivery in his scene. It's not like I'm saying, "Finn Jones is a much better actor because he was able to be dramatic and Lewis Tan wasn't" because Lewis Tan's role didn't require him to be dramatic, his role required him to show some charisma and playfulness.

Well a lot of people seemed to find him pretty charismatic, judging from the reactions out there.

I mean you were giving Jones the benefit of the doubt, placing the blame on the writing and directing, but apparently a throwaway scene where Tan is forced to put on a fake Chinese accent is enough to judge his acting abilities?

 

[Rodney McKay]

Also, wtf at Joy wanting to kill Danny. This shit makes no sense at all. I can take Wards heel/face turns because of his drug addiction but Joy never showed any capacity for violence and was always sympathetic to Danny,

Yeah, that was one of the worst moments in the show for me. They convince her that killing Danny is a good idea with a single line of "your life went to shit when he came back."

No, your life went to shit after your evil father who was hiding the fact that he'd been alive for years was involved with an evil ninja cult. All Danny did was accelerate her dad's plans and reveal that he was a murderer. Killing Danny wouldn't fix ANYTHING that Danny allegedly broke.

And honestly, other than getting shot, nothing particularly bad happened to her.

• She thought her dad was dead, then he wasn't, and now he's dead again, so basically nothing was lost there.
• The relationship with her brother is about the only thing that was really damaged. He lied to her for a long time, but in his defense his abusive father was forcing him to and if he told her the evil Ninjas would kill her. And it's not like she didn't screw him over when she rejected that deal for them to both get $100 Million and leave Rand.
• I assume she still has her job with Rand if she really wants it, even though her portrait wasn't in the office at the end.

Wanting Danny dead doesn't even work as a revenge plan because it's not like she approved of what her father was doing when she found out, and Danny wasn't even the one who killed him!

Ugh, so much stupidity in one little scene

 

[Einchy]

Well a lot of people seemed to find him pretty charismatic, judging from the reactions out there.

I mean you were giving Jones the benefit of the doubt, placing the blame on the writing and directing, but apparently a throwaway scene where Tan is forced to put on a fake Chinese accent is enough to judge his acting abilities?

I'm not sure what's so confusing about this.

The person I replied to was criticizing Finn Jones for not being charismatic, when the script did not require him to be charismatic, I'm not giving him the benefit of a doubt, that's just the way he was written. The whole show is about him becoming super frustrated with how he is being treated and then later he became extremely angry when he finds out people are doing him wrong, Claire even going on to say how all the heroes she meets are broken people. Finn Jones is not supposed to play a charismatic character, he is playing a broken character, which he does.

And the scene with Lewis Tan, however, does show his character to be more joyful and charismatic compared to Danny, because that's what the script demands. Even though his character is more charismatic, just by the virtue of his lines and actions, doesn't mean his line delivery was good, which it wasn't.

Here, I'll give him the benefit of a doubt: Maybe he's not a bad actor, maybe he was just a bad actor in this scene.

 

[Chumly]

Just finished. God dam Danny is an unlikable piece of shit. I can understand some ignorance but he just got more annoying as the show went. Plus the ending with joy and Davos conspiring with the hand to kill Danny.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I liked the idea of a show where everyone is lying or hiding something and there's double crosses and etc.

I like the idea of Danny being conflicted between his "Danny Rand" persona and the immaturity and naivete of trusting people he only knew when he was a child, and the unwavering demands of the duty of the iron fist.

I like Colleen a lot. I liked the evil zombie dad.

I didn't like how the show took so long for things to resolve that should have been resolved quicker. I don't like how long Danny spent bouncing around between motivations and being tricked and fucking up so often. I don't like evil zombie dad as a fight scene. I don't like "impaled on a pipe".

Colleen should have cut his head off. I thought that was pretty clearly foreshadowed with the scene prior where they say that's the only way he won't come back.

I wish Danny would have just got his shit together sooner and become a stronger character with more drive and clarity.

I almost feel like the show was written in a way to make you not like Danny and groan at his mistakes and the way he believes everybody and is manipulated.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

I really shouldn't have picked up "Into the Badlands" again right after watching this. Now I'm just this...mixture of sad and angry

 

[7DollarHagane]

Yeah, that was one of the worst moments in the show for me. They convince her that killing Danny is a good idea with a single line of "your life went to shit when he came back."

No, your life went to shit after your evil father who was hiding the fact that he'd been alive for years was involved with an evil ninja cult. All Danny did was accelerate her dad's plans and reveal that he was a murderer. Killing Danny wouldn't fix ANYTHING that Danny allegedly broke.

And honestly, other than getting shot, nothing particularly bad happened to her.

• She thought her dad was dead, then he wasn't, and now he's dead again, so basically nothing was lost there.
• The relationship with her brother is about the only thing that was really damaged. He lied to her for a long time, but in his defense his abusive father was forcing him to and if he told her the evil Ninjas would kill her. And it's not like she didn't screw him over when she rejected that deal for them to both get $100 Million and leave Rand.
• I assume she still has her job with Rand if she really wants it, even though her portrait wasn't in the office at the end.

Wanting Danny dead doesn't even work as a revenge plan because it's not like she approved of what her father was doing when she found out, and Danny wasn't even the one who killed him!

Ugh, so much stupidity in one little scene

Season two needs a cardboard placard intro that has written "joy went back to her home planet" and just ditch that storyline asap.

 

[LotusHD]

Nah, man.

The script was.

It can be both. *shrugs

 

[7DollarHagane]

Just like luke cage, they sidelined the better villain to introduce a worse one as the "real" villain.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

But Danny should probably be a competent enough fighter that he can handle a handful of goons most of the time without it if he's supposed to be the guardian of a mystical city. The show is just sloppy.

One of the many poor elements that add up to making this a pretty dumb show. When he first spars with Colleen at her dojo, she literally can't lay a finger on him. But then he's getting taken out by random security guards.