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Toonami |MayJun17| WE ARE ROBOTS
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Ok goodie, we can end this shit show now.
Unicorn has three more episodes, including that one.
Likely lose that 11pm slot once again.
Yeah I get where it comes from, and it's fine if a series embraces it wholeheartedly, like Jojo.
But shounen also have a message of hard work and getting better by your own power. Destiny and fate directly contradict that, and series who try to have both undermine their own message, like Naruto. And I personally don't like it when a series introduces destiny without hinting that it had it before, like One Piece. And it's not like the concept of fighting destiny is weird in Japan.
My Hero Academia has the best solution, because the main character doesn't gain his powers through fate or inheritance, he gains it through a person specifically choosing him, and they chose him because they liked him as a person, not for any supposed inherent skill. And, manga spoilers,
establishes he isn't even the best or only choice for the power
That's still a kind of destiny, but destiny through choice is a lot better than destiny through fate.
Schadenfreude
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See ya next week, ToonamiGAF.
YoodiHoshi
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Yeah, 'twas a long time ago when I heard this
I love how oda pulled swerve with the trope by revealing a certain chatacter was gold roger Son and we all know happen after that.
Deku has the powers of all might the number 1 greatest hero by a long shot while luffy has the powers of stretch arm strong rubber man next to guys who can turn to lava or quake man with power to sink islands.
Yeah, I definitely think Gundam assumes that. I wonder if it's not just Gundam, but I think it might be a big reason why Giant Robot shows fail in the US on TV. I think it's completely fair to assume that for a massive amount of the Japanese watching audience. But in the west...
The way One Piece acts like "EVERY BOY LOVES ROBOT!" states their thoughts and position very clearly. Basic Gundam / Real Robot knowledge is to Japan as knowing Superman and Spider-Man is to the west.
One of the reasons a friend of mine remembers Video Girl Ai was because Katsura decided he'd place his expected fandom that permeates his work.. towards Batman. It's not a localization, the mangaka just loves Batman! And that didn't take any huge knowledge of older, or even nearly ancient anime to relate to.
I never personally feel like HxH is as straightforward as many see it, though. Nen-School and training 101 seem just as esoteric and wordy to me. When put right by JoJo's as it was for weeks, I find JoJo's to be much better at crazy powers with creative possibilities. The way HxH made a habit of having extremely simple stuff explained by Smart characters in order to try to make them seem smarter than those around them, felt lacking in audience awareness to me, as well.
I feel like it's partially due to one being about politics and family heritages, and the other is just... fighting related. Gundam uses combat as an accessory to further it's crazy wordiness and character relations, and to give people reasons to like the characters riding their marketable model kits.
HxH stuff just fuels the combat, and the new cool tech of the hour. Everything branches off the eventual violent conflict... and even when it doesn't, the fight scenes are so aggressively violent as-of-late, that it still probably feels like it was worth it, when the fight eventually happens.
I get the feeling they don't even see, or care about, the initial contradiction. Surely, after a while, there's an acknowledgement that the themes clash, but at first, it's introduced in a "Of course this is here! Didn't you see! He's part of a family!" way. Kinda like how otaku works put characters in multiple, incredibly uncomfortable, relationship-destroying invasions of privacy, and then act like the characters STILL can become normal friends.
Noticing an unchecked overuse of a certain element will always feel like bad writing. It shrinks ones impression of the creators ability to keep the story fresh; you begin to expect the same thing over and over. It brings down good characters, and makes ones a person dislikes even worse. Naruto has all the blocks that seems like it could make the story awesome, but there's so much misuse, even more overuse, and rampant under-utilization.
I have no pre-conceptions of MHA, but I'm hoping I feel as hype for it as I was for the whole run of WON PUNCH, MAN! I don't wanna feel like it's overhyped by months of positive post here. A big reason I got into the OPM manga was due to how much people here seemed to like the series. Hoping for MHA to make it to Toonami as predicted.
Yeah, probably. Still annoying.
I always thought Naruto was worse than Bleach just because Bleach was just bad, but Naruto was nearly good. And that somehow makes it worse.
If you don't mind reading manga, I'd recommend checking MHA's out. Season 1 had a rushed production and botched the pacing completely, it's never going to live up to the hype. Season 2 is much better, but it misses a lot of the subtle things I love from the series, and the pacing is still not great.
BassForever
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Have they announced whats replacing unicorn?
We're expecting an announcement next week at Momocon, on the 25th.
*nod* And I obviously know the feeling, lol. I do find myself missing Bleach, though. I rather enjoy Kubo's art, the dub is full of actors I enjoy, and it always had fun music and OPs. I think it helps that the characters also FEEL older than they are.
Noted. In the time I got OPM, it was between it and MHA... and I picked OP, and Murata art is just way, way too good. The characters in MHA look fun and well designed enough, that I don't expect the Anime to annoy me much, but I might jump on the Manga if a good sale pops up.
Bleach would work pretty well in a college setting, yeah.
Coincidentally relevant, the author of My Hero Academia mentioned it was originally planned to be a university setting and not high school, but the editor advised him otherwise because it wouldn't be as popular. I wonder how many series that's happened to?
Coincidentally relevant, the author of My Hero Academia mentioned it was originally planned to be a university setting and not high school, but the editor advised him otherwise because it wouldn't be as popular. I wonder how many series that's happened to?
Oh yeah, I saw the original design for the main character for MHA, he looked much older & like he just got out of college.
While I completely understand why they stick with the high school setting (because it lets the demographic readers feel more of a connection or something), I wish more series dealt with life AFTER high school. Golden Time, which was done by the Toradora author, dealt with the college life & I found it rather good.
How often does Shonen Jump publish the "pilot" version of a series? I recall Death Note had one where it was the opposite, started with two younger boys, but it was changed to be someone older.
While I completely understand why they stick with the high school setting (because it lets the demographic readers feel more of a connection or something), I wish more series dealt with life AFTER high school. Golden Time, which was done by the Toradora author, dealt with the college life & I found it rather good.
How often does Shonen Jump publish the "pilot" version of a series? I recall Death Note had one where it was the opposite, started with two younger boys, but it was changed to be someone older.
Same. I could see My Hero Academia continuing on into adult life years down the line even if it turns the title legacy, but we'll see.
I've heard that the reason high school is so popular is because is because you're expected in Japan to become a full adult when you graduate high school, so it's the last time of your life you get to be a kid. English-speaking countries don't expect that until you graduate college, so college settings are more popular here.
Yeah, Jump publishes all those one-chapter "oneshot" versions of the series. They're not really pilots though, they're more like random ideas the authors come up with and they just happen to reuse when coming up with ideas for a serialized story. Easier to convince the magazine to pick up an idea if the oneshot was popular, too.
That's what I figured, they'd publish the one-shots to gauge interest, then retool anything to help make the series last longer/be more appealing. I've seen a few, but not a lot, especially for more popular stuff like One Piece.
The only others that I can remember reading were Shokugeki no Soma & Nisekoi.
The only others that I can remember reading were Shokugeki no Soma & Nisekoi.
BassForever
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There were 3 of them, the second one is really different compared to 1/3.
Hellwarden
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So one theory that they're throwing around in the Jack thread is Ashi could potentially send Jack home, since she is part Aku. Aku seems to have some control over time and space, perhaps Ashi does too. Boy would that be an ironic end to Aku.
Would be a great way to end the series.
Sets up for an Ashi spin off and concludes Jack's story.
JadedWriter
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Started my rewatch of AOT. Eren's mother got a death fitting for a Gundam pilots mom.
Thought I remembered drawing DeRp Batou. The idea of the Major and Batou carrying on a separate conversation via-body VS what their cyber brains are tele-communicating about is so ridiculous, yet fun. I feel like Batou was dropping them minor hints in his story though.
The way this show goes about actually giving personality and individuality to a group of cloned, CG 3D robots, with a variety of moe girly voices within an anime is so... weird. But they pull it off fantastically, and somehow it doesn't seem anyway near as ridiculous as it should be.
JadedWriter
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Mikasa to Eren: "Eat your bread"
Yup, had 2 one shots. Oda also had his Wanted one shot with Luffy and Ryoma in it.
JadedWriter
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The rampant violence of that ep is crazy. I love Machi just hanging a bunch of people. For some odd reason I just see her as a healer but Machi can do some fucking damage.
Crimson_Echidna
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She is the healer but she is one of the stronger physical people on the troupe
I like that Feitan managed to be in the top 5.
Yeah but her Nen ability is incredibly useful even if not so much in a fight.
Machi is probably one of the weakest troupe members but considering the conditions to get in I imagine she has to be head and shoulders above most characters we have met outside the troupe.
Roundabout manga spoiler:
Nothing beats her murder face when Hisoka tells her his plan.
JadedWriter
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And a nose. Pakunoda's not that weak either. She edges out Shizuku and we both know she's not weak.
I actually find this shocking. Who knew goth infused Nen could be so strong.
Machi also has
Kortopi is probably there because his ability is useful though he is likely isn't a complete pushover
good boob muscle control that must be useful
He is powered by the Edge
JadedWriter
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His power up song is probably Fascination Street by The Cure.
JadedWriter
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Probably Kraftwerk.
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