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[UtterlyPerplexed]

If at any point they did so much as profess to be a member of ISIS, which by all accounts is a proscribed terror organisation under the Terrorism Act 2000, that's enough to be guilty of the offence under section 11 unless they can prove in their defence that they took no part in the activities of ISIS. I honestly have no idea how one would effectively prove the latter, but there you go.

So yes, under domestic law, I certainly do believe it would be fit and proper for these women to be hauled before the court. My sympathy for them is at rock bottom though, so I shan't weep if the book is thrown at them. It's the kids who I feel are the real victims here.

 

[Kinyou]

Not much sympathy for them. I hope that they're being watched closely

 

[Dopus]

They all deserve death over the age of 16, yet here you going on about counseling and therapy and maternal custodial rights

Typical reactionary thoughts, or lack thereof.

 

[Muffin1611]

They all deserve death over the age of 16, yet here you going on about counseling and therapy and maternal custodial rights

Oh god, we even got someone like this in this thread.

If at any point they did so much as profess to be a member of ISIS, which by all accounts is a proscribed terror organisation under the Terrorism Act 2000, that's enough to be guilty of the offence under section 11 unless they can prove in their defence that they took no part in the activities of ISIS. I honestly have no idea how one would effectively prove the latter, but there you go.

So yes, under domestic law, I certainly do believe it would be fit and proper for these women to be hauled before the court. My sympathy for them is at rock bottom though, so I shan't weep if the book is thrown at them. It's the kids who I feel are the real victims here.

Yup, pretty much.

 

[KillGore]

Lock them up

 

[Plasma]

They should be locked up the same as any other terrorists.

 

[Beefy]

Some of the posts in this thread. You know not all went there voluntary right? I have seen a few documentaries were the women are basically forced to go or never see their child again. They had one who got forced as the husband took their 2 children with him. She was so desperate to see and be with them she went over a few months later. Once there she tried to escape on many occasions but couldn't. How do any of you know this isn't the case for some out of the women returning? To simply say lock them up or kill them is disgusting.

 

[Soldiussnaku]

They all deserve death over the age of 16, yet here you going on about counseling and therapy and maternal custodial rights

What the fuck?

Uhhhhh they are British, and they are back in a country that does not practice the death penalty, not even with terrorism charges.

Pray tell, since they haven't as far as we know committed treason, who the fuck or what court in THE UK will sentence them to death?

Also good job in killing the mothers of kids who most likely need extensive support and therapy for years. Nothing like knowing their mothers were killed without their knowledge to help them integrate into society. That will surely aid their recovery and embrace western liberal values.

Yes yes that won't breed even more terrorists.

Whilst we are at it lets also throw onto the trash heap what is likely a significant amount of intelligence into the workings of Isis, their members, their hierarchy, their plans and how they operate.

Cmon now.

 

[Occam]

In case they are British, they are traitors. According to British law, maximum sentence for treason is imprisonment for life.

 

[sant]

What the fuck?

Uhhhhh they are British, and they are back in a country that does not practice the death penalty, not even with terrorism charges.

Pray tell, since they haven't as far as we know committed treason, who the fuck or what court in THE UK will sentence them to death?

Also good job in killing the mothers of kids who most likely need extensive support and therapy for years. Nothing like knowing their mothers were killed without their knowledge to help them integrate into society. That will surely aid their recovery and embrace western liberal values.

Yes yes that won't breed even more terrorists.

Whilst we are at it lets also throw what is likely a significant amount of intelligence into the workings of Isis, their members, their hierarchy, their plans and how they operate.

Cmon now.

You could argue that they renounced their British citizenship when they went to join ISIS, which they technically did...

 

[moggio]

They all deserve death over the age of 16, yet here you going on about counseling and therapy and maternal custodial rights

Ever thought of joining ISIS, mate?

You'd probably feel at home.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

They all deserve death over the age of 16, yet here you going on about counseling and therapy and maternal custodial rights

It's interesting to see opponents of Sharia law propose Sharia-type punishments for these people

Goes to show that conservatives are mostly the same, regardless of religion

 

[Muffin1611]

Some of the posts in this thread. You not all went there voluntary right? I have seen a few documentaries were the women is basically forced to go or never see their child again. They had one who got forced as the husband took their 2 children with him. She was so desperate to see and be with them she went over a few months later. Once there she tried to escape on many occasions but couldn't. How do any of you know this isn't the case for some out of the women returning. To simply say lock them up or kill them is disgusting.

Thank you for saying it better than I could.

 

[Clefargle]

It's interesting to see opponents of Sharia law propose Sharia-type punishments for these people

Prison sentence after conviction isn't sharia. That's what myself and a lot of others are suggesting.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Man the life of those kids tho

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Prison sentence after conviction isn't sharia. That's what myself and a lot of others are suggesting.

I was referring to people proposing death penalty

I should probably edit my post to quote the person in question

 

[reckless]

Some of the posts in this thread. You not all went there voluntary right? I have seen a few documentaries were the women is basically forced to go or never see their child again. They had one who got forced as the husband took their 2 children with him. She was so desperate to see and be with them she went over a few months later. Once there she tried to escape on many occasions but couldn't. How do any of you know this isn't the case for some out of the women returning. To simply say lock them up or kill them is disgusting.

Because the article doesn't talk about that as being a major reason for these people and coincidentally they start trying to come back when ISIS is on its last legs.

 

[Dopus]

You could argue that they renounced their British citizenship when they went to join ISIS, which they technically did...

Not all went voluntarily. Some who did also try to leave.

 

[farmerboy]

Sorry guys, I can't see these ISIL thugs voluntarily sending their wives home. After all the ideology and rhetoric they spew, they let them back into the hands of the infidels? While they make some glorious last stand?

They prey on our naivete and stupidity. They consciously sacrfice and martyr their own.

The world is not all rainbows and unicorns, its shit and sometimes you have to do the hard thing. They come back, they come back to a jail cell. For the adults I would make it permanent. For the children, depends how young and how far they've been brainwashed. Maybe you could save them.

Trust is hard to get back, and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

 

[Occam]

It's interesting to see opponents of Sharia law propose Sharia-type punishments for these people

Goes to show that conservatives are mostly the same, regardless of religion

I am no conservative. Traitors who wish us dead deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. Which is life imprisonment.

 

[Soldiussnaku]

You could argue that they renounced their British citizenship when they went to join ISIS, which they technically did...

Sure I can see where that viewpoint is coming from, and if the authorities and/or courts do determine that, deport the idiots.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

What if harsh penalties discourage people from returning with their kids? Price worth paying?

 

[Beefy]

Because the article doesn't talk about that as being a major reason for these people and coincidentally they start trying to come back when ISIS is on its last legs.

Just because a article doesn't talk about it, it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Also think about it, if ISIS was on it's last legs wouldn't that make it easier for the women wanting to escape? I would have thought it would have.

 

[SyenceLabb]

I was referring to people proposing death penalty

I should probably edit my post to quote the person in question

I think you should, since, you know.... Only one person proposed death.

 

[metalslimer]

I want to say take the kids away, but that could easily lead to serious resentment making them more susceptible to recruitment later on.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Can't really trust idiots who were swept off their feet by a radical terrorist organization to just walk back into civilized society. Isis knows we're kind to women and children.

Sorry, life is full of choices and they chose wrong.

 

[Muffin1611]

I think you should, since, you know.... Only one person proposed death.

There are also some proposing life imprisonment regardless of circumstances.

 

[the_batman]

What if harsh penalties discourage people from returning with their kids? Price worth paying?

Well then i guess they'd rather have their kids live in a hellhole than in the UK

 

[Dopus]

Because the article doesn't talk about that as being a major reason for these people and coincidentally they start trying to come back when ISIS is on its last legs.

It does however say:

Foreign women are also apparently fleeing after becoming disillusioned with the restrictions of life under Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil).

Which is known. That has happened since ISIS declared itself as a caliphate and women traveled to Syria to live their lives there. Some to join their husbands, some to get married. Some cases have been voluntary, some haven't. It's not a new thing and there are a number of cases that are well documented. Many have been forced to stay.Again, that isn't to say we should bend over backwards, but it is to say that it is more complicated than "these women joined the terrorists!".

 

[Beefy]

Can't really trust idiots who were swept off their feet by a radical terrorist organization to just walk back into civilized society. Isis knows we're kind to women and children.

Sorry, life is full of choices and they chose wrong.

And not all chose it.

 

[the_batman]

There are also some proposing life imprisonment regardless of circumstances.

We've got us an ISIS sympathizer. Isis has no problem committing genocide, torture and enslavement, but we should be nice to them

 

[Beefy]

We've got us an ISIS sympathizer. Isis has no problem committing genocide, torture and enslavement, but we should be nice to them

Disgusting comment

 

[reckless]

Just because a article doesn't talk about it, it doesn't mean it isn't happening. Also think about it, if ISIS was on it's last legs wouldn't that make it easier for the women wanting to escape? I would have thought it would have.

Might happen in a couple cases, but trying to act like it is for the majority is baseless.

You can't just take back joining a group like that, not how it works.

 

[MaximL]

tl;dr Isis portrays itself as spiritual Disneyland for Muslims, and some poor pious housewives eat it up.

But what about all the information on the news showing the hineous crimes they commit. The mutiple terrorist attacks they have been involved in. The disturbing videos they put out?

If someone voluntarily goes over there should not be allowed back. Period. You can say brainwash & propaganda all you want but they knew exactly what ISIS were about before they went over. I have much sympathy for the ones forced to go over and the children. The wives who chose to support pure evil out by there own will? They can go fuck themselves. People make mistakes and we should forgive and let them learn. But supporting ISIS is up there with serial killing and the like. You don't get to go, oh I fucked up please forgive me with that.

 

[Dopus]

We've got us an ISIS sympathizer. Isis has no problem committing genocide, torture and enslavement, but we should be nice to them

What an utterly idiotic post.

 

[Muffin1611]

We've got us an ISIS sympathizer. Isis has no problem committing genocide, torture and enslavement, but we should be nice to them

Shove it. I don't think that we should decide on our methods based on what ISIS does. Since, you know, they're terrorists. And we're kinda living in democracies. With laws and rights and all that fancy stuff. And people living in them that have a sense of morality, in the best case.

Incredibly funny calling me an ISIS sympathizer for making the bold claim people being forced into criminal acts shouldn't be punished the same as actual criminals. So f-u-n-n-y.

 

[reckless]

It does however say:



Which is known. That has happened since ISIS declared itself as a caliphate and women traveled to Syria to live their lives there. Some to join their husbands, some to get married. Some cases have been voluntary, some haven't. It's not a new thing and there are a number of cases that are well documented. Many have been forced to stay.Again, that isn't to say we should bend over backwards, but it is to say that it is more complicated than "these women joined the terrorists!".

Oh no the terrorist death cult that I went halfway across the world to join is putting some restrictions on how I live... NOW THAT'S TOO FAR! (The murder of tens of thousands, rape,torture etc was fine though)

I think a good analogy is Hitler's bunker as the Nazis started realizing that they were gonna lose and thought about how its not gonna be a good place to be, when Berlin finally falls. Funny how in a similar way the ones captured all seemed to claim they weren't Nazis.

 

[Beefy]

Might happen in a couple cases, but trying to act like it is for the majority is baseless.

You can't just take back joining a group like that, not how it works.

Who is saying it's the majority of women that go there are made to? I didn't. I said some are forced to, then treated like animals when they get there.

For me I can't label every one the same, so it would be case by case. See who is ok to be released back into society and do so. Obviously have loads of safe guards in place.

 

[UtterlyPerplexed]

We've got us an ISIS sympathizer. Isis has no problem committing genocide, torture and enslavement, but we should be nice to them

No one in this thread is suggesting that we be "nice" to ISIS. These women should be investigated and/or tried on a case-by-case basis. If it's found that some have genuine and compelling mitigating factors and perhaps weren't running off to Syria out of a horribly misguided desire to wed and be part of that barbarity, it should be taken into account in any court of law. It's simple-minded to just advocate that every one of them should be locked up indefinitely without even bothering to properly convict them of an actual legal offence first.

 

[Boy Wander]

We've got us an ISIS sympathizer. Isis has no problem committing genocide, torture and enslavement, but we should be nice to them

Come on man, that's out of order. You need to apologise for this bullshit comment. He was sympathising with the women who may have been forced to leave, not condoning terrorist actions.

 

[wutwutwut]

We've got us an ISIS sympathizer. Isis has no problem committing genocide, torture and enslavement, but we should be nice to them

What do you think the goal of the "War on Terror" should be? To destroy terrorism or to punish terrorists?

 

[The Hamburglar]

The children should be removed instantly. Of course the pathetic British government will probably give them a house to live in though.

 

[Xando]

In case they are British, they are traitors. According to British law, maximum sentence for treason is imprisonment for life.

Pretty much.
If you can't keep them from entering the country treat them as you treat other defectors.

 

[Soldiussnaku]

We've got us an ISIS sympathizer. Isis has no problem committing genocide, torture and enslavement, but we should be nice to them

Really now? Come off this bullshit.

 

[Dopus]

Oh no the terrorist death cult that I went halfway across the world to join is putting some restrictions on how I live... NOW THAT'S TOO FAR! (The murder of tens of thousands, rape,torture etc was fine though)

I think a good analogy is Hitler's bunker as the Nazis started realizing that they were gonna lose and thought about how its not gonna be a good place to be, when Berlin finally falls. Funny how in a similar way the ones captured were never true Nazis.

I'm not going to engage with you because you're not comprehending what I've said. You're not factoring in radicalisation, you're not factoring in whether these women joined voluntarily or not. You're not factoring anything but the name ISIS and "Jihadi Brides" being "sent back". There isn't any nuance nor is there any real thought behind what you're saying. Nobody is disputing the horrors of ISIS, but it is far more complicated than what you're trying to present here.

Your analogy is also a terrible one because actually, it's nothing like that whatsoever. Women have been attempting to flee since its inception, some successfully. Some actually being killed. Some join voluntarily, some were forced or deceived. Case in point: Islam Mitat. There are numerous documented examples of these things happening. The only way of knowing is to interview these individuals and their associates to find out.

 

[reckless]

Who is saying it's the majority of women that go there are made to? I didn't. I said some are forced to, then treated like animals when they get there.

For me I can't label every one the same, so it would be case by case. See who is ok to be released back into society and do so. Obviously have loads of safe guards in place.

Sure in the couple cases that stuff like that happened give them reduced time. They should all still be detained and arrested in the mean time.

 

[RiZ III]

Anyone who goes to join Isis should lose their nationality. These women should not be allowed back in.

 

[slider]

It's getting hot in here!

Frankly, I doubt the security services / police have the resources to actively monitor multiple returnees.

Couple of random thoughts.

Proving intent of travel must be tricky I reckon.

Just travelling to Turkey / Syria can't be enough for a conviction/trial I'd expect. People could easily claim travel for humanitarian reasons. Would that work?

And your partner being prosecutable doesn't mean you are.

 

[TimmmV]

Oh i just read that dual citizenship is a thing in the UK, No way that this will bite them in the back i guess.

Where does it say anything about dual citizenship?

 

[reckless]

I'm not going to engage with you because you're not comprehending what I've said. You're not factoring in radicalisation, you're not factoring in whether these women joined voluntarily or not. You're not factoring anything but the name ISIS and "Jihadi Brides" being "sent back". There isn't any nuance nor is there any real thought behind what you're saying. Nobody is disputing the horrors of ISIS, but it is far more complicated than what you're trying to present here.

Your analogy is also a terrible one because actually, it's nothing like that whatsoever. Women have been attempting to flee since its inception, some successfully. Some actually being killed. Some join voluntarily, some were forced or deceived. Case in point: Islam Mitat. There are numerous documented examples of these things happening. The only way of knowing is to interview these individuals and their associates to find out.

No comprehending fine just don't agree, really don't care about radicalization, its not a defense in anyway.

Clearly many if not most joined willingly.

Being deceived is not a legitimate defense either, short of being kidnapped and taken there they should all serve a long time.