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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...0?shareToken=292a4f04e5d4f668385561e80efc1dbf

Recruitment consultants have been paid more than a million pounds in a year as part of Liam Fox’s drive to find international trade specialists to work for the UK after Brexit.

Whitehall sources said that the department of international trade (DIT) had “thrown money” at headhunters to attract the best negotiators. So far ministers have only confirmed one senior appointment and refused to say how many officials with “substantial experience” have been hired.
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“It is common knowledge around Whitehall that DIT have only managed to recruit a tiny number of experienced trade negotiators despite all this money on headhunters,” Lord Adonis said. “There is a small pool of international trade negotiators and hardly any of them want to ruin their reputation by becoming trade negotiators for a British government that is unlikely to be able to achieve its objectives.”
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kmag said:
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Russia is also the UK's 2nd biggest source of Petroleum products.
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Hmm, but surely that's not quite right because that's just talking about imports. As an oil producing nation, surely if you're talking about "source" of oil products, you have to include domestic production?
 
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CyclopsRock said:
Hmm, but surely that's not quite right because that's just talking about imports. As an oil producing nation, surely if you're talking about "source" of oil products, you have to include domestic production?
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Um, it says 45% of the gas used comes from UK production. Am I being hoodwinked here?
 
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Dehnus said:
That way Northern Ireland can stay in the UK, and Ireland in the EU. While NOrthern Ireland also benefits from an open Border with the EU. .
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Surely the EU or even the WTO would have something to say about a part of the UK having access to the European single market, essentially a backdoor for the UK into that single market?

I don't think it's possible for there not to be customs posts between Northern Ireland and the republic, as disastrous as that could be. The only way to avoid those is remaining within the Customs Union.
 
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It's only contradictory if you think Brexit is the biggest issue facing the country and peoples top concern - the last election showed that sadly it isn't.

Basically the polling is showing that people trust the tories more than labour on Brexit, but less on other areas that matter more to them - general competence, health care etc. they might think the tories are doing a bad job of it but they think labour would be even worse.
 
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Chinner said:
This is why you don't do referendums lol
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I like the idea of referendums but they should make you take some test about what voting entails (they should just do this for every vote).


They only make sense if the people voting on it know what they're voting for
 
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Maledict said:
It's only contradictory if you think Brexit is the biggest issue facing the country and peoples top concern - the last election showed that sadly it isn't.

Basically the polling is showing that people trust the tories more than labour on Brexit, but less on other areas that matter more to them - general competence, health care etc. they might think the tories are doing a bad job of it but they think labour would be even worse.
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Yep. Labour are suspected of being secret Remoaners who would cave to the EU and cancel everything by Leavers, and of being secret Beleavers who would literally dig us out of the North Atlantic and row west by by Remainers. Their Brexit position doesn't please anyone. The reason they're doing well is because it's relatively inoffensive, insofar as Leavers hate the Lib Dems/Labour centrists more than they do the current Labour leadership, and Remainers hate the Conservatives more than they do the current Labour leadership, and Labour is doing everything it can to avoid reminding people they care about Brexit.
 
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CyclopsRock said:
You don't have to think the current guys are doing well in order to think the alternative would be worse.
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Then again, Labour seems to be the preferred party at this moment. So they like Labour and think the Tories are fucking up Brexit, yet they also think Tories are significantly the better party to deal with Brexit.

While this sounds like a view somebody could hold (read: "I think Tories have no idea about what they are doing but I don't care too much about Brexit and I like Labour better"), I don't think the general public is that nuanced or has the attention span/dept of thought to produce such views. I mean, look at the topic of this very thread. It's been firmly established that Brexit happened because of reasons that trascend facts and sensible political discourse.
 
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I think people are forgetting how Theresa May gambled on the electorate having Brexit as their number one priority and it being one of the main reasons she totally botched her campaign. I spoke to UKIP voters on the doorstep who didn't mention Brexit unprompted. UKIP voters! It will probably shoot back up the list of priorities once everyone realises how it's going to absolutely fuck us but it's taking a backseat right now. That's a long way of saying: yeah, I can totally see why people would think Labour wouldn't be great at negotiating Brexit and simultaneously not care.
 
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Labour doesn't really have a very clearly stated position about Brexit outside of not believing in "no deal is better than a bad deal" which is anyhow the logical position for anybody who is capable of rational thinking.

So it makes sense not to trust them on this subject. On the other hand, Tories proposed a lot of hot domestic topics during last campaign and also their behaviour post election was so bad that people would rather vote Labour even if they don't trust them with the Brexit. It's quite logical I think. I think a lot of people see Brexit as an unavoidable disaster at this point.
 
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The thing is, Labour don't have a clear position but the fuckers actually negotiating it are saying entirely different things from day to day as well. The chancellor and the prime minister literally advised two contradictory positions days apart.
 
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The problem with the negotiations is no matter how badly they go, the blame will be directly put on the EU by far too many UK voters. There is always an out for the UK government. EU will be made to look like a bully, not giving the UK a fair deal 'in their minds' because the media will regurgitate whatever quotable headlines the UK politicians say and people will lap that up. Anything and everything going badly will be because the EU too big, powerful, successful and not willing to share with the UK outside of the EU, it's not fair! and don't be surprised to see the excuse being used to mould the UK into something horrible for the majority of the population, politicians, "we had no choice but to do this because the EU wouldn't work with us".
 
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Not really helped that this is basically going in the reverse direction from usual trade negotiations. Instead of both parties trying to gain something - which is nevertheless how I imagine much of the British public will see it - they're trying not to lose things. Except the negotiations are also premised on one of the sides seemingly deciding it does indeed want to lose some of those things, and not properly coming to terms with how those are tied up in other things that they don't want to lose
 
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Tacitus_ said:
Um, it says 45% of the gas used comes from UK production. Am I being hoodwinked here?
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You're not! But I quoted the wrong image, I meant to quote the one below. Russia are our second biggest import location for petroleom products, but our domestic production means they probably aren't the second largest source.

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Then again, Labour seems to be the preferred party at this moment. So they like Labour and think the Tories are fucking up Brexit, yet they also think Tories are significantly the better party to deal with Brexit.

While this sounds like a view somebody could hold (read: "I think Tories have no idea about what they are doing but I don't care too much about Brexit and I like Labour better"), I don't think the general public is that nuanced or has the attention span/dept of thought to produce such views. I mean, look at the topic of this very thread. It's been firmly established that Brexit happened because of reasons that trascend facts and sensible political discourse.
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Welcome to politics, my friend.
 
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KingSnake said:
Given the name of the commentator I think that comment is sarcasm.
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IDK, its something a lot of leavers insist on informing people they have, almost as if they think its fine to talk total bollocks because they've prefaced it with "I talk common sense even if it offends people!"
 
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Comments section on BBC articles that mention Brexit have been dogshit recently but that one seems to avoided the Brexit brigaders attentions so far.
 
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jimbobsmells said:
Comments section on BBC articles that mention Brexit have been dogshit recently but that one seems to avoided the Brexit brigaders attentions so far.
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Was about to say the same thing. Top rated comments on BBC brexit articles tend to be stuff like "Biased Broadcasting Corporation" and "project fear still in operation" but just a quick glance and surprisingly most comments are saying how bad brexit it is going to be. Maybe we've started to reach a turning point.

Referendummies. Nice.
 
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Guardian are reporting that EU fishing boats can still operate in UK waters after Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...l-operate-in-uk-waters-after-brexit-says-gove

Why did people vote to leave again?
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Why is this a problem?

Wichmann said Gove did not make clear whether Danish boats would be able to keep the same quotas or would have them reduced.

Esben Sverdrup-Jensen, head of Denmark's Fish Industries Association, told Jyllands-Posten that while the quotas remained uncertain, it was positive that the UK was ”being constructive and has not slammed the door"

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A Defra spokeswoman said the issue was that the UK would be able to control which foreign ships fished within its territory.

”Leaving the EU means we will take back control of our territorial waters," she said. ”As we have always said, other countries will be able to access our waters – but for the first time in 50 years it will be on our terms and under our control.

”We will allocate quotas on the basis of what is scientifically sustainable, making sure we have a healthy marine environment and profitable fishing industry in the UK."
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