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Vehicle plows into counter protesters in Charlottesville
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sturgboski
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I said the majority of those who voted for him, I am assuming they are the same 40% who still support him. On the flip side I did give leeway for the other demographic of the "fuck you I got mine sect" and the "I want to keep us in the 1950's while all other modern nations pass us by on things like education and renewables." I am not using a precise science here.
Look guys, we just have to accept that it's not all that deplorable to run over anti-Nazis and we'll totally win next time!
Thanks for the advice!
White supremacists? No
Ok with white supremacists? Hell Yeah, that is the story of america
It's a spectrum. There's millions of people that share those views, but even more that share a good portion of them. They just don't go out and wear swastikas in the open. Open racism wasn't a deal-breaker for Trump supporters, it was part of the appeal.
Frozenprince
Banned
Man.
Some of y'all got issues if this is where your mind jumps too.
3 people dead "BUT HER EMAILS THO"
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
Man, you really earned that place in hell didn't you.
It's not the advice given. Look what happened in the public, hell, on here. Every thread dealing with republicans during that time people referred to them as dumb, ignorant, uneducated masses. I said this was unacceptable, this animal needs to be put down, not locked up. I do have two degrees. And the only people I cannot stand are scumbags like this, or those property damaging and looting scum from other protests. Trash comes in many colors, I'm an equal opportunity hater of scumbags. So yeah by that example, if that stance and mindset doesn't change, and they don't target the normal, the demos will lose again.
Frozenprince
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Evil Monkey DTT
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I want you to look at the name of the thread, now I want you to look at what you are talking about. If you don't feel bad after you've done that I don't know what to tell you.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
The taking of THINGS is just as deplorable as the taking of a life. You heard it here, folks!
fluffydelusions
Member
Sadly I doubt anything will happen
Wait, what?
Are you saying the Dems weren't hardline enough on the fucko fascists/racists?
J-Rzez posted some ridiculous shit? I have to say I am quite shocked.
smokeandmirrors
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Two degrees and yet not one of them was able to pull you from the pit of ignorance.
I don't think it is disturbing. It is an editorial slant, for sure. There are at least three rationales for this: 1. They are racist and want to protect the racist, 2. They don't want to offend the racists, and 3. They don't want to stoke the flames of tribalism.
The last one seems most likely and, if this thread is anything to go by, is a very worthwhile thing to do. The driver hasn't had his day in court and some posters are calling out his mother and are saying that the driver is emblamatic of all Trump voters. This tribalism is dangerous. This Manichean thinking is why your political culture is as toxic as it is and is exactly the kind of thinking needed to internally justify running people over with a car.
The US is better than that. If the news is avoiding language that could enflame already highly partisan thinking, that's a good thing.
sturgboski
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If there is a loud condemnation of these folks from all his supporters, maybe, MAYBE I could see trying to understand why else they would vote for Trump and his terrible party (even though all evidence points to "well, fuck the Dems and Hillary, that is all that matters"). Sure, I see tweets from politicians, but I also see tweets from folks still going "both sides" or "its not racist if its our heritage" or "its a soros plant" or "it was antifa" or "its their fault for being there" or "running with idiots you deserve this". Really, fuck that side. This is the time where the Right can, well, do the right then and distance themselves/denounce these actions. However, that hasnt happened at all throughout any of the last year or so and instead its been a doubling down ("we arent PC, get a safeplace snowflake").
I will give that the "deplorables" thing was a bad comment just because it became a rallying call and because the media last year sucked the rating teet kept inviting Trump surrogates with feigned outrage to spread bullshit that mainly supported Hillary's statement.
He probably missed that while preparing his #NotAllCops routine for the next police brutality thread.
Like you actually give a fuck what the Dems do.
You sure do spend a lot of time and effort defending Trump supporters. Says a lot after shit like this that your first priority is going after Dems for being too mean.
excelsiorlef
Member
The assumption that nice = good is one of the greatest aids to oppression.
Was it OK for the other poster to imply that everyone who voted for Trump is "represented" by this individual? It's that mindset that really has to go. I already said what I believe should happen to this individual. But once again someone lumped an entire group of people as racists basically.
As far as Cruz's statement, don't trust the guy. What needs to happen is all, and I mean ALL groups regardless of side needs to be targeted, then one can believe.
Wrong. The first priority I stated before the other comment I didn't agree upon was this animal needs to be eradicated, not locked up, for obvious reasons stated. Nice try.
sturgboski
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I like the "I have two degrees" thing as being used as an air of intellectualism. It makes me think of that "doctor" on Alex Jones *sigh* I should rewatch that Jon Oliver story to pick me up.
Edit: To above -
As I said in my first statement and in subsequent ones, NOT ALL Republicans are represented by this guy. A decent percentage are either through complacency or outright similar actions and attitudes that they proclaim. I did also give room for the folks who voted for their best financial interests (why should my tax dollars go for things to better the general populace when I can better use it to fill my own coffers? or "why tax corporations so much when if we lower taxes they will hire?" which usually doesnt end up that way, I mean historically trickle down has never worked) and folks who are clinging to a time period that has long since passed (marriage equality, rights for protected groups (I think this is the right term, basically minorities, women, LGGTQ, etc), moving away from antiquated energy sources/technologies). I mean its weird to me to be on a site like this and still support a group that wants to trample on net neutrality, Title 2 (I wish Wheeler went for local loop unbundling), internet speed standards, etc. Like one would think a site mainly dedicated to gaming would because against a party so deep in the pocket of the cable lobby their FCC staff is basically working at the cable firms.
Look, to be fair, property is nine-tenths of the law and therefore nine-tenths of moral standing in American society. Don't fuck with a man's lawn-darts setup, don't get fucked with.
Yes, that is very gross shit.
Then one can believe.
Then One Can Believe.
THEN ONE CAN BELIEVE.
You sound like a fucking lunatic. What the fuck are you even talking about?
DrForester
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"I'm not a white supremacist I only vote for them" is not a fucking excuse.
I chuckled.
Frozenprince
Banned
Boo hoo the poor Trump supporters PEOPLE ARE DEAD.
Jesus Christ.
Easily.
Take a fucking chill pill dude, Jesus.
excelsiorlef
Member
Are you seriously saying that folks saying "Trump supporters are accountable for voting a in white supremacist who can't disavow Nazism" have the same type of thinking as what makes Nazis Nazis?
GoldenEye 007
Member
Hey, fuck your couch.
Everyone that voted for Donald Trump either didn't see this coming and is fucking stupid or saw it coming and didn't care.
So bigoted or ignorant, take your pick.
I've spent the past 3 hours trying to summarize my feelings about Charlottesville but I can't.
All the same emotions of anger, defeat, frustration, empathy, anger at others for their lack of empathy, etc. that I felt while watching Ferguson go down are back, and exacerbated.
Today the President of the United States of America could not call a spade a spade. The dog whistle of all dog whistles. Terrorism is a term exclusively for colored perpetrators now, apparently. We have to consider both sides, they say, in perhaps the least ambiguous act of domestic terrorism, hate speech, and prejudice in the new millennium. It's 2017. Donald Trump is the President of the United States. There's a white supremacist, ethnocentrist, violent rally going on with a side of domestic terrorism that getting international attention and the response from authorities relative to Ferguson is miniscule.
I'm not saying anything new either, and that's the really scary part. There is a progressive development, radicalization, and galvanization of white supremacy movements going on that have been energized by Trump. This isn't the last we've seen of it, and frankly, the smartest minds in the world from the social to political scientists don't know what to do and are scrambling to figure it out while they continue to bubble, murder, and oppress according to a dogmatic and self-righteous view of the world.
Humans' capacity for harm hasn't been this salient in the west for a while, but now we're getting reacquainted once again, and it is feeling uncomfortably familiar uncomfortably quickly. Honestly, shit like this really challenges my beliefs in concepts like universal human empathy, critical thinking ability, and conscience. I don't personally believe in inherently bad people, but if there's an argument for it, today's events are a damn good one and have me questioning everything that I think I know.
IDK even know if this is the right thread for this but the car stuff cemented it for me.
In some ways, I fear that in the same way that the gun debate ended with Sandy Hook, the BLM debate may have ended at Ferguson. Or, hell, the coloured lives matter debate may have ended decades to centuries before that.
All the same emotions of anger, defeat, frustration, empathy, anger at others for their lack of empathy, etc. that I felt while watching Ferguson go down are back, and exacerbated.
Today the President of the United States of America could not call a spade a spade. The dog whistle of all dog whistles. Terrorism is a term exclusively for colored perpetrators now, apparently. We have to consider both sides, they say, in perhaps the least ambiguous act of domestic terrorism, hate speech, and prejudice in the new millennium. It's 2017. Donald Trump is the President of the United States. There's a white supremacist, ethnocentrist, violent rally going on with a side of domestic terrorism that getting international attention and the response from authorities relative to Ferguson is miniscule.
I'm not saying anything new either, and that's the really scary part. There is a progressive development, radicalization, and galvanization of white supremacy movements going on that have been energized by Trump. This isn't the last we've seen of it, and frankly, the smartest minds in the world from the social to political scientists don't know what to do and are scrambling to figure it out while they continue to bubble, murder, and oppress according to a dogmatic and self-righteous view of the world.
Humans' capacity for harm hasn't been this salient in the west for a while, but now we're getting reacquainted once again, and it is feeling uncomfortably familiar uncomfortably quickly. Honestly, shit like this really challenges my beliefs in concepts like universal human empathy, critical thinking ability, and conscience. I don't personally believe in inherently bad people, but if there's an argument for it, today's events are a damn good one and have me questioning everything that I think I know.
IDK even know if this is the right thread for this but the car stuff cemented it for me.
In some ways, I fear that in the same way that the gun debate ended with Sandy Hook, the BLM debate may have ended at Ferguson. Or, hell, the coloured lives matter debate may have ended decades to centuries before that.
Yes, and not only that, there are probably millions of moderates who dont "share" the white supremacists ideas but they respect them. So the issue is not only those 50 million, is probably 50+ millions who are supremacists or just don't give a shit.
You summed this up nicely. I had so much too look forward to and enjoy this weekend and this has just fucking completely ruined it.
I have concerns about more attacks on counter-protesters if this was planned or a possible copycat and I worry for all of my American friends especially the ones that have been to demonstrations like this before.
Imperfected
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If you voted for Trump and you aren't too ashamed to admit it at this point, there's something wrong with you, and frankly the assumption that you're just a heartless monster is probably the most polite one of the bunch.
PepsimanVsJoe
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crisdecuba
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Sorry for not replying individually, but this should cover the responses above. Here's my sense of things:
Anyone saying that both sides are bringing equally valid ideas to the table in this situation is flat out wrong. And if they call this the "moderate" position, then I can only see them (at best) as someone looking for an easy answer that doesn't require them to actually take up their own position.
Anyone saying that we ought to reach compromise with Nazi's or white supremacists or KKK members is wrong. And if they call this being a "moderate," then I can only see them (at best) as being completely ignorant or naive, or (at worst) an undercover racist or a racist in denial.
Moderates (and here is where I have to say that this based on everything and everyone *I've* been exposed to in my own life) are people who want to understand the various sides of complex issues, and who want to arrive at well-reasoned, informed conclusions based on the information available (sometimes in conflict with their general ideology). This is the kind of person I try (often unsuccessfully) to be -- resisting my own bias from immediately replacing my ability to take in and consider new information. -- BUT, the notion of white supremacy isn't a "complex issue" -- it's wrong on its face and plainly an evil belief.
So when I look at the comic that basically sets up a spectrum with white supremacists wanting to kill black people on one side, and people demanding equal rights on the other, with "moderates" in the middle asking for compromise, I chafe at it because it misunderstands me and every moderate I know.
The moderates I see on my FB feed are doing things like:
One friend making a blanket statement that white supremacists should unfriend him, saying: "You're not wanted. I'm usually all about exchanging ideas and respecting different opinions because most of them have at least *something* worth listening to, but in this case, no. Your bigotry and chest-beating bring nothing positive, constructive, or worthwhile to the table; as far as I'm concerned, the more you feel alienated or isolated for it, the better."
Another moderate friend, a Christian in this case, sharing an article for Christians to understand what the "alt-right" is and that it must be rejected. It uses Christian language, stating that white supremacy, white nationalism, and white identity all amount to "idolatry of whiteness," that this is detestable and to be rejected by anyone claiming to follow Jesus (the article itself comes from thegospelcoalition.com).
This is representative of what the moderates on my end are doing, and so I chafe at the cartoon. It should just say "naive idiots" as the label in the middle.
DrForester
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https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/896486850973642752
Here's a photo of @Millennial_Matt with Trump and carrying a burning torch in Charlottesville. This isn't complicated.
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