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Marvel's The Defenders *SPOILER THREAD* |OT| Super Friends - August 18th on Netflix

LotusHD

Banned
Jessica would be the only one I'm fine with not learning how to fight, it's not like she gives a fuck about it. Luke though, even though he might think it's useless since he's a walking tank, just do it.

Yea Jessica is fine, though they still need to do better, she has no durability.

Luke at the very least could've done some slap-fu shit in this lmao
 

theWB27

Member
They need to have him take some boxing classes at least. I was fine with it in Luke Cage since it was the first time he was willing to jump into crime fighting and wasnt spending his time training for anything but it was painfully obvious while Daredevil and all the enemies were flipping around around and beating the shit out of them that Luke (and Jessica) need to learn how to actually fight.

I agree with that. I really do wonder about the actor being able to convincingly pull off some choreography.
 

Zomba13

Member
Did Stick just fucking do the You Can't See Me taunt

Nah, he did the "I'm blind, idiot" hand wave.
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Broken Joystick

At least you can talk. Who are you?
Jessica just fucking throwing dudes around was a highlight for me.

In fact I think she's the best part of the team. Krysten nails that role.
 

thsantos

Member
This show would be a lot better if they'd just killed Danny and replaced him with the Punisher for future Defenders lineups. Too bad they didn't.
 

Malyse

Member
I love that Danny got punked by Matt, Jess, and Luke separately and together.

Honestly though, I think that they should cancel IFS2 and have Danny in a recurring role trying to help Luke and *completely* fucking it up.

Also, Defenders made me like Colleen less.
This show would be a lot better if they'd just killed Danny and replaced him with the Punisher for future Defenders lineups. Too bad they didn't.

Better plan:
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I love that Danny got punked by Matt, Jess, and Luke separately and together.

Honestly though, I think that they should cancel IFS2 and have Danny in a recurring role trying to help Luke and *completely* fucking it up.

Also, Defenders made me like Colleen less.

Better plan:
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God, no. AoS is dying but I'd rather let it end great like the last seasons. Season 4 was better than anything not named DDS1.
 

LotusHD

Banned
I suck at making gifs. Thank you btw.

You are welcome.

This show would be a lot better if they'd just killed Danny and replaced him with the Punisher for future Defenders lineups. Too bad they didn't.

Punisher would probably make these shows go a lot quicker lmao

I can see it now, Matt and Luke would chastise him for killing people, then they'd eventually stop giving a fuck just like they did here lol

Also, Defenders made me like Colleen less.

Same, being around actors like Cox and Ritter makes her standout the way Danny did in his show.

Better plan:
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She's too good for them. If someone told me I'd be saying that about Daisy after Defenders came out, I wouldn't believe them.
 
I haven't seen IF so I'm assuming he's wack in that, but Danny fits real good in the eps I've seen so far

Just a colossal punching bag for everyone but he's VIP so they gotta keep the boy around
 

Harmen

Member
Apparently Iron Fist was always gonna get mocked and what not in this; they didn't suddenly change anything due to the poor reception of IF. There was no damage control being done, it was just a happy coincidence. Found that to be amusing.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/08/19/the-defenders-how-iron-fist-backlash-affected-show

At this point I was already convinced Incompetent Fist is written and acted as intended. And it amuses me, moreso than most of this show/season.
 

Malyse

Member
Iron Fist is tonally all wrong.

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Comics Danny is a dork, but he's really likeable. Finn Jones was insufferable.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yeah, Iron Fist is all wrong. He's way too self serious here. The comedy they do derive from him has been the occasional fish out of water gags in his own series, which is fine. And then sometimes they'll play off other people thinking he's crazy. But he's 100% serious about himself and doesn't cut the tension, like comic Danny would do. Netflix Danny doesn't have the social awareness to realize that calling himself The Iron Fist and a living weapon to someone he just met is ridiculous.
 

RedAssedApe

Banned
man...getting yourself served by a blind man must really be a humbling experience. especially for someone calling themselves the living weapon.

the only reason he actually got a hit in on DD was because JJ was in the way. lol
 

brawly

Member
Yeah, Iron Fist is all wrong. He's way too self serious here. The comedy they do derive from him has been the occasional fish out of water gags in his own series, which is fine. And then sometimes they'll play off other people thinking he's crazy. But he's 100% serious about himself and doesn't cut the tension, like comic Danny would do. Netflix Danny doesn't have the social awareness to realize that calling himself The Iron Fist and a living weapon to someone he just met is ridiculous.

Dude is allergic to smiling aswell. Even Cage probably has him beat in that area.
 

RedAssedApe

Banned
in the comics can Danny really only use the IF once and then he needs to take a nap? or is that something they are using here so that he's not OP

it really only seems useful as a distraction so that he can knock people down and then run away lol
 

Sulik2

Member
in the comics can Danny really only use the IF once and then he needs to take a nap? or is that something they are using here so that he's not OP

it really only seems useful as a distraction so that he can knock people down and then run away lol

They really need to have him get better mastery of the iron fist so he can use it more and it's more powerful.
 
This show is a big whopping meh. It occasionally has its moments, and the middle episodes are okay, but boy does it fail to stick any sort of landing. Marvel Netflix fell from grace pretty hard and fast, lol.

Also maybe I blinked, but didn't Misty save Claire? Yet Claire can't be arsed to be at the hospital to say thank you?
 
For Danny to have the happy go lucky dork tone, the show would have had to take an entirely different angle on him, that would've required skipping any origin stuff almost entirely.

Like, the two panels shown above are calm, personal interactions with characters he's extremely close and has years of shared experiences with.

They went a different direction with Neftlix Danny and I can see why considering plans to unite them in The Defenders but whether it was a good idea or not is debatable.

Netflix Danny can get there, but he needs a lot of personal growth. There were shades of it in the Chinese Restaurant though.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
I was really hoping to see Ward when Danny was trying to use his company to find out more about the Hand.
 

caliph95

Member
in the comics can Danny really only use the IF once and then he needs to take a nap? or is that something they are using here so that he's not OP

it really only seems useful as a distraction so that he can knock people down and then run away lol
He uses a lot more whenever he's in trouble and uses both fists

In the comics while brainwashed he was beating the shit out of BP and I think he was wearing armor and gave him brain damage
 
This was really meh. Thank god this was only 8 episodes. Iron Fist is fucking insufferable. And how the fuck was Nobu more a problem than his boss? Hopefully Misty gets her mechanical arm and teams up with Colleen. That whole black sky shit was so fucking stupid. That had to be something made up by the writers.
 

hobozero

Member
- Why did Bakuto survive point blank shots of a handgun?

- Why did no one from the cops or SWAT had a battering ram to open that door?

- Why did Jessica Jones was the one used as bait when Luke Cage actually has bulletproof skin?

- The fingers kept saying that they wanted to go home and that they needed to open that door to do that. Why? There are no portals there, only dragon bone marrow to make them immortal. Are they seriously saying that's the reason? Alexandra was the only one that would die soon, or at least that the story implied. Murakami put himself in danger many times but without the marrow he could still survive if he started taking precautions. Sawande has almost no back story other than the part he talks when he's a prisoner and his introduction.

- Why no one used Judas Bullets against Luke Cage, if the Hand is actually an evil mastermind organization why did no fucking one had a single bullet that could hurt Cage?

- The Hand actually uses ninjas, but where are them? Only appeared during a flashback scene them poof, disappeared like true ninjas.

- Power levels all over the place. Daredevil could hold himself against two fingers, Luke Cage captured one like someone would do with a random goon. Nobu was an underling and smashed DD like he was nothing, and actually had a decent fight in S2.

- Stone from the Chaste. Gone like the wind.

- The cops dropping the charges like nothing happened, even though they had no one to put the blame on. It's not like they captured one finger or had anyone prove what happened there. Misty saw them wanting to blow the whole thing up / the explosives / Bakuto, but did not see the hole or anything else herself, it could just as easy be a fabrication of the group.

- How was Misty able to shoot through the door when it was secured by a bent pipe independent of the lock

- Why does hand immortality work differently every time its on screen
- Harold Meechum - died of cancer, came back, now spontaneously regenerates in swamp
- Hand ninjas - died, have no heartbeats, have autopsy scars
- electra - died, no autopsy scar, revived in jar, no heartbeat
- Hand fingers - some impervious to bullets, but stabbing kills them permanently? Or is it a highlander thing with the heads? and if it is just the head removal that stops them coming back, why is Alexandra worries? also they have heartbeats.

- how Strong is everyone? Luke brushes off punches, then doesn't. Electra fucks up Luke with one kick, but multiple straight shots on DD leave him standing. Danny has to summon the fist to even knock Luke down...

- Fingers want to go back to Kun Lun. Kun Lun has been slaughtered by the Hand as shown in IF. Never explained why having more of the substance would allow them to go back. Why not go back when they HAD substance over the past, say, 1,000 years or so.

- removing dragon bones from under one building in NY will collapse entire parts of the city. Collapse into what? The bones were about a foot thick, ffs.

- why cant the cops get into the skyscraper if only the stairwell door was blocked. And don't say "the building was on lockdown" because a) the hand would WANT the cops to take out the Defenders for them, and b) the entire front entrance is made of GLASS


If people want to say "There are plot holes and the writing is uneven, but my affection for the characters was enough to look past it and I enjoyed it nonetheless" - great! I am super happy for you. I found it hard to look past the flaws, love of Marvel notwithstanding, and I found it below average - and it makes me worry for any future Marvel-Netflix collaborations, as it seems like they aren't willing to invest sufficient budget for decent writers and production design.

Now, we don't need to run the plot holes thing into the ground any further, I think the point is well proven.
 
Iron Fist is tonally all wrong.

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Comics Danny is a dork, but he's really likeable. Finn Jones was insufferable.

These aren't really comparable though. Unless I am missing something wouldn't comics Danny at that point be one of Marvel's most seasoned veterans?

This show is him at the very start with very little experience. I think they have nailed Danny perfectly in that respect.

Do you really think the series would be better off if Danny started off from the outset as a perfect Kung-Fu Gary Stu Billionaire Genius White Savior?
 

caliph95

Member
These aren't really comparable though. Unless I am missing something wouldn't comics Danny at that point be one of Marvel's most seasoned veterans?

This show is him at the very start with very little experience. I think they have nailed Danny perfectly in that respect.

Do you really think the series would be better off if Danny started off from the outset as a perfect Kung-Fu Gary Stu Billionaire Genius White Savior?
What
How do you get there from that
That's not even close to his comic charectization
 

rackham

Banned
Just finished it. The show had way too many problems. I hated the shaky cam for every fight scene. The hallway scene was the best fight and we saw that in a trailer a while ago.

Pretty disappointed with this series.

Also Danny continues to be the worst Iron Fist. He gets his ass kicked in every scene. How was he chosen?
 
They really fucked up The Hand when they deviated from the ninja aspect of it. They should of kept it primarily an evil ninja organization like it was in DD S1.
 
What
How do you get there from that
That's not even close to his comic charectization

I will admit that was a little bit hyperbolic.

In the hands of a great writer, they do manage to build beyond those points but honestly he does fit almost all of those descriptors outside of the 'genius' part I guess.

Kung-Fu Gary Stu- Orphaned White kid raised by secret mystical monks and bestowed their highest honor.

White Savior - See above?

Billionaire - No reasoning needed.

I'm just pointing out that expecting a well-adjusted chill Danny during this point of his life seems kinda silly. They tried to inject a bit of that in the Chinese restaurant scenes, which I thought were well done. The general situation just kept those light-hearted bits to a minimum for obvious reasons.
 

Trago

Member
Just finished.

What a dumpster fire! Didn't feel like the payoff was there at all. DDS1 is still king out of all the Netflix Marvel stuff.
 
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