:/Not only did people assume that was my opinion just because I mentioned it (and it isn't)
Oxigen_Waste said:I do firmly agree with Ultimatum's standing within the serious movie industry.
Oxigen_Waste said:TDK wasn't perfect. But it's an incredibly rich movie which is amazingly directed, written and acted (except for Batman...). Plus, the action is fucking fantastic.
Pretty sure that wasn't what the screenplay was meant to convey at all, but I never saw the original storyboards for that sequence.The language of film clearly meant to show that Thor and Iron Man were roughly equal. If you disagree... I don't know what to say... take a film class?
He dented the armor. Tony's gauntlets still functioned after that. And Thor took some considerable hits himself.
X or Y vs Hulk is irrelevant here.
The language of film clearly meant to show that Thor and Iron Man were roughly equal. If you disagree... I don't know what to say... take a film class?
Anyway, it was a great film overall.
Duckroll, serious advice: go back to your film theory. Remember your understanding of the language of film.
The Thor/Iron-Man duel, in movie language, was meant to portray them as semi-equals. I could list you dozens and dozens of equivalent scenes in other films.
If Whedon wanted to show Thor as a clear cut above Iron Man, he would have done so. He did not.
Note: This is just the movie-verse. The precious comic-verse is unaltered.
Or him going toe to toe with the Hulk, a creature that literally turned the tide of the battle in the film? That didn't show that Thor was above most of the cast, as far as prowess goes?
I fail to understand how anyone can come to this conclusion. Did Weta not do a good enough job on this sequence for you or something?
If they kept going at it, Hulk would've torn him in half.
The language of film shows that if Captain America had not intervened, Thor would have crushed Iron Man.
Let me guess, because we're all kids here right and not involved in the "serious" movie industry?That's the problem here, u guys make connections that aren't there to be made.
Tier rankings:
S tier - Hulk
A tier - Thor, Loki
B tier - Iron Man
C+ tier - Captain America
C tier - Hawkeye, Black Widow
Nope. I thought it was clear that Thor could destroy IM at any moments but that he restrained himself.
Thor was holding back in that fight. It was obvious.
Dude was holding back a bit too.
Fixed cause you forgot him. :'(
Tier rankings:
S tier - Hulk
A tier - Thor, Loki
B tier - Iron Man
C+ tier - Captain America
C tier - Hawkeye, Black Widow
Stark can only last as long as his armor is functional.
Wouldn't Iron Man and Cap be on the same level? And if it wasn't for the suit, Iron Man would be even weaker than Cap.
The language of film shows that if Captain America had not intervened, Thor would have crushed Iron Man. It was a draw only because a sensible third party stepped in and said "stop being dumb or someone is going to get hurt." I can list you dozens and dozens of equivalent scenes in other films.
If Whedon wanted to show Iron Man as an equal to Thor, he would not have shown the suit get degraded so quickly just from Thor giving him a headbutt, or Thor's hands gripping the armor. He could have shown how both characters got back up just as quickly after taking a blow, but he didn't. As the battle went on, it was harder and harder for Tony to get back up, while Thor just bounces back even after behind blasted by a direct laser and crashing right through an entire tree.
Note: This is just the movie-verse. The irrelevant comic-verse does not matter here.
It was a good old fashioned knock-down drag-out. There was nothing even suggesting either hero was holding back in the least.
It really is sounding like we saw different films.Loki is not on Iron Man's tier. IM owned him twice in the film.
Man, what?
I mean, what I got out of the scene was that yes, Thor would have eventually won, as Iron Man was getting worn down. But holding back? Where are you even getting this?
It was a good old fashioned knock-down drag-out. There was nothing even suggesting either hero was holding back in the least.
The funniest thing was the gauntlet crush is just intimidation. Like catching a guy's fist.
Hey, wait a second...that also happened!
C'mon Puddles, just give this one up, or watch the scene again. They're not near-equals, Tony didn't realize what he was going up against and his ego got in his way.
And then Cap arrived.
If it wasn't for the suit, Iron Man wouldn't be Iron Man.
By the way, even if I'm ok with comic logic (and I love the overpowered technology of Iron Man lore), I'm still having a hard time accepting that IM's armor makes him invulnerable. It's ok for it to stop bullets or even tank projectiles (let's say it has a force field or something), but getting thrown into a concrete building that stops you on your tracks should turn your body into pink jelly, armor or not.
It really is sounding like we saw different films.
I've watched the scene a few times now.
To me, it's pretty clear that it's meant to depict an equal fight.
I'm not going to bother arguing against an army of Thor stans though.
Just STFU, dude. You don't add anything to this conversation.
Since the current discussion is going nowhere, I'd just like to add Whedon is a generous soul for having Hemsworth and Renner sleeveless for the entire movie.
Renner needs to work on his Triceps. Those things were laughable.
What exercises do you recommend for killer triceps?
I've watched the scene a few times now.
To me, it's pretty clear that it's meant to depict an equal fight.
I'm not going to bother arguing against an army of Thor stans though.
I've watched the scene a few times now.
To me, it's pretty clear that it's meant to depict an equal fight.
I'm not going to bother arguing against an army of Thor stans though.
There is no more awkward feeling than when you're arguing against a united group of 10-12 people who are all wrong.
Great movie anyway.
I'm not a fan of either and it seemed pretty clear to me Iron Man would have eventually lost. As for being beaten twice, the first one was mentioned already: it was deliberate. Second time,IM just shot the shit out of him with a single blast, but bailed as soon as the gateway opened, so not really a sustained, well leveled fight. Loki was still fine after that.
I'm just someone who can tell when a real ass-whipping is about to begin.
He wasn't even trying.
Okay.
Forget Thor. Let's go with Loki vs Iron Man.
Forget the Comic-verse. We're going only with what was in the movies.
Iron Man vs. Loki, Final Destination.
Is anyone here seriously picking Loki in this fight?