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Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]
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XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Pretty sure that wasn't what the screenplay was meant to convey at all, but I never saw the original storyboards for that sequence.
The language of film shows that if Captain America had not intervened, Thor would have crushed Iron Man. It was a draw only because a sensible third party stepped in and said "stop being dumb or someone is going to get hurt." I can list you dozens and dozens of equivalent scenes in other films.
If Whedon wanted to show Iron Man as an equal to Thor, he would not have shown the suit get degraded so quickly just from Thor giving him a headbutt, or Thor's hands gripping the armor. He could have shown how both characters got back up just as quickly after taking a blow, but he didn't. As the battle went on, it was harder and harder for Tony to get back up, while Thor just bounces back even after behind blasted by a direct laser and crashing right through an entire tree.
Note: This is just the movie-verse. The irrelevant comic-verse does not matter here.
If they kept going at it, Hulk would've torn him in half.
OMG. Amazing movie. Everything! The action sequences were superb, the cast and chemistry between them was superb, even the dialogue was superb. It's usually either obscenely cheesy (Spider-Man) or obscenely serious (Batman) for these comic book movies, but Avengers nailed that nice balance of the first Iron Man movie, and better.
I'm impressed at how every character, despite there being a lot of characters, was nicely developed and given near equal time in the spotlight (TAKE NOTES, Hunger Games). I think the weakest was Loki, which sometimes hinged a bit on the Thor backstory (in regards to the relationship between Thor and Loki), but it was nothing serious.
And the scene after the credits? Perfect.
This movie deserves the opening weekend record.
I'm impressed at how every character, despite there being a lot of characters, was nicely developed and given near equal time in the spotlight (TAKE NOTES, Hunger Games). I think the weakest was Loki, which sometimes hinged a bit on the Thor backstory (in regards to the relationship between Thor and Loki), but it was nothing serious.
And the scene after the credits? Perfect.
This movie deserves the opening weekend record.
Oxigen_Waste
Banned
So now I automatically think TDK is one of the 2 best action films of the decade? That's the problem here, u guys make connections that aren't there to be made. I agree with the poll on Ultimatum, but not on TDK. Is it a good movie? Yes, it is.Is it one of the best? Not even by a long shot.
Nope. I thought it was clear that Thor could destroy IM at any moments but that he restrained himself.
The point is, Hulk would have ripped Stark into pieces much sooner than he would have Thor. Thor can take shots from the Hulk, and even hold him back to an extent. Stark can only last as long as his armor is functional.
Just saying that Thor is much closer in equivalency to Hulk than he is to Iron Man.
This is an inference without support from the actual film.
Regardless, there are better things to do than discuss the outcome of a hypothetical battle in which Cap had not intervened.
TheKaeptain
Banned
WTF...
Thor was holding back in that fight. It was obvious. The head butt seals it.
Thor was holding back in that fight. It was obvious. The head butt seals it.
la flama blanca
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Duckroll is right, Thor was clearly ready and able to pummel Iron Man, you can even see it in his facial expressions. Dude was holding back a bit too.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Let me guess, because we're all kids here right and not involved in the "serious" movie industry?
Fixed cause you forgot him. :'(
Man, what?
I mean, what I got out of the scene was that yes, Thor would have eventually won, as Iron Man was getting worn down. But holding back? Where are you even getting this?
It was a good old fashioned knock-down drag-out. There was nothing even suggesting either hero was holding back in the least.
How can I forget the leader of the team lol.
Wouldn't Iron Man and Cap be on the same level? And if it wasn't for the suit, Iron Man would be even weaker than Cap.
Alx
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By the way, even if I'm ok with comic logic (and I love the overpowered technology of Iron Man lore), I'm still having a hard time accepting that IM's armor makes him invulnerable. It's ok for it to stop bullets or even tank projectiles (let's say it has a force field or something), but getting thrown into a concrete building that stops you on your tracks should turn your body into pink jelly, armor or not.
If it wasn't for the suit, Iron Man wouldn't be Iron Man.
crimsonspider89
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He hit him once at the end which shook Loki and Loki lost to him on purpose at the beginning to get captured. He was a distraction for Hawkeye to get the material to stabilize the portal generator.
Boombloxer
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The funniest thing was the gauntlet crush is just intimidation. Like catching a guy's fist.
Hey, wait a second...that also happened!
C'mon Puddles, just give this one up, or watch the scene again. They're not near-equals, Tony didn't realize what he was going up against and his ego got in his way.
And then Cap arrived.
I am now wondering if we watched the same movie.
Thor does not press his advantage. He counters all of Stark's stuff swiftly with increasing damage. The one time he gets angry, he gives a headbutt that sends Tony flying with a dented helmet. He doesn't race into the sky, call a storm, throw his hammer through Stark's body, or simply put his hammer on his chest. All of the things he's done in his own film.
Instead, he tried to intimdate Stark as first, and when that doesn't work, was about to go to work.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
It really is sounding like we saw different films.
TheKaeptain
Banned
I can't believe people are making me defend this movie.
There are a few times during the fight that Thor just has this look on his face. It's like a person that keeps getting bothered by a bug or annoying child. He isn't angry or even in discomfort. He's just annoyed by Iron Man's attempts at trying to stop him. When he crushes his arms and head butts him that was his way of telling Iron Man that he was above him.
I've watched the scene a few times now.
To me, it's pretty clear that it's meant to depict an equal fight.
I'm not going to bother arguing against an army of Thor stans though.
Just STFU, dude. You don't add anything to this conversation.
Yeah I'm gonna have to agree, like when Iron Man crushed Thor's arm. Wait.
TheKaeptain
Banned
I've seen the movie twice now. Loki let Iron Man beat him just because he wanted to get captured. Same reason he didn't run away when Thor, IM, and CA were bickering.
Why are you so angry at the one guy who actually worked on the film here, and would have even more insight than most people on the actual intents of the filmmakers?
TheKaeptain
Banned
Since the current discussion is going nowhere, I'd just like to add Whedon is a generous soul for having Hemsworth and Renner sleeveless for the entire movie.
Renner needs to work on his Triceps. Those things were laughable.
What exercises do you recommend for killer triceps?
Fighting Thor daily.
I'm not a fan of either and it seemed pretty clear to me Iron Man would have eventually lost. As for being beaten twice, the first one was mentioned already:
it was deliberate. Second time, IM just shot the shit out of him with a single blast, but bailed as soon as the gateway opened, so not really a sustained, well leveled fight. Loki was still fine after that.
Boombloxer
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Except, I'm not a Thor guy.
I'm just someone who can tell when a real ass-whipping is about to begin.
He wasn't even trying.
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IronMan head but wiggles Thors head. Thor head but throws Iron Man several feet.
Yea, that seems equal.
Holy shit what a great movie. Audience was pretty active actually. The part where
killed us. Great balance between action and social interaction. I was thinking it'd be just some Michael Bay-like film but damn was I wrong.
Hulk interrupts Loki + leaves him with a traumatized look on his face
Okay.
Forget Thor. Let's go with Loki vs Iron Man.
Forget the Comic-verse. We're going only with what was in the movies.
Iron Man vs. Loki, Final Destination.
Is anyone here seriously picking Loki in this fight?
Thor: I know something you do not know.
Iron Man: Yeah?
Thor: I am not left-handed. *flips Mjolnir to right hand*
Items on or off?
cutmeamango
Banned
The movie just showed that human creations like armors are capable of giving almost equal footing to a 'god'. But it shows too that it is a dangerous game since armors get damaged and if you are caught without it, it is troublesome.
If anything the last scene only proves how balanced they can be on own terms.
If anything the last scene only proves how balanced they can be on own terms.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Are we talking about scepter Loki or normal trickster Loki?
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