Joe Shlabotnik
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He would still know her nearest whereabouts better than anyone except Arya herself.
He's already withholding the information that Arya is missing from Tywin, technically.
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He would still know her nearest whereabouts better than anyone except Arya herself.
He's already withholding the information that Arya is missing from Tywin, technically.
SerArthurDayne
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Um, it totally makes sense.
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The fuck would he give them a real Arya when he is planning to get his hands on Sansa?
Diunxx: Regret that I can't read that, as I'm in the middle of AFFC. I trust it has knowledge that completely spanks my view, so I'll withdraw my comments, haha.
Oh I personally know where it's probably going. I'm just wondering if there was a tip-off in that actual shot that I missed, for the benefit of viewers.
Oh I personally know where it's probably going. I'm just wondering if there was a tip-off in that actual shot that I missed, for the benefit of viewers.
You act like he has any reason to anticipate a little girl is going to run off into the middle of a battlefield currently controlled by an opposing army when she could stay safe in one place. Why would he expect her to not remain at Harrenhal?
And I didn't suggest he'd be strong arming Tywin; it's Tyrion he's been interacting with directly regarding an exchange of Arya and Sansa for Jaime. Tyrion knows Littlefinger is greedy and he wouldn't have chosen to work with the man if he didn't expect to have to pay up.
I mean, I'm not even sure why we're arguing this. He really obviously noticed it was her, the actor reacted to it. People can argue it's a poor character choice if they like but it's in keeping with the first episode of the season where Littlefinger explicitly said that knowledge is power and can be used as a weapon -- to which Cersei suggested such impulses could be his undoing -- so, sure, maybe it's not smart, but it's definitely in keeping with how Littlefinger is being portrayed this season on the show.
Besides, anything to have another excuse to possibly go see Cat, right?
Joe Shlabotnik
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He also follows her with his eyes as she leaves while simultaneously bringing up the subject of Tyrion's offer to Catelyn.
Totally, exactly.
No idea if this is true but I think he suspects who she is now and will confirm it next episode. I just can't think that they want us to think he'd be dumb enough not to notice.
Basileus777
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What happens when Tywin leaves Harrenhal? Is he going to bring his cup bearer around with him? There are many possibilities for Arya to leave, hell the reason she is there in the first place is because she fled from King's Landing. And Petyr would know that Arya recognized him, for all he knows she gets scared and flees because of that fact.
It's being argued because the knowledge is useless if isn't being used right then and there.
SerArthurDayne
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And it is useless to him to use it right then and there.
Risk vs. reward people. Come on. He might risk gaining nothing to gain something huge. Or he can turn her over and guarantee that it does him no good.
Risk vs. reward people. Come on. He might risk gaining nothing to gain something huge. Or he can turn her over and guarantee that it does him no good.
'Right then and there' can be extended to next episode, which could happen only an hour after this one for all we know. I just don't see why it's tough to believe that he'd sit on the knowledge for just a bit to figure out the best course of action. He wouldn't be the type to leap up and declare her identity the moment he spied her.
diunxx
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umm no it doesn't make a lick of sense
what would he gain by leaving Arya there? small folks drop like flies, what would guarantee that she will still be alive by the time LF needs that card?
and by giving her up he would gain even more favor from the Lannisters which is what he needs now to get to his endgame, it makes absolutely no sense to leave Arya abandoned especially in a place that is in the watch of the fucking mountain when Twynn isn't there.
and by giving her up he would gain even more favor from the Lannisters which is what he needs now to get to his endgame, it makes absolutely no sense to leave Arya abandoned especially in a place that is in the watch of the fucking mountain when Twynn isn't there.
thestopsign
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I'm honestly on the edge of my seat while watching these episodes because I don't recognize half of what is happening. Not sure if this is because of the showrunners taking it in a new direction on like every story line or my shitty memory.
I knew that some of my favorite scenes in the book would be in this episode. I knew there would be changes coming. I expected that I would be complaining a lot right now but no, it was all better than I could have hoped for. I would say it's easily the best episode of the season and may be better than any from the first season.
Cok regarding differences between book and show
No gratuitous nudity and sex for the third week in the row. No Ros for the second week in a row. A clear sign that things are getting better.
Cok regarding differences between book and show
Dany's story was boring and uneventful in CoK. That addition was sorely needed.
Arya picking Amory Lorch is so much better than her picking Chiswyck because she heard about him doing something to some woman.
Holy shit, Littlefinger is in Harranhal. That provided tension even to book readers.
Bolton's bastard IS in it and will be going to Winterfall. I knew it had to be him. I said nothing else made sense.
Arya picking Amory Lorch is so much better than her picking Chiswyck because she heard about him doing something to some woman.
Holy shit, Littlefinger is in Harranhal. That provided tension even to book readers.
Bolton's bastard IS in it and will be going to Winterfall. I knew it had to be him. I said nothing else made sense.
No gratuitous nudity and sex for the third week in the row. No Ros for the second week in a row. A clear sign that things are getting better.
Basileus777
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It's not useless to him there. Littlefinger is trying to make the Lannisters indebted to him and earn a reward, (ACOK Spoilers)
which is what he achieves with the Margaery marriage.
I agree with this, we'll see what happens next week. It might all work out, I'm sure they didn't have Littlefinger see Arya for no reason.
diunxx
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That little girl already ran off to the middle of a battlefield unless LF believes she was teleported to the trident by a fairy.
SerArthurDayne
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Okay, first you are conflating the book with the show. What his intentions are in the show are not yet clear, assuming that he recognized her at all (likely).
Second, all he would get is a pat on the head, which does him no good.
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He already has Sansa. Arya is essentially meaningless to his plans. She might be useful in alternative plans, but she would actually be a detriment to his own plans for Winterfell if she were known to be alive.
He can hold this knowledge in reserve for an hour or to until he decides what benefits him best. That may be telling Tywin, or it may be doing nothing, and hoping that she stays and survives. The risk may be worth the reward.
He can hold this knowledge in reserve for an hour or to until he decides what benefits him best. That may be telling Tywin, or it may be doing nothing, and hoping that she stays and survives. The risk may be worth the reward.
Yeah, it will totally get him a pat on the head. And it will make Catelyn feel nice, if she didn't already believe she was held captive safely in King's Landing. So I guess there is that.
And this is not to say that is not what he will choose to do. He is just taking time to consider his options. He may decide a pat on the head is the best bet.
Basileus777
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The Lannisters give him Harrenhal for his services and you call it a pat on the head. Much better to keep Arya a secret for no apparent reason with no hope for gain, that'd be clever.
And what plans for Sansa? She's Joffrey's captive and Robb, Bran, and Rickon are still alive, she isn't all that useful.
diunxx
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Like I said he is the one that comes up with the fake Arya plan, so how can you say that she is meaningless to his plans?
and the Lannisters have proved time and time again that they pay their friends with much more than a pat in the head, Tyrion promised him a lordship to help him get his brother and do you honestly thing that the father will just give him a pat in the head for giving him someone that will make negotiations for his son muuuuuuch more easier?
and the Lannisters have proved time and time again that they pay their friends with much more than a pat in the head, Tyrion promised him a lordship to help him get his brother and do you honestly thing that the father will just give him a pat in the head for giving him someone that will make negotiations for his son muuuuuuch more easier?
williamsan
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Excellent episode! I laughed a lot, and was impressed throughout. The riot was done very well (looooled at the arm being pulled off the man), Sandor action was fucking brutal, Arya's eyes when Baelish walks into the room were hilarious. Hip wiggling was good too haha
Halfway done?
Halfway done?
SerArthurDayne
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Lannisters give him Harrenhall for winning the war for them. Arya is useless as anything but a mediocre hostage. Robb doesn't care, the North doesn't care. She only matters because Cat is crazy, and believes she is a hostage. See how her actually not being a hostage didn't change anything?
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See above. Arya is useless for negotiations. This is true for the show and the book.
I really don't understand how you don't get that using Sansa to take Wintefell is easier when he can expose Jeyne as a fake. If Arya is a legit Stark, his job is much more difficult. Real Arya is bad for his plans. Fake Arya is better.
I really don't understand how you don't get that using Sansa to take Wintefell is easier when he can expose Jeyne as a fake. If Arya is a legit Stark, his job is much more difficult. Real Arya is bad for his plans. Fake Arya is better.
God damn, I thought Amory Lorch was the Lannister that speared Lommy through the throat three episodes ago. Who was that?
Come to think of it, that must've just been a Gold Cloak.
No. Four episodes left.
Color me amped that this episode opened with the panic of Winterfell, in media res.
Come to think of it, that must've just been a Gold Cloak.
No. Four episodes left.
Color me amped that this episode opened with the panic of Winterfell, in media res.
SerArthurDayne
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I'm pretty sure it was Polliver.
Gotcha.
I can't wait to reread these books again. Never thought I would, but it's a given now.
Basileus777
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Littlefinger doesn't have any plans to use Sansa to take Winterfell at the moment. Robb, Bran, and Rickon are alive and Sansa is Joffrey's captive. Robb could very well have children with his Frey wife. Sansa isn't anymore useful than Arya at this point.
If i had to take a guess (also non book reader) I'd wager it was Hall of the Undying. No other faction in Qarth has been presented other than three we've seen on screen. I suppose it could be a unknown faction, but I doubt it.
I noticed the makeup on his face was a lot better this episode. He turned around in that one shot, and I said "Holy shit, that is awesome." Glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
SerArthurDayne
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Not entirely true, but fair enough. Most of my response was regarding the argument that diunxx was making. I think you are not giving him enough credit for long term contingency planning though.
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He was always planning on taking Sansa. See Dontos
I will stop shitting up the thread though. If you guys have any further thoughts lets take it to the other thread.
diunxx
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I'm pretty sure having an extra Stark would be extremely useful in case I don't know the other one gets gang raped and murdered in a riot or something.
bodyofanamerican
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I just pictured more trees north of the Wall, not barren mountains. Not to say the cinematography isn't fucking beautiful in those scenes.
The scene with Ygritte definitely took place at night in the book. I'm kind of disappointed that we missed the mountain scaling in the dead of night, creeping up on the wildlings, etc. This whole season has felt even more rushed than the first.
oh man, I just LOVED this episode and I don't give a FUCK about the deviations from the book... but I couldn't help to feel excited when (ACOK/ASOS)
. Ohhhh yeaaaaaaaah, that part of the story needs to be done.
I also loved Tyrion being the awesome guy he always is by slapping that little shit Joffrey and screaming at him. He deserved that. Repeatedly.
Also, Sansa's pseudo-rape scene was great, and that includes the Hound saving her from the mob.
Tywin and Arya's scenes were also awesome, they have great chemistry together, and Charles Dance is such an imposing figure. And then, the Littlefinger scene was filled with tension and suspense, wonderfully done. I don't know what to think about Amory Lorch's death - I mean, it was nice and all but (and I think I'm being a bit of a hypcrite now) (ALL BOOKS SPOILERS!!)
. Oh well, we've still got plenty of time for that.
Jon and Ygritte scenes were nice but I don't remember much of how it went down in the books. I was also waiting to hear a certain phrase that was already posted in here, heh...
And, lastly, I'm liking Dany's scenes this season, especially because her chapters in ACOK were a bore (save for two). I wonder what will happen next... (LATE ACOK SPOILERS)
So yeah... great fucking episode.
EDIT: I forgot!! I have to say that Alfie Allen is nailing Theon so far. He's perfect in the role and he totally sold me his inner turmoil in this episode. He was pathetic and despicable by his actions, but we can also know that he's not entirely convinced by what he's doing.
Roose Bolton told Robb about "his bastard"
I also loved Tyrion being the awesome guy he always is by slapping that little shit Joffrey and screaming at him. He deserved that. Repeatedly.
Also, Sansa's pseudo-rape scene was great, and that includes the Hound saving her from the mob.
Tywin and Arya's scenes were also awesome, they have great chemistry together, and Charles Dance is such an imposing figure. And then, the Littlefinger scene was filled with tension and suspense, wonderfully done. I don't know what to think about Amory Lorch's death - I mean, it was nice and all but (and I think I'm being a bit of a hypcrite now) (ALL BOOKS SPOILERS!!)
I wonder if they're gonna put the Bloody Mummers and the bear in Harrenhal next season, considering Lorch was eaten by a bear in the books
Jon and Ygritte scenes were nice but I don't remember much of how it went down in the books. I was also waiting to hear a certain phrase that was already posted in here, heh...
And, lastly, I'm liking Dany's scenes this season, especially because her chapters in ACOK were a bore (save for two). I wonder what will happen next... (LATE ACOK SPOILERS)
I hope they do the House of the Undying justice. Best Daenerys moment in the book by far.
So yeah... great fucking episode.
EDIT: I forgot!! I have to say that Alfie Allen is nailing Theon so far. He's perfect in the role and he totally sold me his inner turmoil in this episode. He was pathetic and despicable by his actions, but we can also know that he's not entirely convinced by what he's doing.
She escaped from King's Landing in the midst of chaos of confusion. Now she's literally at the hard of the Lannister armed forces. Not really remotely similar circumstances.
But this ignores a big part of Littlefinger's motivations as a character: (series)
he wants to fuck Cat and if he can't do that, he'll father and eventually fuck the daughter that looks most like her. Arya is not and never will be that girl.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Cornballer
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- A bunch of quick bonus features for tonight's episode on youtube
I'm assuming these are from the interactive features on the HBO Go version of tonight's episode(?)
I'm assuming these are from the interactive features on the HBO Go version of tonight's episode(?)
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Great episode, but damn did we lose Irri. I thought she was hotter than Doreah.
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hahaha
it is known.
Alright. I read COK a year ago, and clearly some things have escaped me.
Mention of Roose's bastard seems to have ignited some serious fire within some of you. Why have I totally forgotten who he is? Tag as appropriate. I've only read through SOS.
I swear I only retain about 3/4 of names/events from these books, having only read them once.
Mention of Roose's bastard seems to have ignited some serious fire within some of you. Why have I totally forgotten who he is? Tag as appropriate. I've only read through SOS.
I swear I only retain about 3/4 of names/events from these books, having only read them once.
Not really a spoiler but [ASoS]
You know nothing
About that spoiler,
did Ygritte ever say it in ACoK?
He's
"Reek"
JordoftheDead
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(LATE ACOK spoilers!!!)
He's the one who pretended to be "Reek" and then betrayed Theon and burned Winterfell
bodyofanamerican
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She does not
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un33dab@dpu$$y
Wha?
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Ramsay Bolton dude. The guy who takes Winterfell back from Theon then tortures him and is an all around jerk.
Also Littlefinger totally recognized Arya and there's perfectly logical reasons why he wouldn't tell Tywin.
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He's playing his own game guys. He has no great need of Tywin's approval. While Arya's out and about she's chaos. Littlefinger loves chaos.
edit: Also, why do the scenes with Theon always get the best music?
Christ, I don't even remember who
Reek
Tell me about it. Rewatching it now, the intro scene of this episode is so powerful.
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