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[Theonik]

GameCube was cheaper than PS2?

Dreamcast is almost its own generation, and it won that.

By $100 no less. Xbox and PS2 were at $299 and Gamecube was at $199. And yet, Gamecube was in third place. Price isn't really a lone factor to determine sales of a product.

 

[jeff_rigby]

WHAT A PLAYSTATION 3 HARDWARE REVISION MIGHT MEAN

There are persistent rumours around refined motion control systems and by now you’ve probably all seen the concept sketches that seem to show a Sony system working in a similar way to Kinect. Better cameras, gesture and voice recognition software makes that vision a very real possibility but not necessarily in a new full generation of gaming hardware. With a slight revision to hardware and some new camera technology, they could catch up with Microsoft’s lucrative (if unpopular for some) motion control market and help pioneer gesture controlled television and video conferencing before Apple’s much assumed arrival in that arena.

Sony isn’t only in the business of selling games and game hardware – they’re a massive company with fingers in many pies. They could tie a lot of their business arms – including developments they’ve made in streaming media, television, internet technologies and communication – together with a slight revision to the PlayStation 3 hardware. That product could have mass appeal far beyond what the PlayStation 3 is currently capable of.

Oct 26, 2011 Sony Depth Camera patent filed
Nov 7, 2011 OpenMax IL 1.2 announced to professionals with APIs
Feb 16, 2012 Sony Depth Camera patent published
Feb 14, 2012 Khronos publishes to public OpenMax IL 1.2

My opinion is Sony plans to use this depth camera with the NEW PS3. Filed the patent as soon as standards were in place and published the patent as soon as standards were published to the public. Why, for gesture recognition and casual control of the browser as well as better Augmented Reality.

The end goal is not to drive down prices but to sell more PS3s into peoples homes so they buy more games and use PSN services. If that can be done with a cheaper PS3 then cheap it will be but Roku and Apple TV boxes are under $100. What they can't do is offer local accurate Voice or gesture recognition or features that require the POWER in a game console compared to a thin client.

Wait till you see what can be done with WebGL, HTML5 apps and Augmented Reality on the/from the XMB.

Pocket-lint is starting to wonder if that really is the case. Is the next-generation machine really going to be called PS Orbis? Or could that actually be the working title for an entirely different product - a rival to Microsoft's Kinect, perhaps?

New evidence uncovered by gaming website Kotaku leads us to favour the latter, even though many sites are claiming it's further proof of the former.

My guess is Orbis is the code name for a suite of games and applications that use the PS eye and/or a new Depth sensing Eye camera and would also include the use of the Vita and handheld devices with cameras and screens to include PS Suite platforms. Augmented reality would be one possible use.

It's also possible that the name for the new 4000 series PS3 is Orbis. IF you look back through Model series, 3000 started with PS3 firmware 3.0 which added CEC and 4000 is starting with Firmware 4.X, what will it add?

 

[RiverBed]

Unless otherwise proven, I take this news as meaning internal adjustment and not outer cosmetic ones. Every PS console got almost half a dozen revisions, but not all of them translated to outer looks.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Jeff, the more HW improvements they pack into a supposed PS3.5 the less incentives they give to users to buy PS4. I do not think the main console business can move to yearly updates the way smartphones do.

 

[Vinterbird]

Jeff, the more HW improvements they pack into a supposed PS3.5 the less incentives they give to users to buy PS4. I do not think the main console business can move to yearly updates the way smartphones do.

This, plus coming out of E3 the word Orbis has been used in reference to new, better, hardware not related to PS3. There's no way Sony is going to launch a Kinect clone a year out from launching their next console.

 

[Hanmik]

Jeff this song is for you..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYnFIRc0k6E

just keep on Rollin´ dude..!

 

[Noisepurge]

By $100 no less. Xbox and PS2 were at $299 and Gamecube was at $199. And yet, Gamecube was in third place. Price isn't really a lone factor to determine sales of a product.

DVD playback killed the Gamecube.

 

[ShinobiFist]

Freaking Jeff on digging up info.

 

[AbandonedTrolley]

Jeff, the more HW improvements they pack into a supposed PS3.5 the less incentives they give to users to buy PS4. I do not think the main console business can move to yearly updates the way smartphones do.

I don't think that the improvements will be to things like graphics etc. More likely they may switch to USB3 to allow more power and bandwidth for the cameras etc. The PlayStation Eye really does need a new revision and if they need to improve the USB ports then I can see them doing that with the newer machines, similar to how the Kinect came with a power brick for older models or a dedicated port in the revised 360.

 

[mrklaw]

A new ps3 will be smaller and cheaper to make. *if* (a big if) Sony want improved camera stuff, that needs a new pseye which has nothing to do with ps3 hardware, it would need to sell as an accessory to everyone else too. Perhaps it might have a faster USB port if data is an issue, but I doubt it.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I don't think that the improvements will be to things like graphics etc. More likely they may switch to USB3 to allow more power and bandwidth for the cameras etc. The PlayStation Eye really does need a new revision and if they need to improve the USB ports then I can see them doing that with the newer machines, similar to how the Kinect came with a power brick for older models or a dedicated port in the revised 360.

Again, an improved PSEye is a good thing you can save for PS4 at this point in PS3's life.

 

[Takao]

They should start bundling Vitas with them.

 

[gogogow]

still no sata2/3 and wifi n :-(

That's pretty sad. I actually expected the original PS3 slim to have draft n. Cech-2000, 3000, both nothing, now 4000 also nothing. Quite dissapointing.

The Xbox 360 Slim 250gb version has draft n built in, right? Pretty awesome job by MS. The overpriced wireless b/g adapter I got for my Jasper not so much...

 

[jeff_rigby]

Jeff, the more HW improvements they pack into a supposed PS3.5 the less incentives they give to users to buy PS4. I do not think the main console business can move to yearly updates the way smartphones do.

From the Software and Standards side we will have support for Augmented Reality and a Full browser by Sept of this year which Khronos states is the target date for AR. OpenMax IL 1.2 was delayed from 2008 till Nov 2011 at which point the Memory management issues known for Gstreamer-Openmax since 2006 are resolved and New Camera APIs were released. The same month (within days) Sony Published their 2003 Depth camera patent, Khronos releases OpenMax IL 1.2 APIs to their members at a meeting in Korea. Khronos publishes this in their website (OpenMax IL 1.2) and the News Press publishes Sony's Depth Camera patent.

OpenMAX IL 1.2 Capabilities

The new OpenMAX IL 1.2 provisional specification includes the following improvements:

The introduction of dynamic buffer allocation, in addition to statically pre-announced buffers, to enable the usage of OpenMAX IL in a wider range of frameworks;
Improvements in robustness of the graph management, such as the elimination of possible race conditions, and the ability to cancel pending commands to avoid deadlocks;
Additional in-band signaling, and event types, ensuring more efficient integration;
The ability to group and commit multiple configuration settings atomically to ensure change of configuration without visible glitches;
Enhanced reference clock selections, and media time notification mechanism for better audio / video synchronization. The above is for frameworks like Gstreamer-OpenMax, now in Gstreamer 1.0 now at RC3

The new OpenMAX IL 1.2 specification also widens the number of standard components to include audio and video technologies such as:

3D Audio Mixers; Done with Firmware 3.7
AMR WB+ Decoder\Encoder;
Extended WMA and AMR formats;
VC1 Video Decoder\Encoder;
VP8 Video Decoder\Encoder;
NAL Format support.

The OpenMAX IL 1.2 camera component is also updated with the following advanced capabilities:

Enhanced Focus Range, Region and Status support;
Field of View controls;
Flash status reporting;
ND Filter support;
Assistant Light Control support;
Flicker Rejection support;
Histogram information;
Sharpness control;
Ability to synchronize shutter opening and closing events with audio playback.

There is no reason to publish a Console Depth Camera patent at this time if it's only for a PS4 which is 16 months away. File additions yes but NOT TO PUBLISH.

This was predictable and is the reason the 9/2010 Microsoft Powerpoint has a Xbox 361 released for this season. The money to be made in AR and XTV!

Pointed out by: danhese007 is the following. The patent was filed in 2003 and they wait to publish it till late 2011, days before the Seoul Korea Khronos meeting.

Inventors:
Marks, Richard (Foster City, CA, US)
Application Number:
10/448614
Publication Date:
12/06/2011
Filing Date:
05/29/2003

Richard, We already use AES for HLS which is OK for most iOS devices but far too unsecure for most rights owners that require Playready. So we choose SmoothStreaming for that.
BUT, the results in term of feeling for the end user is very poor in Smoothstreaming compared to HLS. We tried everything: various GOP, various encoder, various streamers (even with
IIS Media Services). We put varnish cache in front of streamer, same thing. HLS is better than Smoothstreaming, there's no discution about it.

Moreover, the new devices that are coming in 2012 (Samsung TV, PS3 WebMAF, LG TV, etc...) will all have HLS and Playready capabilities. So why don't we use the better of the two
world : HLS + Playready !

So for us, it will be great to be able to unlock the DRM mecanism to use it with HLS...

What's your feeling about that ?

Developer - JavaScript, MVC, CSSPosted08/06/2012 (09:27)Agency/EmployerEurobase PeopleDescription
Developer - JavaScript, MVC, CSS

I am seeking a Developer with strong Javascript application development skills, with some experience in developing Playstation/PS3 media applications, to join a fast growing and game console development team.

Essential Skills

-Javascript application development, preferably with an MVC framework (Backbone, knockout, Angular etc.)
-Javascript unit testing, preferably using -Cucumber/Gherkin or TestSwarm
-CSS 3
-Good written and verbal communication skills in English

Desirable Skills

-Playstation Network/PS3 development with Webkit browser & WebMAF framework
-Movie playback on PS3 with DRM encoding
-Javascript framerworks, eg JQuery, Angular, browsercap
-Playstation Network
-Experience of consuming RESTful services and JSON
-Experience working with bug management and source control system

Javascript Developer
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe
Public Company; 1001-5000 employees; Computer Games industry
October 2011 – Present (10 months) London, United Kingdom

Working to deliver application frameworks in standalone JavaScript environments as well as for HTML5 based Web Apps.

During my time at the BBC I designed and built a modular JavaScript-based device-abstraction and GUI framework for use across all the BBC's current and future HTML-based Smart TV applications. I've built similar frameworks for Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, and now for zeebox.

Specialties
Languages: JavaScript, Java, C#, Objective-C, C++, PHP, Perl.
CE Device Platforms: HbbTV, CE-HTML, PlayStation 3 WebMAF, Samsung SmartTV, LG NetCast, Panasonic Smart VIERA, iOS, Android.

Mozilla Application Framework WebMAF framework

The Mozilla application framework is a collection of cross-platform software components that make up the Mozilla applications. It was originally known as XPFE, an abbreviation of cross-platform front end. It was also known as XPToolkit. To avoid confusion, it is now best referred to as the Mozilla application framework.

While similar to generic cross-platform application frameworks like GTK+, Qt and wxWidgets, the intent is to provide a subset of cross-platform functionality suitable for building network applications like web browsers, leveraging the cross-platform functionality already built into the Gecko layout engine.

Gecko was used in the OLPC Sugar interface and Google used it to create Picasa. Samsung TV uses QTwebkit and Sony uses a modified GTKwebkit.

HAL HTTP Live Streaming

HTTP Live Streaming (also known as HLS) is an HTTP-based media streaming communications protocol implemented by Apple Inc. as part of their QuickTime X and iPhone software systems. It works by breaking the overall stream into a sequence of small HTTP-based file downloads, each download loading one short chunk of an overall potentially unbounded transport stream. As the stream is played, the client may select from a number of different alternate streams containing the same material encoded at a variety of data rates, allowing the streaming session to adapt to the available data rate. At the start of the streaming session, it downloads an extended M3U (m3u8) playlist containing the metadata for the various sub-streams which are available.

Since its requests use only standard HTTP transactions, HTTP Live Streaming is capable of traversing any firewall or proxy server that lets through standard HTTP traffic, unlike UDP-based protocols such as RTP. This also allows a Content delivery network to easily be implemented for any given stream.

Playready DRM from Microsoft.

I'm not just wild guessing, there are industry trends that have no other conclusion. Once you understand that EVERYONE has been planning for this, all the delays and leaks are for this time period from now till 2016 when 800 million new internet connected Living ROOM platforms are sold. That makes a total of 900 million potential customers buying media and games by 2016. Ecosystem was a buzz word in 2010, it will be fully implemented in Next generation Game consoles and partially supported this generation; Smart Glass, Gesture and voice recognition and more.

 

[kvn]

This has now officially become the new browser thread.

 

[Audioboxer]

I think Sony track jeff on GAF and try to implement things he says simply for the reactions

 

[Panajev2001a]

From the Software and Standards side we will have support for Augmented Reality and a Full browser by Sept of this year which Khronos states is the target date for AR. OpenMax IL 1.2 was delayed from 2008 till Nov 2011 at which point the Memory management issues known for Gstreamer-Openmax since 2006 are resolved and New Camera APIs were released. The same month (within days) Sony Published their 2003 Depth camera patent, Khronos releases OpenMax IL 1.2 APIs to their members at a meeting in Korea. Khronos publishes this in their website (OpenMax IL 1.2) and the News Press publishes Sony's Depth Camera patent.



There is no reason to publish a Console Depth Camera patent at this time if it's only for a PS4 which is 16 months away. File additions yes but NOT TO PUBLISH.

You do not know the timetable for PS4 release and even if we were talking 16 months away you do not know if they are actually going to use that solution or if they are just landgrabbing or protecting their research like they did with the PSEye+ultrasonic waves for depth sensing idea they had. They researched a lot of stuff before producing PSEye and PSMove.

I do not think this means PS3.5 is a reality for these reasons and because it would take incentive for a PS4 purchase away.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

All I'm gonna say is this dude has faith that would put the most devout religious person to shame.

Keep fighting the good fight Jeff.

 

[phosphor112]

Jeff, the more HW improvements they pack into a supposed PS3.5 the less incentives they give to users to buy PS4. I do not think the main console business can move to yearly updates the way smartphones do.

Completely different demographics. Those people who bought PS3 at launch were Playstation fans, movie goers looking for a cheap(er) bluray player. People don't want to spend 300-400 on a console when there is a 200 dollar device that does what they want.

 

[CorrisD]

Completely different demographics. Those people who bought PS3 at launch were Playstation fans, movie goers looking for a cheap(er) bluray player. People don't want to spend 300-400 on a console when there is a 200 dollar device that does what they want.

Yes, but the console is only reaching that price now (if we get a price drop with the new revision), they aren't going to suddenly pack in new stuff that Jeff keeps going on about as that would just increase the hardware cost for the machine stuffing in a new accessory, which would go against the point you are trying to make.

 

[KageMaru]

I don't think that the improvements will be to things like graphics etc. More likely they may switch to USB3 to allow more power and bandwidth for the cameras etc. The PlayStation Eye really does need a new revision and if they need to improve the USB ports then I can see them doing that with the newer machines, similar to how the Kinect came with a power brick for older models or a dedicated port in the revised 360.

Jeff is claiming this PS3.5 will have new hardware (the same hardware as his theorized xbox 360.1 IIRC). So yeah, what he posts could improve graphics.

None of this matters because it's not going to happen.

 

[phosphor112]

Yes, but the console is only reaching that price now, they aren't going to suddenly pack in new stuff that Jeff keeps going on about as that would just increase the hardware cost for the machine stuffing in a new accessory, which would go against the point you are trying to make.

You'd hardly be adding hardware cost. It's not like they are putting in something expensive. In fact, the biggest thing I can think of that would be of cost is the camera, which still wouldn't be much. This PS3 will be much slimmer (otherwise it wouldn't make sense as a product revision) so cpu and gpu are OBVIOUSLY much less likely to produce a lot of heat. Otherwise... well, they'd need those bulky heat-sinks they've been packing into the systems (even the current slims).

So a few things happened here.
They made a slimmer console, which means:
Used less plastic.
Less material for heat dissipation. (meaning...)
Smaller CPU/GPU.
Smaller PSU.

That's a lot in savings.

 

[monome]

Yes, but the console is only reaching that price now, they aren't going to suddenly pack in new stuff that Jeff keeps going on about as that would just increase the hardware cost for the machine stuffing in a new accessory, which would go against the point you are trying to make.

paving the way...

it could be Sony sees Nintendo' strategy of alluring to Wii customers with an easy to follow upgradable path to WiiU.

I'm not an electric engineer, nor a dev, but I would have thought implementing things a year or more before a new console arrives would mean an easier time with the new machine for both devs and consummers.

Also Apple has set a path for incremental upgrades rather than good old redesigns.

 

[phosphor112]

Jeff is claiming this PS3.5 will have new hardware (the same hardware as his theorized xbox 360.1 IIRC). So yeah, what he posts could improve graphics.

None of this matters because it's not going to happen.

I may be wrong, but the hardware for the PS3.5 and xbox 360.5...? or whatever won't use the same hardware. His assumption was that the PS4 and XB3 would use very similar hardware, since AMD is a big factor next gen.

 

[KageMaru]

I may be wrong, but the hardware for the PS3.5 and xbox 360.5...? or whatever won't use the same hardware. His assumption was that the PS4 and XB3 would use very similar hardware, since AMD is a big factor next gen.

No, I'm pretty sure he claimed both the 360.1 and PS3.5 would also use the same hardware that was somehow able to emulate both the entirety of the PS3 and 360 libraries. It may have been in the PS4 thread, I'll look for it if I can find time at work.

If anything, I know for a fact he claimed the PS3.5 would have new hardware.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I may be wrong, but the hardware for the PS3.5 and xbox 360.5...? or whatever won't use the same hardware. His assumption was that the PS4 and XB3 would use very similar hardware, since AMD is a big factor next gen.

No, he claimed that PS3.5 and Xbox 365 would use the exact same SOC, designed by AMD, and running Xbox 360/PS3 code through emulation. He used the fact that Microsoft registered microsoft-sony.com and sony-microsoft.com to justify it. It's not happening, just like most other things he's predicting.

 

[CorrisD]

You'd hardly be adding hardware cost. It's not like they are putting in something expensive. In fact, the biggest thing I can think of that would be of cost is the camera, which still wouldn't be much. This PS3 will be much slimmer (otherwise it wouldn't make sense as a product revision) so cpu and gpu are OBVIOUSLY much less likely to produce a lot of heat. Otherwise... well, they'd need those bulky heat-sinks they've been packing into the systems (even the current slims).

So a few things happened here.
They made a slimmer console, which means:
Used less plastic.
Less material for heat dissipation. (meaning...)
Smaller CPU/GPU.
Smaller PSU.

That's a lot in savings.

The Slim when it first came out was still being sold at a loss, it isn't going to be that much of a dramatic reduction, and they still need to make money off the hardware like they have been doing recently.
Then plus the apparent new camera, the PSEYE at RRP is still $40 and it along with the move isn't exactly the second coming of sliced bread to make that money back easily, a new one would cost just as much if not more to manufacture, bundling that in with the console would just increase the cost overall.

 

[mrklaw]

No, he claimed that PS3.5 and Xbox 365 would use the exact same SOC, designed by AMD, and running Xbox 360/PS3 code through emulation. He used the fact that Microsoft registered microsoft-sony.com and sony-microsoft.com to justify it. It's not happening, just like most other things he's predicting.

Why would you use a SoC to emulate a PS3? The power required would need a monster of a chip and it'd be cheaper just to use a PS3 chipset as-is. And to what benefit? Any of the depth stuff or web kit stuff can be written on the existing platforms just fine.

It's a lot of verbosity without meaningful substance. Some of it may be useful for what they are planning for PS4

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Why would you use a SoC to emulate a PS3? The power required would need a monster of a chip and it'd be cheaper just to use a PS3 chipset as-is. And to what benefit? Any of the depth stuff or web kit stuff can be written on the existing platforms just fine.

Hey, don't ask me, I think it's a load of crock.

 

[KageMaru]

Why would you use a SoC to emulate a PS3? The power required would need a monster of a chip and it'd be cheaper just to use a PS3 chipset as-is. And to what benefit? Any of the depth stuff or web kit stuff can be written on the existing platforms just fine.

It's a lot of verbosity without meaningful substance. Some of it may be useful for what they are planning for PS4

I don't know why anyone would think dumping the PS3's hardware and starting over with emulation would be a good idea, but that's what he says.

I may have been wrong that he claimed both the 365 and ps3.5 will use the same hardware, but I did find him saying the ps3.5 will use a new hardware:

Low power modes and the difficulty in shrinking the Cell as well as forward support for accessories as well as ecosystem support for handhelds and tablets really really imply dumping the current design and starting over.

This is why the Digitimes rumor had Sony expecting to sell 20 million PS4 consoles in 2012. Again, if it's to launch in 2012, the author of the rumor ASSUMED it was a PS4 because it's a new SOC not a recognizable CELL CPU.

He even offered to make a ban bet that the 365 was launching this year:

I'll take a ban bet on the Xbox 361 or Xbox 365 or whatever coming this Christmas season because there are 4 cites for it. There is only one for the PS3.5 and my speculation so I'm 90% certain of that.

 

[phosphor112]

No, I'm pretty sure he claimed both the 360.1 and PS3.5 would also use the same hardware that was somehow able to emulate both the entirety of the PS3 and 360 libraries. It may have been in the PS4 thread, I'll look for it if I can find time at work.

If anything, I know for a fact he claimed the PS3.5 would have new hardware.

He claimed the PS3 would use those PPU modules that had 1 PPU, 4SPE's on each unit as "building blocks" though I don't recall him saying that the 360 revision would use the same thing.

No, he claimed that PS3.5 and Xbox 365 would use the exact same SOC, designed by AMD, and running Xbox 360/PS3 code through emulation. He used the fact that Microsoft registered microsoft-sony.com and sony-microsoft.com to justify it. It's not happening, just like most other things he's predicting.

Hmmm. Nvm then.

No way they'd use the same hardware.

 

[DBT85]

The biggest issue with Jeff is that most of us have no idea what he is talking about, so we have no way of knowing if HE knows what he is talking about.

I don't expect this new slim to be anything other than another slim PS3 though. No new stuff.

 

[CorrisD]

I don't know why anyone would think dumping the PS3's hardware and starting over with emulation would be a good idea, but that's what he says.

I may have been wrong that he claimed both the 365 and ps3.5 will use the same hardware, but I did find him saying the ps3.5 will use a new hardware:

He even offered to make a ban bet that the 365 was launching this year:

I would be willing to bet a pack of Hobnobs and a cup of tea, PG tips is fine, that any new PS3 or 360 we get this year will be just that, a revision of the current models with nothing new or fancy besides stripping down on costs an parts to make them cheaper.

The biggest issue with Jeff is that most of us have no idea what he is talking about, so we have no way of knowing if HE knows what he is talking about.

I don't expect this new slim to be anything other than another slim PS3 though. No new stuff.

Usually he doesn't make much sense, lol, but he's made it pretty clear he is expecting a PS3.5 and 361.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I may have been wrong that he claimed both the 365 and ps3.5 will use the same hardware

No, you were right.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39179787&postcount=1089

 

[b3b0p]

It might have been you that I said this to in the other topic, but going from HDD to 40gb and moving to an SSD doesn't seem very logical to me, you would be massively cutting down on what people could download from their services, along with game install.

I don't think with a 40gb SSD along with the space the PS3 takes up on its storage by default would be able to fit all the games they offer on PS+ currently let alone if you wanted to play some other games or download some PSN titles.



They aren't going to add that cost back in at this point, it would cost them more than they are probably slimming down this model with.

Technology decreases in costs over time, it's been shown over and over. You don't know. You don't know what Sony plans. Is it likely, perhaps not, but if they did, there would be a lot of people that are happier and alot of people I would imagine would pick up another PS3 and Sony I doubt is dumb enough to not see this.

 

[mrklaw]

Hey, don't ask me, I think it's a load of crock.

Heh, wasn't questioning you. This thread is pretty confusing sometimes

 

[CorrisD]

Technology decreases in costs over time, it's been shown over and over. You don't know. You don't know what Sony plans. Is it likely, perhaps not, but if they did, there would be a lot of people that are happier and alot of people I would imagine would pick up another PS3 and Sony I doubt is dumb enough to not see this.

Of course I don't know, but it is a forum, I am sharing my opinions otherwise it would be kinda pointless being here, I've never stated anything I said was fact.

Like I said later on in the topic, I know perfectly well that technology gets cheaper.
Nothing is stopping people putting an SSD into a PS3 at the moment without having to buy a new console if they wanted the advantage.

 

[jeff_rigby]

No, you were right.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39179787&postcount=1089

Will it use X86 processors and emulate the PS3's SPUs? Same for Xbox360?

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Might be time to get another one...

My HDD is full!

 

[CorrisD]

Will it use X86 processors and emulate the PS3's SPUs? Same for Xbox360?

To check, are you questioning him, or the person who he linked to, that being you? lol.

 

[Hanmik]

To check, are you questioning him, or the person who he linked to, that being you? lol.

lol I was wondering the same...

 

[phosphor112]

Will it use X86 processors and emulate the PS3's SPUs? Same for Xbox360?

Is that rhetorical? Is that even possible? The SPU's completely take a dump on the speeds of even the newest of the x86 architectures...

 

[RamzaIsCool]

So a pricecut at Gamescon is allmost certain. I wonder if they go for $199 or lower? They kinda half assed it with the $249 pricepoint last year imo.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

So a pricecut at Gamescon is allmost certain. I wonder if they go for $199 or lower? They kinda half assed it with the $249 pricepoint last year imo.

I doubt they'll go lower than $199, they need the money.

 

[CorrisD]

So a pricecut at Gamescon is allmost certain. I wonder if they go for $199 or lower? They kinda half assed it with the $249 pricepoint last year imo.

Hopefully, everyone always says $199 is that price people are waiting for, here's hoping they make a big deal out of it like they did when it hit $299.
Hardware revisions also help move units too, so here's hoping that with a price drop it is pretty too, lol.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Please do it like this.

So sexy. :3

 

[KageMaru]

I would be willing to bet a pack of Hobnobs and a cup of tea, PG tips is fine, that any new PS3 or 360 we get this year will be just that, a revision of the current models with nothing new or fancy besides stripping down on costs an parts to make them cheaper.

Yeah I agree entirely and even said the same thing.

No, you were right.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39179787&postcount=1089

Ah thanks.

To check, are you questioning him, or the person who he linked to, that being you? lol.

lol

Is that rhetorical? Is that even possible? The SPU's completely take a dump on the speeds of even the newest of the x86 architectures...

That's not entirely true.

 

[jeff_rigby]

To check, are you questioning him, or the person who he linked to, that being you? lol.

Both KageMaru and REMEMBER CITADEL at first assumed I meant 100% emulation when I kept saying one SOC containing at least 2 PPC processors and enough SPUs to run either a Xbox 360 or PS3 emulation program that is only emulating the other hardware. The other hardware replaced with newer because older can't support low power modes and HDMI pass-thru.

Design and setup costs for a SOC are very very high but producing a SOC can be automated and barring the initial costs SOCs are the most economical. Starting with a PS3 SOC, only one PPC processor is needed for a Xbox360, Starting with a Xbox 360, only about 6 SPUs are needed and they are very tiny. Since both are going to start with newer almost identical hardware for the same reason why not share the design and setup costs. microsoft-sony.com

Further low power modes means the individual CPUs can be turned off at will by the OS. In Xbox360 mode the SPUs are turned off, in PS3 mode, the extra PPC processor is turned off. In standby mode only one PPC may be active at a reduced clock rate.

Why would you use a SoC to emulate a PS3? The power required would need a monster of a chip and it'd be cheaper just to use a PS3 chipset as-is. And to what benefit?

1) SOC = performance increase of 2 node shrinks and with economy of scale cheaper. Roku for example:

They even have a USB sized Stick coming this year same basic features as above.

 

[drizzle]

Jeff, I don't really know who you are or if you do predictions like these all the time and they become a reality....

...but you've just been saying a bunch of crazy shit!

 

[.la1n]

Jeff, I don't really know who you are or if you do predictions like these all the time and they become a reality....

...but you've just been saying a bunch of crazy shit!

He knows his stuff.