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Bomba - Wii U Basic with Nintendoland for $300 at Best Buy

Burai

shitonmychest57
PS2 sold 522k units in its first december

360 sold 280k units in its first december.

PS3 sold 490k units in its first december.

Wii sold almost exactly 600k units in its first december.

Get some knowledge, it'll do you some good. Seriously, the ignorance when it comes to people talking sales is headache inducing.

Says the guy who doesn't bother to present those numbers in context with the numbers of consoles shipped.

All of those were completely sold out and going for up to $1000 on ebay. Apart from the PS3 where scalpers overestimated demand and ended up flooding the channels with returned consoles. I think it's safe to say you could have probably shipped over a million Wiis or PS2s and still sold them straight through. They were that hot.
 
Should have never even made a basic unit. Should have launched with two deluxe models:

Black 32gb Deluxe model w/ Zombi U - $350
White 32gb Deluxe model w/ Nintendo Land - $350
 

Coolwhip

Banned
Says the guy who doesn't bother to present those numbers in context with the numbers of consoles shipped.

All of those were completely sold out and going for up to $1000 on ebay. Apart from the PS3 where scalpers overestimated demand and ended up flooding the channels with returned consoles. I think it's safe to say you could have probably shipped over a million Wiis or PS2s and still sold them straight through. They were that hot.

I guess we should use the term 'theoretical sales' eh? Come on now.
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I'm growing increasingly puzzled at these types of responses given that the system is launched. We have first and third party games released. We know of the games about to come out. Now, I don't doubt that we'll see stuff on the Wii U that looks better than what came out at launch. But there is this sentiment out there that I keep seeing that seems to think that the Wii U just has tons of completely untapped potential that we are bound to see, and I don't know why.
Because it's selling at a loss at $300 and that is a lot of money when it comes to console technology.
 

mernst23

Member
"This thread is embarassing and it just proves that places like 4chan and NeoGAF have really hurt the gaming community at large. Everyone is an agenda motivated fanboy full of hate for inanimate objects."

This is hilarious. Console fights aren't new. Xbox vs PS2, PS2 vs Dreamcast, N64 vs PS1, SNES/NES vs Genesis. This shit has been going on since as long as video games have been around.

I mean here's the problem (anecdotal). My fiancee's grandparents who have own a wii since like a year after it first came out asked me about the system at Thanksgiving. There's a new Nintendo out, what's the difference? My answer was simple, "it's a new system and the games look better, but now one of the players uses a big touch screen controller, but not all the games require or need it." The Wii used to be so simple, point click, go. Add controllers and different setups and new names that don't differentiate from the old name enough and this is what happens. Nintendo confused the casual gamer after already alienating the hardcore ones. I'm waiting for a 3D zelda or mario before I get a system myself. Looks like i'll save money while waiting.
 

ASIS

Member
Says the guy who doesn't bother to present those numbers in context with the numbers of consoles shipped.

All of those were completely sold out and going for up to $1000 on ebay. Apart from the PS3 where scalpers overestimated demand and ended up flooding the channels with returned consoles. I think it's safe to say you could have probably shipped over a million Wiis or PS2s and still sold them straight through. They were that hot.
PS2 and Wii were an exception, not the rule.

You couldn't say they need to sell out through a lot of stock or that they have enough demand to sell 1 million units within month or otherwise be deemed as disappointing because the 360, Xbox, DS, PSP, Vita, PS3, GC, etc. couldn't do that as well.

Point I'm trying to make is, if the Wii U is trending below the Wii it doesn't mean it's a failure in absolute terms, not by a long shot.
 
Not surprised this is happening. I'd guess price drop to $249 for the deluxe edition before the end of Spring. There is just no interest for this thing. I wouldn't be surprised to see only 200,000-300,000 units sold in December in the USA.
What happy pills are you taking? A $100 drop on the deluxe is absolutely nuts. I would love for the deluxe to be $250. In fact, I feel this is really more the appropriate price for the console, but that ain't happening until 2015 at the earliest, buddy.

This thread must have gone completely off the rails.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Says the guy who doesn't bother to present those numbers in context with the numbers of consoles shipped.

All of those were completely sold out and going for up to $1000 on ebay. Apart from the PS3 where scalpers overestimated demand and ended up flooding the channels with returned consoles. I think it's safe to say you could have probably shipped over a million Wiis or PS2s and still sold them straight through. They were that hot.

So...how else would you compare sales ? Should we just imagine that every other console would have sold a million if it werent for shortages ?
 
What happy pills are you taking? A $100 drop on the deluxe is absolutely nuts. I would love for the deluxe to be $250. In fact, I feel this is really more the appropriate price for the console, but that ain't happening until 2015 at the earliest, buddy.

This thread must have gone completely off the rails.

Don't mind him. He's trolled literally every Wii U thread for the last few weeks in pretty much the same manner.
 

KungFucius

King Snowflake
Does anyone really care about anything other than 1st party Nintendo games and the occasional good, quirky, Japanese game on Nintendo systems? Was the Gamecube a system that provided that albeit at sparse intervals? Did the Wii get anymore good 3rd party games than other systems to go along with it's higher sales?

The WiiU will do fine for what will likely be Nintendo's last console. The launch is not a disaster, it's just not what Nintendo was hoping for. It certainly could have been handled much better, but if the demand is not there, it is not easy to manufacture it. The preliminary data on holiday spending overall is not great. If people are not blowing money on gifts and excesses why would anyone expect a 300+ dollar system to fly off the shelves? I think the biggest failure here is MS and Sony not lowering their prices more to capture more of the market. If this is the last year for these systems as each companies flagship then they really should be trying to sell them to the masses.
 

BlackJace

Member
Does anyone really care about anything other than 1st party Nintendo games and the occasional good, quirky, Japanese game on Nintendo systems? Was the Gamecube a system that provided that albeit at sparse intervals? Did the Wii get anymore good 3rd party games than other systems to go along with it's higher sales?

The WiiU will do fine for what will likely be Nintendo's last console. The launch is not a disaster, it's just not what Nintendo was hoping for. It certainly could have been handled much better, but if the demand is not there, it is not easy to manufacture it. The preliminary data on holiday spending overall is not great. If people are not blowing money on gifts and excesses why would anyone expect a 300+ dollar system to fly off the shelves? I think the biggest failure here is MS and Sony not lowering their prices more to capture more of the market. If this is the last year for these systems as each companies flagship then they really should be trying to sell them to the masses.

And heeeerre we go.
 

Segnaro

Member
The $299 model helps with the $300 psychological barrier.

It also makes the $349 model more accessible because your mind starts looking at the "value" you get from $50 extra bucks, instead of the big $349 number.
 
I'm done with Nintendo. With every generation they moved further away from what I want.

3DS was the last piece of business they will get from me. I am strictly a 360/PS3 guy. Nintendo has the worst 3rd party support, and its been that way for over a decade now. I have no faith in them anymore.

Its not out of hate, or my unadulterated love for MS, its that Nintendo failed me so many times.
 
The WiiU will do fine for what will likely be Nintendo's last console.

You know that the 360 and PS3 still haven't caught up to the Wii, right? And that Nintendo has a $14 billion war chest? And that the 3DS is going strong and has already outsold the Gamecube?
 

KungFucius

King Snowflake
Not a chance, we will see more than ever. The 720 will probably be like Windows 8 with many skus. Not sure about PS4.

Windows 8 only has 2 consumer SKUs ( or 4 if you count x32, x64). No more basic, regular, pro and ultimate BS like Vista and 7.

Multiple SKUs are a common and very annoying business practice. Typically they are just greedy grabs for money. You sell the customer a higher priced SKU that contains something that costs you very little and mark it up a lot. MS charged 100 bucks for a 20GB HDD. Apple, who are by far the worst, charge 100 bucks for a few dollars worth of flash memory. The only way these tactics work is to limit the consumer's choice. Apple offers no SD slot and no way to upgrade after a sale and MS used a "locked" HDD that was tricky to unlock. In the case of Nintendo they packed in a game they should have packed in with all SKUs, added some worthless plastic and a tiny amount of cheap flash. If they are losing 50 bucks on the basic they are losing maybe 10 on the DX. This strategy is not going anywhere.
 

Chaplain

Member
You know that the 360 and PS3 still haven't caught up to the Wii, right? And that Nintendo has a $14 billion war chest? And that the 3DS is going strong and has already outsold the Gamecube?

Nintendo does fine selling their hardware. What the problem is, and has been for a long time, is 3rd parties making money on their hardware (s). This industry is about $, and since 3rd parties don't make as much money on Nintendo hardware is they do on PS or MS platforms, Nintendo will continue to lose customers because 3rd parties will not put their huge IPs on Nintendo platforms because they gain nothing from their financial investment.
 

Gahiggidy

My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Nintendo is always one Wii Fit phenom away from turning their fortunes around. They aren't like other companies.
 
Nintendo will continue to lose customers

The DS is going to end up the best selling console of all time. The Wii is top 5. The 3DS continues to sell well, especially in Japan where it's dominating.

Unless you're extrapolating a complete 180 degree long-term multi year projection for the whole company based off anecdotal message board stories about the Wii U's first 6 weeks, I don't see how you can say that.

For better of for worse, 3rd parties haven't mattered to Nintendo since 1995. It's their own IPs that have driven every system since the N64. That's one of the main reasons why 3rd parties don't come back to Nintendo - they can't compete with them.

I can understand how a hardcore gamer may not like that, 3rd parties make awesome stuff. But that doesn't translate into financial doom, they're not Sega and never were.
 

Chaplain

Member
For better of for worse, 3rd parties haven't mattered to Nintendo since 1995. It's their own IPs that have driven every system since the N64. That's one of the main reasons why 3rd parties don't come back to Nintendo - they can't compete with them.

The main reason 3rd parties do not come back is because they do not make money on Nintendo platforms (with the exception of a few titles). Losing customers is what they have been doing for years. This is why there are so many MS and PS users. They could have been Nintendo customers *if* they had 3rd party games that the other platforms had. But since they do not, they lose those customers to Sony and MS.
 

pestul

Member
The biggest disappointment for me right now is definitely the lack of games on the horizon. I can understand lackluster 3rd party support again, but Nintendo is still terribly inefficient at pumping out their own main franchises. We have no clue about 3D Mario or Zelda at this point (aside from the pretty tech demo).

One month, it's too early to call, but I could truly see this system getting a 3DS price cut <6 months into its life cycle due to poor marketing and the game drought.
 

Mrbob

Member
Does anyone really care about anything other than 1st party Nintendo games and the occasional good, quirky, Japanese game on Nintendo systems? Was the Gamecube a system that provided that albeit at sparse intervals? Did the Wii get anymore good 3rd party games than other systems to go along with it's higher sales?

I mainly bought my device for Nintendo first party and a handful of 3rd party games. However, there was a lot of chatter before launch how Wii U was going to be the start of the next generation of gaming. It's Nintendo next generation, but as things are panning out it seems the Wii U is not the start of next generation as a whole. In fact, far from it. Wii U won't receive most of the big heavy hitters that will be on PS3 and 360 in 2013.
 

zoukka

Member
Should have never even made a basic unit. Should have launched with two deluxe models:

Black 32gb Deluxe model w/ Zombi U - $350
White 32gb Deluxe model w/ Nintendo Land - $350

The deluxe isn't all that deluxe imo. 16 gigs more storage means nothing when 32 is way too low as it is. Your best value is at basic model with Nintendo Land from a bargain and a big ass HDD for digital content.
 

Kayo-kun

Member
Reading the word bomba always gives a smile to my face. I love the expression and the bomba threads always delivers alot of entertainment.
 

Burai

shitonmychest57
I guess we should use the term 'theoretical sales' eh? Come on now.

No, but context is very, very important.

PS2 and Wii were an exception, not the rule.

You couldn't say they need to sell out through a lot of stock or that they have enough demand to sell 1 million units within month or otherwise be deemed as disappointing because the 360, Xbox, DS, PSP, Vita, PS3, GC, etc. couldn't do that as well.

Point I'm trying to make is, if the Wii U is trending below the Wii it doesn't mean it's a failure in absolute terms, not by a long shot.

The PS2 and Wii were a demonstration of intense consumer excitement. If a console doesn't have that out of the gate, it's very, very rare that it ever makes the shortfall back up without an additional magic bullet later.

And again, I wish people wouldn't throw the word failure around. Disappointment is the word I'd use. They tried to stage-manage shortages by drip-feeding stock and supply still dwarfed demand. If Nintendo aren't disappointed by that I'd be very, very surprised.

So...how else would you compare sales ? Should we just imagine that every other console would have sold a million if it werent for shortages ?

Imagining is different from hypothesis. You could hypothesise that Wii and PS2 would due to the shortages in the following, usually-quiet months. For the others probably not. Xbox 360 will always be a mystery due to the awful yield issues they had, for example.
 

beast786

Member
I hated my wii, sat at collected dust forever. Much more happy with WiiU, at least the online and other improvements doesn't make it feel like a generation gap. I am a happy costumer, but i also had low expectations.

On sales side the buzz around my circle is not that much at all compare to wii, but who knows. Nintendo system tend to have greater legs.
 
Every generation someone always says this will be Nintendo's last console. lol Love it.
It does seem to be that way. Back on subject, it will be interesting to see what Nintendo will do in the coming months. Nintendo may have shipped close to 2 million Wii Us. I believe that they will reduced the percentage of shipments for basic and increase the premiums. This could have already been planned: having basics always in stock so that the system is never sold out. At least in Best Buy, though, there may be a oversupply. People are more willing to wait or look around for the premiums.

Either way, I'm expecting some announcements for games around the new year.
 
The way people swear up and down over Nibtendoland[sic], you'd thing it was better than Rhythm Heaven Fever.

Is it?

I'll let you know in a week.

edit: A week and one hour -- gotta account for that update!



It does seem to be that way. Back on subject, it will be interesting to see what Nintendo will do in the coming months. Nintendo may have shipped close to 2 million Wii Us. I believe that they will reduced the percentage of shipments for basic and increase the premiums. This could have already been planned: having basics always in stock so that the system is never sold out. At least in Best Buy, though, there may be a oversupply. People are more willing to wait or look around for the premiums.

Either way, I'm expecting some announcements for games around the new year.

I crafted a post but forgot to post it yesterday. Therein, I noted that my local Best Buy was out of Basic models but had plenty of Deluxes on account of people giving up and snagging whatever they could get at the last minute before Christmas. They said that they've been pretty much running out of stock and being replenished once a week.
 
I'm done with Nintendo. With every generation they moved further away from what I want.

3DS was the last piece of business they will get from me. I am strictly a 360/PS3 guy. Nintendo has the worst 3rd party support, and its been that way for over a decade now. I have no faith in them anymore.

Its not out of hate, or my unadulterated love for MS, its that Nintendo failed me so many times.

lol
 

jmdajr

Member
The company is still afloat, but its never been the same since Super Nes for me. Most of the stuff I enjoyed was 3rd party even on that system, so that ship has long sailed.

Hardcore Nin fans will keep them afloat no matter what. Hell, losing casaul fans might be a blessing for them.
 

Celine

Member
The main reason 3rd parties do not come back is because they do not make money on Nintendo platforms (with the exception of a few titles). Losing customers is what they have been doing for years. This is why there are so many MS and PS users. They could have been Nintendo customers *if* they had 3rd party games that the other platforms had. But since they do not, they lose those customers to Sony and MS.
Absolutely, however having third-party support (read port from other systems) alone won't solve the problem (that is it is not guaranteed that those will automatically become Nintendo customers).

Nintendo is "lucky" enough to be one of the biggest gaming software publisher in the world.
 

Chemo

Member
I have no stake in this whatsoever, but yesterday I went to my local GameStop (in a small town) to pick up a random copy of the Zone of the Enders HD Collection LE, and they had stacks of Wii U consoles behind the counter... at least five basic, and at least five deluxe models. And those were just the ones they had where I could see.

I must say, seeing them fully stocked with a brand new Nintendo console the day after Christmas was pretty wildly surprising.
 
The main reason 3rd parties do not come back is because they do not make money on Nintendo platforms (with the exception of a few titles). Losing customers is what they have been doing for years.

Again, they just had 2 of the 4 best selling consoles of all time. They're losing the first person shooter and Grand Theft Auto audience, and they've shown that doesn't matter in the big picture, they've come away with more profit than their competitors.
 

NFreak

Member
The deluxe isn't all that deluxe imo. 16 gigs more storage means nothing when 32 is way too low as it is. Your best value is at basic model with Nintendo Land from a bargain and a big ass HDD for digital content.

If you're going to be downloading a bunch of digital content, then that is precisely the reason why the deluxe bundle is better. You get Nintendo Land and the digital deluxe promotion so you get 10% back to spend on other digital purchases that you can use either on the Wii U eshop or the 3DS eshop.
 
If you're going to be downloading a bunch of digital content, then that is precisely the reason why the deluxe bundle is better. You get Nintendo Land and the digital deluxe promotion so you get 10% back to spend on other digital purchases that you can use either on the Wii U eshop or the 3DS eshop.

The ten percent 10% back promotion is something. However, that aside, the assumption is that if you're really going to be downloading games in any meaningful way -- i.e. not just a demo here and a small indie game there -- you're going to need to get an external harddrive anyway. The extra 24 Gigs of space isn't really anything to write home about.

So, for the digital distribution enthusiast, you're probably looking at getting something like a terabyte of storage anyway. So, who cares about the measly 24 gigs of storage in the Deluxe? This leaves the cash back promotion and Nintendo Land as the difference makers. And with the Best Buy promotion, you're left with just the cash back promotion. You'd have to spend $500 buying digital content before you made up the difference in the price of the Deluxe vs. Basic.
 

Celine

Member
If you're going to be downloading a bunch of digital content, then that is precisely the reason why the deluxe bundle is better. You get Nintendo Land and the digital deluxe promotion so you get 10% back to spend on other digital purchases that you can use either on the Wii U eshop or the 3DS eshop.
Not to say that 24GB left available is good enough for demos and eshop releases for a good period if you don't plan to download retail games (and when you need more space, a 32GB SD card will be priced less than the current 20 bucks).
Also the charging cradle (20 bucks) is very useful if I might add.
 
Pardon my ignorance but what does 'BOMBA' mean? I keep seeing this word used in thread titles. I'm guessing it's an american term?

I don't remember the origin, but it's just a variant on "bomb." Meaning, the product bombed so now there's a price drop. Anytime you see something like this from Wario, just rest assured that it was probably funny five years ago.
 
There was an offer posted in the cheap arse European thread for Wii U deluxe at £259 or something. I don't think I've seen new machine discounting so quickly after launch before, and expect this to be happening a lot more over the next few months. The system is overpriced for the UK market.

What's concerning is that apparently Nintendo isn't breaking even on this system? I don't understand how a system that looks visually on par with PS360 (whether it's more powerful or not is not an issue here, the fact that people have to find specific examples to prove it just shows how powerful it is visually) is not breaking even at £300. Does the tablet cost that much? It only has 32GB of memory, too. I really don't think Nintendo learnt a thing from the abysmal 3DS launch at all.
 
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