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[HamPster PamPster]

All the fanboy outrage and developer posterboard signs probably isn't doing anything to the delay... but it would be nice if this pr mess results in ubisoft committing to including the wii u in future multiplatorm releases (given their new found love of simultaneous releases and all that). I'd love stick of truth on the gamepad

To that end, you go gaf! Rah Rah Fight The Powah!

 

[Corto]

I'll look up that post in the Eurogamer article, thanks - but I still don't see how the consumers are fucked over. Is it just because they want to play a game NOW NOW NOW? Or is there more to it?

The game is completed. The game was scheduled to be released in february. Ubisoft had Nintendo publicizing the game and giving it added exposure as a showcase title of its new platform. People pre-ordered the game. The team worked through crunch time to finish the game in time for the scheduled release. How are you surprised that people, common users are not too empathic towards the managements side of this whole ordeal and instead side with the devs in the wish that the game should be released? What's really surprising is how so many chose to be understanding of the business side of this decision ignoring that people expectations were thwarted. Ubisoft is not a charity, they want profit and revenue and this delay was to maximize marketing expenses, but one could very aptly argue that this whole debacle is more harmful to Rayman as an IP and Ubisoft as a publisher as it will certainly affect their bottom line. Someone with some good sense could have predict this all along.

 

[Goldmund]

"Work ethics"?


They were payed to do a job, as long as no one beat them and did not pay them, work ethics have fuck all to do with this.

It's ubisofts product, they can do with it what they want .... they own it.

The obscenity of capitalism in a nutshell.

 

[The Mana Legend]

I like this.

Too bad the only thing that will result from this is them losing their jobs most likely.

 

[FunnyBunny]

Some of us have managed things before, and understand how damaging insubordination is, which is where some of us are coming from.

Bingo.

 

[pants]

I don't think you guys understand European labor laws. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIRE PEOPLE IN FRANCE. Their labor laws are extremely left wing. The employees have more rights

You don't need to get fired for your employers to make your professional life extremely uncomfortable.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

You mean like choosing not to buy Rayman in September?

Funny you say that when people act shocked about people saying they won't buy the game day one anymore if it comes out in September.

What's so hard about waiting? Like I mentioned before, it's not as if the game was done then canned.

Some consumer bought a Wii U in part due to the promise of Rayman coming soon, I don't see what's wrong with the reaction. Might not be explicitly for Rayman, but I bet it did nudge some people over.

Sounds like that consumer made a mistake and should take this into account when they buy systems for games that they can't buy yet.

 

[Retro_]

So are they really protesting?

Like are they collectively refusing to work on the ports until this delay decision is reversed?

Or are they just taking pictures with signs they made 3 minutes prior?

Edit: correction. a sign*

 

[miksar]

If the "freedom of Capitalism" means fucking over your employees then count me out.

It has nothing to do with capitalism, all those people in the thread are basically defenders of stupid. From the pure business sense it would be more wise for Ubisoft to: a) make it a multiplatform game before development actually started; b) release it in a different, less competitive time frame.

 

[hatchx]

This is great.

 

[mclem]

How did Razor's Edge get around this?

Well, for one thing they're only 'reserving the right' to disallow release - but I do also wonder if the fact that the original NG3 came out on the 360 means that this might be regarded more as a GOTY-type thing with more lenient rulings.

 

[kirblar]

The game is completed. The game was scheduled to be released in february. Ubisoft had Nintendo publicizing the game and giving it added exposure as a showcase title of its new platform. People pre-ordered the game. The team worked through crunch time to finish the game in time for the scheduled release. How are you surprised that people, common users are not too empathic towards the managements side of this whole ordeal and instead side with the devs in the wish that the game should be released? What's really surprising is how so many chose to be understanding of the business side of this decision ignoring that people expectations were thwarted. Ubisoft is not a charity, they want profit and revenue and this delay was to maximize marketing expenses, but one could very aptly argue that this whole debacle is more harmful to Rayman as an IP and Ubisoft as a publisher as it will certainly affect their bottom line. Someone with some good sense could have predict this all along.

That argument would make more sense if the Wii U currently weren't a disaster zone. Ubisoft clearly thinks they'll take a bath on this title if it's not release multiplatform given the current state of the Wii U, and I cannot blame them.

 

[clay_ghost]

What's so hard about waiting? Like I mentioned before, it's not as if the game was done then canned.



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The point is all point to it was done.

 

[Yaboosh]

So are they really protesting?

Like are they collectively refusing to work on the ports until this delay decision is reversed?

Or are they just taking pictures with signs they made 3 minutes prior?

Not sure you know what protesting means,

 

[hammster]

It has nothing to do with capitalism, all those people in the thread are basically defenders of stupid. From the pure business sense it would be more wise for Ubisoft to: a) make it a multiplatform game before development actually started; b) release it in a different, less competitive time frame.

I was replying to a specific comment about Capitalism.

 

[Servbot24]

The obscenity of capitalism in a nutshell.

The development team agreed that Ubisoft would own it before they started working. I don't blame the team for protesting, but Ubi is not in the wrong.

It's not as though release dates are sacred ground. Everything will be ok.

It has nothing to do with capitalism, all those people in the thread are basically defenders of stupid. From the pure business sense it would be more wise for Ubisoft to: a) make it a multiplatform game before development actually started; b) release it in a different, less competitive time frame.

Ubi doesn't seem to think so. They have the right to make the choice they think is best.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

The game is completed. The game was scheduled to be released in february. Ubisoft had Nintendo publicizing the game and giving it added exposure as a showcase title of its new platform. People pre-ordered the game. The team worked through crunch time to finish the game in time for the scheduled release. How are you surprised that people, common users are not too empathic towards the managements side of this whole ordeal and instead side with the devs in the wish that the game should be released? What's really surprising is how so many chose to be understanding of the business side of this decision ignoring that people expectations were thwarted. Ubisoft is not a charity, they want profit and revenue and this delay was to maximize marketing expenses, but one could very aptly argue that this whole debacle is more harmful to Rayman as an IP and Ubisoft as a publisher as it will certainly affect their bottom line. Someone with some good sense could have predict this all along.

Thanks for the writeup - it feels pretty obvious at this point that Ubisoft doesn't have enough faith in the Wii U's install base to drive enough sales that would outweigh the benefits of releasing multi-platform. That's really the end of it though isn't it? It's not any more than doing business.

 

[Jburton]

The obscenity of capitalism in a nutshell.

Wii U sales have been low, small install base ...... ubisoft made a business decision.

Wait until more sales of Wii U and the 360/PS3 versions are done and pay for one marketing campaign.



Releasing it now makes no sense in the face of the Wii U and disappointing sales.

 

[Schnozberry]

The obscenity of capitalism in a nutshell.

The obscenity of Capitalism is that the people who pay for something get to decide what they do with it?

 

[Cbajd5]

So are they really protesting?

Like are they collectively refusing to work on the ports until this delay decision is reversed?

Or are they just taking pictures with signs they made 3 minutes prior?

Why would they wait to take the pictures if they finished making the signs?

 

[FunnyBunny]

lol

I'm sorry, Mr. Successful Businessman. It wasn't my intention to get in the way of your anti-consumer, anti-labor rights agenda.

Rayman Legends is still releasing. And, the development team will continue to get paid while it works on ports for the other systems.

I fail to see how Ubisoft's decision is anti-consumer (more people are getting access to the game) or anti-labor (workers continue to get paid and are guaranteed a longer term of employment).

 

[michaeltraps]

I'm not understanding their reasoning for pushing all versions to September. Did they give a reason why?

 

[doniewhalberg]

What's so hard about waiting? Like I mentioned before, it's not as if the game was done then canned.

Right, but let's remember that happens at these companies when a game series strikes out sales-wise, and then look at what it'll be up against. Waiting is fine, although disappointing. It's how much the game might suffer with that launch date, and it is about the slap it is to the devs who just crunched.

there's nothing hard about waiting, but the average consumer will also have no problem with not buying if it's this or GTA. Rayman enthusiasts will play it, but if they want maximum sales, that date for multiplat is a bad one. And later is even worse.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

I'm not understanding their reasoning for pushing all versions to September. Did they give a reason why?

Money/Sales

 

[Servbot24]

I'm not understanding their reasoning for pushing all versions to September. Did they give a reason why?

They only have to pay for one advertising campaign could be one reason.

 

[Buddha Beam]

Nintendo, it is about time to create a European based first party studio. I know who would fit there.

This would be a good idea, but it would probably piss Ubisoft off if they poached Ancel. I don't imagine Nintendo would want to piss off the one third party who actually tries to work with them.

 

[Aostia]

RELEASE IT FOR WII U NOW! It's ready, and the others will enjoy it later on. Win-Win

 

[Retro_]

Not sure you know what protesting means,

"really protesting" is the wrong way to phrase what I meant I guess

I guess I'm just questioning how seriously they feel about it

I mean if they really do feel strongly about the decision there has to be a better way to channel that than this.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I'm glad at least someone's enjoying the situation.

Not the situation, the reactions

I have to admit, I read these posts and it sounds an awful lot like "ha ha Nthings stop whining".

That´s your prerogative. The matter of the fact is that the game is still coming and some people who have a WiiU decided not to buy it out of spite or whatever reason.

Some consumer bought a Wii U in part due to the promise of Rayman coming soon, I don't see what's wrong with the reaction. Might not be explicitly for Rayman, but I bet it did nudge some people over.

The game is still coming for god´s sake. So you´re not losing anything by waiting a little longer. Besides next time you and other pick up the console when the game that you want is out.

 

[Bony Manifesto]

Isn't this just an inherent danger of Nintendo trying to secure exclusives without giving anything in return? Microsoft would have contracts in place months before it was announced promising some sort of moneyhat in return for timed or outright exclusivity for the Xbox.

Okay, Ubisoft shouldn't have promised a release date or exclusivity unless they were sure they were going ahead with it, but I think that will be the only lesson they draw from this.

 

[JaseMath]

A: Because the dev team had to go through 6 months of crunch time to get the game done on time, only for it to be delayed at the last moment.
B: Because Rayman is fucking awesome.

C. Something to look forward to as a Wii U owner.

 

[Calamari41]

"Work ethics"?


They were payed to do a job, as long as no one beat them and did not pay them, work ethics have fuck all to do with this.

It's ubisofts product, they can do with it what they want .... they own it.

Man I voted for Romney and even I think you're being cold and robotic here.

 

[Tobor]

RELEASE IT FOR WII U NOW! It's ready, and the others will enjoy it later on. Win-Win

They don't want full price 360/PS3 games on sale next to Wii U bargain bin copies.

Surely as a Wii U owner, you can appreciate not wanting to pay full price for old games, right?

 

[Vyse The Legend]

RELEASE IT FOR WII U NOW! It's ready, and the others will enjoy it later on. Win-Win

They probably want the install base to grow on the WiiU. Many companies did this during the great 3DS panic.

And, it fucking sucks.

 

[miksar]

Rayman Legends is still releasing. And, the development team will continue to get paid while it works on ports for the other systems.

I fail to see how Ubisoft's decision is anti-consumer (more people are getting access to the game) or anti-labor (workers continue to get paid and are guaranteed a longer term of employment).

1. It is anti-Wii U consumer, as people bought the system expecting the game to come out in a certain time-frame.

2. You do realize that they worked overtime to finish the game before the deadline and after they accomplish that they are told it is delayed and sent to die?

 

[android.cndy]

i will support them by getting Wii U version and pirating deadbox and ps3 versions

 

[Gahiggidy]

Help me understand, but why is their spot so tight? What hard decisions do they need to make? Do they care? I doubt it.

I said "imagine", which doesn't necessarily mean its true.

 

[PhantomR]

Nintendo, vindicated.

 

[Brazil]

They don't want full price 360/PS3 games on sale next to Wii U bargain bin copies.

Surely as a Wii U owner, you can appreciate not wanting to pay full price for old games, right?

Release it as an eShop exclusive now, and the disc version alongside the others later.

 

[Lambda Pie]

I'm not understanding their reasoning for pushing all versions to September. Did they give a reason why?

Origins sold 50k across 3 plataforms during the first month.

this one, Wii U only... mega bomba written all over it. Ubisoft did the only logical thing.

 

[Replicant]

i will support them by getting Wii U version and pirating deadbox and ps3 versions

Uh. Oh.

 

[Jburton]

Man I voted for Romney and even I think you're being cold and robotic here.

What have feelings got to do with business?

Should ubisoft lose money just to be nice or to help out Wii U owners desperate for a good game/new game.

 

[TAS]

Shame on Ubisoft. This is an outrage! I hope they have the good sense to overturn this decision and release the damn game already.

 

[GregLombardi]

Nintendo, vindicated.

How is Nintendo vindicated? This is their fault in the first place for not contractually tying Legends to Wii U and calling it a day.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

1. It is anti-Wii U consumer, as people bought the system expecting the game to come out in a certain time-frame.

It's not, because your decision to buy the Wii U based on future promises from OTHER companies is a ridiculous concept. And if you have faith in these promises by corporations that don't care - you should re-examine your faith.

 

[kirblar]

1. It is anti-Wii U consumer, as people bought the system expecting the game to come out in a certain time-frame.

2. You do realize that they worked overtime to finish the game before the deadline and after they accomplish that they are told it is delayed and sent to die?

If they were to release it on Wii U today, they would very likely be sending it to die.

 

[kinggroin]

You know, if they were to release the Wii U version in February, thus mandating extra content be added to the PS3/360 versions later... I think I would be less likely to get the Wii U version. I 100%'d Origins and still felt like I could have handled a few more worlds of content, so I suspect I'll 100% this when I get it, and I'd definitely prefer the complete package.

Who's to say that Murphy levels won't be Wii U exclusive, and replaced with something else entirely on 360/PS3?

 

[Aostia]

They don't want full price 360/PS3 games on sale next to Wii U bargain bin copies.

Surely as a Wii U owner, you can appreciate not wanting to pay full price for old games, right?

If they think (as they are doing porting it on other consoles) that Wii U owners are not overlapping the PS360 owners, it makes no sense.

 

[Nairume]

1. It is anti-Wii U consumer, as people bought the system expecting the game to come out in a certain time-frame.

2. You do realize that they worked overtime to finish the game before the deadline and after they accomplish that they are told it is delayed and sent to die?

Also that they have to go back on crunch to redesign and port the game, along with making even more demos along the way.

 

[Calamari41]

What have feelings got to do with business?

Should ubisoft lose money just to be nice or to help out Wii U owners desperate for a good game/new game.

I'm more talking about the idea that as long as you're paying your employees you can make them do whatever you want no matter what and they have no right to complain about anything you do. I.E. making them go through extreme overtime and crunch time and then when they're done doing something that makes it all for nothing.