Lol, utter drivel.
Anti-Wii U consumer, sent to die ........ it will die if released on the Wii U now ...... has bad business written all over it.
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Michel Ancel and Rayman dev team show up at fan(?) protest RE: Rayman Legends delay
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Lol, utter drivel.
Anti-Wii U consumer, sent to die ........ it will die if released on the Wii U now ...... has bad business written all over it.
Ahahaa! Marketing campaign??!!
All the demo kiosks, being pseudo-exclusive, all the coverage and attention they got from major gaming sites, especially nintendo ones and now Raymangate is so much PR exposure that they don't even have to market it that much anymore.
Just fucking release it!
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Hahaha.
Not necessarily. A lot of games within launch window sell reasonably well due to game droughts and the console actually still being "news". Even Rayman 3D, a half assed 3DS port, managed to sell reasonably well and chart months into the 3DS' lifespan. A bigger consumer base didn't really help Origins but it was still profitable, and if Legends was developed similarly I doubt it'd have to sell a lot of units for Ubi to be happy with it.
That and any Nintendo exclusive tends to do well generally.
Psychotext
Member
If they do that then they're idiots. Sure, the job market is tough but there comes a point where you either walk away or work yourself to death.
(I'm talking from personal experience here)
Origins didn't have the hype of this and it wasn't released during a drought time for a console. Most of the Wii U owners have bought NSMBU, do you think they wouldn't want another great platformer? Not everyone, but a lot do.
I am all for employee rights but if I made a chair for a company I work for, are my employee rights or satisfaction tied to when it was made available for sale?
In fact ubisoft are trying to ensure that the creative teams work is as successful as possible by waiting to release it into the best market conditions.
p.s. This "protest" seems very tongue in cheek.
Joeshabadoo
Member
Honestly, what kind of initial console sales numbers were Ubi hoping for? Did they expect another Wii situation? There will never another Wii situation in the console game. Times have changed. I feel like they could've very likely hit the 150K mark globally releasing in Feb for WiiU, disc and digital
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
All the more reason not to waste the hype surrounding the title on the release on a single platform I think
At least when you have other versions in the oven
Yeah.
I made the mistake of reading the title and thinking it was more serious than it was
xenorevlis
Member
Everyone saying Ancel should go to Nintendo seems to forget that BG&E2 has oft been delayed for (supposedly) the wait for the next-gen consoles. I know, I know, technically Wii U is the next gen from Nintendo, but in terms of computational power it sits just above the the PS3 and 360, which means it's still not enough to fully realize whatever madness they were hoping to achieve with the sequel.
I'm also disgusted by some of the posters (mainly a small few) who think these people have no right to be doing this, or should be fired. They've been outspoken about the fact that after all this major crunch time (meaning less time from home, family, friends, etc.) they see no payoff with reception to their game. I'd be royally pissed too. I get that Ubisoft wants to make as much money as possible, but hell, couldn't they just change up the PS360 editions and release them with an alternate title?
I'm also disgusted by some of the posters (mainly a small few) who think these people have no right to be doing this, or should be fired. They've been outspoken about the fact that after all this major crunch time (meaning less time from home, family, friends, etc.) they see no payoff with reception to their game. I'd be royally pissed too. I get that Ubisoft wants to make as much money as possible, but hell, couldn't they just change up the PS360 editions and release them with an alternate title?
Version 3.0
Member
Actually, if they can get it out the door quickly, this game couldn't possibly have any better publicity than it's getting right now.
D
Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
"goodwill" isn't something that sticks when it's time for financial meetings.
Wow, talk about sad.
Goldrusher
Member
How I see it:
scenario A:
+ release the game now for Wii U
- game is a financial disaster
- studio closes
- everybody fired
- no more Rayman
scenario B:
+ release the game now for Wii U
- release it later for PS3 & 360, at a lower price
- two marketing campaigns
- game barely makes a profit
- many people are laid off
- no more Rayman
- back to uninspired movie-games
scenario C:
+ already 7 more months of employment
+ a shared marketing campaign
+ game is profitable
+ studio remains in business
+ everybody keeps their jobs
+ more Rayman games
Why wouldn't you choose C ?
scenario A:
+ release the game now for Wii U
- game is a financial disaster
- studio closes
- everybody fired
- no more Rayman
scenario B:
+ release the game now for Wii U
- release it later for PS3 & 360, at a lower price
- two marketing campaigns
- game barely makes a profit
- many people are laid off
- no more Rayman
- back to uninspired movie-games
scenario C:
+ already 7 more months of employment
+ a shared marketing campaign
+ game is profitable
+ studio remains in business
+ everybody keeps their jobs
+ more Rayman games
Why wouldn't you choose C ?
Projectjustice
Banned
And releasing it vs GTA5 isnt?
What percentage? You have data for that?
Look, overall, it makes good business sense to delay the game. Let the Wii U install base grow, and do one ad campaign for all three versions.
September isn't ideal for obvious reasons, but I think Ubi is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Developers should not be afraid of their publishers. Publishers should fear their developers.
It's still pretty stupid when they could release it on Wii U now and then on the other platforms and make more money overall.
It's not like RE 4 bombed when it came out on PS2 a year after the Gamecube version.
FunnyBunny
Member
That's their job; designing, porting, making demos. What else are they being paid to do?
To sell to a tiny install base.
Scenario D:
+ release the game now for Wii U
+ game is profitable
+ release later for PS3 and Xbox 360
+ studio remains in business
+ everybody keeps their jobs
+ more Rayman games
+ everyone is happy
StoppedInTracks
Member
Being honest here:
if you told me 1 year ago that a fucking RAYMAN game would be heralded as Wii U saviour in the US then I would've sent you to the shrink.
Times, they are a changing.
if you told me 1 year ago that a fucking RAYMAN game would be heralded as Wii U saviour in the US then I would've sent you to the shrink.
Times, they are a changing.
GiantBreadbug
Member
If someone can objectively prove to me that Legends would have bombed on Wii U in February, and Ubisoft wasn't just buying into Wii U doom and gloom sensationalism for a three month old console, then I will stop saying that this isn't a huge fuck up on Ubi's part.
The game would have sold fine. There were plenty of people who were picking up a Wii U for this game, and it would've had decent legs going into summer.
Kudos to Ancel. I'd ditch Ubisoft and take my team with me.
The game would have sold fine. There were plenty of people who were picking up a Wii U for this game, and it would've had decent legs going into summer.
Kudos to Ancel. I'd ditch Ubisoft and take my team with me.
Calamari41
41 > 38
If your company made you work 16 hour days 7 days a week for months because you absolutely had to get your chair finished by a certain date, and then when you finished they told you that they were going to hold onto it for 7 more months before they sold it... yeah I think you might have feelings about that.
FunnyBunny
Member
I actually agree with this; Legends has more buzz now than it has since its inception.
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For a start all miiverse now knows about UPlay and Rayman. I keep seing moms asking on miiverse: "what's this UPlay app?". Awesome
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
"hype" is a better word then
basically the interest that surrounds a title when it's an unknown quantity. I'm sure that stimulates initial sales in someway
anon_mastermind
Member
Eagerly awaiting a response from Ubisoft HQ.
We're not really in the initial launch windows, though. The system simply is not selling right now, and whatever internal sales projections they based the budget on have likely been jettisoned in light of the most recent sales numbers. We've got some of the same data they do (UK sales) and the decision is completely understandable from a business perspective.
A delay is better than the game not selling well at all and crippling Ubisoft's ability to produce future installments.
Psychotext
Member
I'd be amazed if it even charted in most places. The Wii U userbase is virtually non existent and I can't see Rayman being the game to change that.
canedaddy
Member
Bingo.
Publicity to sell to a small install base.
I very highly doubt it could be profitable if released now, no way.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
This is actually sort of a genius solution. Basically a soft launch now on the eShop, with the retail U release coming alongside the PS360 versions (with extra content?) in September. It'd placate both the angry Wii U base and frustrated dev team, it'd avoid invetory/pricepoint risks that could've brought down the PS360 release later, it'd require little in the way of promotional expenses (this whole delay saga arguably brought more attention to Legends than anything else so far) and given the "on disc" language in Microsoft's cert guideliness it might circumvent that even.
It solves nearly all the problems here.
D
Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
If a copy of Rayman Legends sold for half of the sold Wii U consoles currently, would it be considered a bomb?
Always-honest
Banned
Great! Exactly what i'd hope they would do.
It's smarter business for Ubi too.
It's smarter business for Ubi too.
But it is not possible because all those late ports of PS360 games are selling like shit! And because the most casual zombie game of all time did better than Rayman Origins initially on PS360Wii.
GregLombardi
Member
To be fair, the Wii U worldwide userbase is slightly behind that of the Wii at the same time in its life span.
I do not expect that to continue necessarily though.
Art.Menegatti
Member
WTF