I like it.
Either that or he's seriously considering the message from the dev team. Or, he's skeptical of the message outright. Or he has bad gas. We can invent meaning to meet our goals, I don't think we can clearly discern what his look means.
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Michel Ancel and Rayman dev team show up at fan(?) protest RE: Rayman Legends delay
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Either that or he's seriously considering the message from the dev team. Or, he's skeptical of the message outright. Or he has bad gas. We can invent meaning to meet our goals, I don't think we can clearly discern what his look means.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
If the deadline was set at sep right from the start, they will have several months to make the game, which means lesser crunch period and overtimes, while getting paid the same amount.
KojiKnight
Member
Many companies also give a bonus for games that sell well... hard to make a bonus on a finished game if it's not released to be sold.
Easy there koopa-troopa! I wasn't specifically referring to Ubisoft Montpellier. I said; I hope this matter stirs up "developers in the industry." Obviously, it can only apply to the applicable situation. Not every dev studio out there is an own subsidiary operating under one large publisher. But, forgive me for not being absolutely clear.
timetokill
Banned
Interesting to see this. I feel for Ancel and the rest of the developers.
I was kind of curious to see what baconsam was going to say about this and get his take.... but I guess he's busy in a thread created about the 720/PS4 talking about... how Nintendo is doomed or something. alas.
I was kind of curious to see what baconsam was going to say about this and get his take.... but I guess he's busy in a thread created about the 720/PS4 talking about... how Nintendo is doomed or something. alas.
Meesh
Member
It depends how you look at it, in principle I'd agree with you...but as consumers when we bend to their will we condone their actions and our efforts/gestures mean nothing. It's a statement, and one that I'm willing to uphold even if I was the only gamer who believed so. How else are they to learn they can't take their fan base for granted? Just my opinion
I'm reasonably happy to accept that the sign may well have been created by a bunch of fans who turned up rather than the devs; it's plausible, it fits.
Do I take it from your comments that you do not believe that Ancel agrees with the premise of the sign?
If that's the case... why be willing to *appear* with it so readily? If the sign is toxic, as some here are suggesting, so toxic that the devs wouldn't support the premise of the sign, then surely it's be a really really bad idea to happily pose for photos with it?
Whiskeymatt
Member
It's a ballsy move, but it's also not as ballsy as it may seem considering that they're one of the most talented dev teams in the industry. If Ubisoft wants to fire them over this then they'd be snatched up by someone else almost immediately.
Or Iwata could just throw a check down on the table and instantly create one of the most awesome Nintendo studios ever.
So, I figured I'd just.. i dont know, just send a simple email and ask nintendo about the Rayman delay and this is there reply:
RE: Webform > General Information > USEN0900GI <<#852037-2185935#>>
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Hello,
Thank you for taking the time to write to us with your feedback. I can certainly understand your thoughts and want you to know how much we appreciate you sending them in. Please rest assured that your comments will be forwarded to the other departments here at Nintendo. There are current and upcoming licensee games for Wii U. For more information, please visit the Games section of our website (www.nintendo.com/games).
I'm sorry to hear of your frustration regarding the delay of Rayman Legends. While I can't speak for Ubisoft, the game's publisher, I'm sure that their goal is to meet a game's projected release date. However, as we know from our own experience those plans may be altered for a variety of reasons to ensure that the quality of the game meets our exacting specifications.
As for Aliens: Colonial Marines, I haven't head of this game being delayed. For more information on these games, I would suggest contacting the publishers directly. As the publishers of these games would be best-suited to answer your questions. To get their contact information, go to the following web address and click on the appropriate name:
http://www.nintendo.com/corp/licensees_third.jsp
Again, thank you for taking the time to write to us with your feedback. Your comments help us to understand what is important to our gamers.
Sincerely,
Jessica Smith
Nintendo of America Inc.
Yeah they are basically toeing the line there with their response, I still thought it was interesting they even replied at all. I am not sure if her reply to give me the list of licensees was to say "hey these are all companies who can make games for us!" or not.
RE: Webform > General Information > USEN0900GI <<#852037-2185935#>>
Show Details
Hello,
Thank you for taking the time to write to us with your feedback. I can certainly understand your thoughts and want you to know how much we appreciate you sending them in. Please rest assured that your comments will be forwarded to the other departments here at Nintendo. There are current and upcoming licensee games for Wii U. For more information, please visit the Games section of our website (www.nintendo.com/games).
I'm sorry to hear of your frustration regarding the delay of Rayman Legends. While I can't speak for Ubisoft, the game's publisher, I'm sure that their goal is to meet a game's projected release date. However, as we know from our own experience those plans may be altered for a variety of reasons to ensure that the quality of the game meets our exacting specifications.
As for Aliens: Colonial Marines, I haven't head of this game being delayed. For more information on these games, I would suggest contacting the publishers directly. As the publishers of these games would be best-suited to answer your questions. To get their contact information, go to the following web address and click on the appropriate name:
http://www.nintendo.com/corp/licensees_third.jsp
Again, thank you for taking the time to write to us with your feedback. Your comments help us to understand what is important to our gamers.
Sincerely,
Jessica Smith
Nintendo of America Inc.
Yeah they are basically toeing the line there with their response, I still thought it was interesting they even replied at all. I am not sure if her reply to give me the list of licensees was to say "hey these are all companies who can make games for us!" or not.
Christberg
Member
DeuceGamer
Member
Pretty much the same response I received
Considering we know they had to spend $350+ on a Wii U within the last few months I'd have to guess a lot of them are atleast willing to spend money on new games.
They have some leverage in the fact they are Ubisofts premiere team as far as talent goes. Yves and bros could come in and clean house but in the end it would hurt Ubisoft a lot more than it would hurt Ancel etc.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Nintendo should woo Ancel by funding BG&E2
It's not like his tone would change. Alberto totally mopped the floor with him in a different Rayman thread and that didn't help anything.
At this point I've begrudgingly accept the delay, but I'm fascinated to see if/how Nintendo and Ubisoft respond to this continued uprising. I'm guessing that if Ubisoft was going to comment on the Ancel photo they would have already, but I'd love to see the games media get a comment from Nintendo on how the feel about their users using their Miiverse platform to badmouth an important third-party partner. I'm pretty impressed with how loosely moderated it's been so far.
Meesh
Member
If only...if only...
BG&E2 becomes Wii U-exclusive > delayed > delayed and put on Durango/Orbis
> canceled
O_O what?
i don't think it's that simple. bge2 probably would have come out last gen had they figured out where they wanted to go with it. and ancel prefers a small team. throwing money at the project won't make it come out any faster.
microsoft and sony have a right to refusal on ports. microsoft can refuse a port that is late and sony can refuse a port that is late without new content. that's why razor's edge on ps3 and 360 is getting more stuff over the wii u version. it's also easier on ubisoft (and the dev team) to just delay the wii u game than to make an updated version for those consoles as well.
That doesn't mean that the Rayman devs couldn't maybe make an extra level or two and release the game on time.
Ok I laughed way too hard at this...Baconsammy finally getting CLOCKED. Bout time his weaves were pulled.
you'd be paying more people to make new content than just the guys who have to port the game over.
They are already going to have to redesign parts of the game anyway.
talk to the mods about it. They changed the title to what you see now, minus the "(?)". Then they added the "(?)" after it was clear we have no idea what the fuck is really going on.
CambriaRising
Member
There were actual protests over this?
Oh ffs people its a fucking video game.
Oh ffs people its a fucking video game.
Baconsammy finally getting CLOCKED. Bout time his weaves were pulled.
Been a LONG time coming. yassss
Wait, people actually listen to Baconsammy? I'm walking away from this thread surprised.
More on point, why do I get the feeling that this gen is going to be full of this terrible shit from all sides? We're just STARTING and already devs are getting fucked around by publishers to the point where they refuse to stand in silence.
The protesting is coming from the developers who busted their balls to get this ready on time, now they've been kicked in their busted balls by ubisoft with the massive delay which meant that all that extra work amounts to nothing. It's not just a video game we're talking about here, it's people's hard work and sacrifices as well.
CambriaRising
Member
Yeah, welcome to being employed. It means eating shit from time to time. There are a lot of people who work longer hours than these guys and get paid a lot less to put up with things worse than a product not going out when it's finished.
Are some of these not fans, op and title implies that they are.
Employees are allowed to voice their opinion, I don't know why you're against that. Your argument makes it seem like employers can and should do whatever they want to employees. I can't follow that reasoning, I'm sorry.
Also, there are some theories as to who these people really are. We know that Michel Ancel, the head of the Rayman dev team, is there. We also assume the rest are a part of the development team. Some believe that the developers staged this and posted pictures to show their support for releasing this game as originally planned. Other believe that fans went to Ubisoft Montpillar and asked for photos with the development team.
We're not really sure...
Very strange situation indeed.
I don't own a Wii U and didn't play Origins save for the demo, so I shouldn't be concerned. But even as a simple outsider, it's easy to see why the whole delay thing is fucking wrong. Talked about it with some people working in the industry and didn't knew (they live in Japan like me, and don't/can't take the time to keep up with everything as they're fucking busy) and they were floored and disgusted by the whole situation.
I really can't believe Nintendo didn't lock that game HARD. They promoted it about everywhere, basically like it was the only worthwhile things coming out for Wii U in the next months.
On that protest thing, I seriously doubt the Montpellier team did anything beside coming down to greet the fans, I'm really surprised by all of you guys who immediately jumped the gun and started to talk like they were on a strike or anything. C'mon, they just (silently?) voiced their opinion FFS.
I don't own a Wii U and didn't play Origins save for the demo, so I shouldn't be concerned. But even as a simple outsider, it's easy to see why the whole delay thing is fucking wrong. Talked about it with some people working in the industry and didn't knew (they live in Japan like me, and don't/can't take the time to keep up with everything as they're fucking busy) and they were floored and disgusted by the whole situation.
I really can't believe Nintendo didn't lock that game HARD. They promoted it about everywhere, basically like it was the only worthwhile things coming out for Wii U in the next months.
On that protest thing, I seriously doubt the Montpellier team did anything beside coming down to greet the fans, I'm really surprised by all of you guys who immediately jumped the gun and started to talk like they were on a strike or anything. C'mon, they just (silently?) voiced their opinion FFS.
So no one has a right to complain unless there is no one worse off?
I'm not suggesting that the developers are actually protesting, but the "What're you complaining about? Other people put up with worse" line is garbage.
kitchenmotors
Banned
So did Baconsammy completely ignore this thread?
Calamari41
41 > 38
Man, I just listened to the Rayman Origins soundtrack, especially Gourmand Land and Sea of Serendipity. God damn. Please let me play this game, Ubisoft.
So did BaconSammy completely ignore this thread?
He wouldnt dare step foot in this thread. that's what happens when you are clockedt and dont really have a defense.
walking fiend
Member
I have a speculation that it's the alt account for BurntPork;So did Baconsammy completely ignore this thread?
This is what I listen to when I can't sleep. I imagine swimming around in the level that it's played. 9/10 I'm asleep by the time the video ends. Ahhhh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnie4Q8zAnk
Also, whenever there is a topic on GAF that has a lot of... interesting... opinions in it, I listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc4Ha3T09Dk
So good. I can't wait until the Rayman Legends OST is released.
kitchenmotors
Banned
evilromero
Member
I enjoyed Rayman Origins on Wii but I never got very far into it. From what I played of the new Legends demo it's solid but I can't say it excites me or pushes me into a purchase.
Codeblew
Member
So you are the guy that took my name!
BriseFlots
Member
You should take a picture with Eatchildren as a sign of protest, that'll show him ^_~
Exterminieren
Banned
Nowhere near rational enough.
StrangeADT
Banned
And you'd quickly lose a great development team. Seriously, these devs are obviously talented. If they lose their jobs, they'll find another.
Freezie KO
Banned
While this isn't a serious insurrection or anything, I know a lot of people think this is all a ploy for publicity or to get on Nintendo fans' good side. Truth is that all this PR and hooplah about the delay will be completely forgotten by September though.
September is a long ways off. At worst, on Wii U, you're looking at some sort of first-party title in the August/September timeframe. If not a huge hitter like Mario Kart, you may end up with a 2D platformer like Yarn Yoshi. And a Nintendo-branded platformer could be just as bad for Rayman. And on PS3/360? All attention is going to be GTA 24/7. Not to mention the upcoming Durango/Orbis focus.
Rayman might've bombed if released now on Wii U. Regardless, none of this will be remembered in September, and I can't see the game's prospects being very good that month.
September is a long ways off. At worst, on Wii U, you're looking at some sort of first-party title in the August/September timeframe. If not a huge hitter like Mario Kart, you may end up with a 2D platformer like Yarn Yoshi. And a Nintendo-branded platformer could be just as bad for Rayman. And on PS3/360? All attention is going to be GTA 24/7. Not to mention the upcoming Durango/Orbis focus.
Rayman might've bombed if released now on Wii U. Regardless, none of this will be remembered in September, and I can't see the game's prospects being very good that month.