SaintMadeOfPlaster
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If one more person spells Pachter like Patcher, I swear...
Don't know why it gets to me, but it does.
Don't know why it gets to me, but it does.
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Analyst: Nintendo sold 55,000 Wii Us in March, 85,000 Wiis
- Thread starter ClovingWestbrook
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Dion Blaster
Member
"analyst", nice try
Yeah but think about how they were perceived, even though they turned out good.
Toon Zelda, Mario pollution sprayer, and Metroid in first person. Didn't that kind of hurt its appeal?
If they reveal another amazing, varied Mario, a traditional, sharp-looking Zelda, and any sort of Metroid Prime revival I think that people would be much less hesitant now. Basically if they seem as good as the Wii iterations.
Yeah but think about how they were perceived, even though they turned out good.
Toon Zelda, Mario pollution sprayer, and Metroid in first person. Didn't that kind of hurt its appeal?
If they reveal another amazing, varied Mario, a traditional, sharp-looking Zelda, and any sort of Metroid Prime revival I think that people would be much less hesitant now. Basically if they seem as good as the Wii iterations.
Wii U looks closer to the Saturn era at this point.
There's legit excitement surrounding the PS4 right now. Of course, they could always fuck it up with some $599 type of announcement but I've heard more talk about PS4 from "casual" gamers in the last 2 months than I've heard about the Wii U in the last 2 years. I don't know whether talk translates into sales but I don't see a reason to project the Wii U situation onto PS4/Durango.
clem84
Gold Member
It's going to have all of Nintendo's amazing games. Those games are always well received by the critics and the fans. So yes it has a bright future. Anyway you look at it. 3rd party support is a big question mark but that doesn't mean the console won't be worth the money. N64 and Gamecube both had terrible 3rd party support and they were great consoles IMO.
Fox Mulder
Member
I think the tablet streaming tech is cool, and possibly the future. Too bad they delivered an underpowered console with no games that alienated third parties again and a tablet controller with horrible battery life.
A move like that would only deter plenty of potential buyers from being early adopters of future Nintendo systems.
Tightening their belts and taking all the necessary steps for their next console to be a compelling proposition is a much better solution.
AZ Greg
Member
The Saturn had much better 3rd party support.
I'm sure Pikmin 3 and the Wonderful 101 will save the system. And if they don't, Bayonetta 2 will. And if that doesn't, Mario Kart and Mario Infinity will. Maybe Wind Waker? Project X? Fire Emblem x SMT?
Thinking about it, the Wii U is probably fucked in all likelihood. Japanese games dont have mass market appeal here. Whatever. I'll still get all those games.
Thinking about it, the Wii U is probably fucked in all likelihood. Japanese games dont have mass market appeal here. Whatever. I'll still get all those games.
They should have never called it WiiU. If I wasn't a gamer who actually researched these things, I would think it was a redesigned Wii and as a Wii owner, I wouldn't have bothered. I'm betting many people are thinking in that way.
Should have at least put a number after it. Wii 2 or something.
Should have at least put a number after it. Wii 2 or something.
Haha, the power of the avatar! Daryl is my favorite tv show character.
If I'm not mistaken, Metroid Prime is actually the best selling game in the entire franchise, so it wasn't that much of a detriment!
I think the problem is that a lot of fans never wanted to admit to the series being among the lower rungs of the Nintendo popularity ladder, so it going first-person wasn't really the scandal that a lot of people made it out to be.
shinra-bansho
Member
There isn't a lot of precedent for a February -> March increase, there's very little momentum for the system and people are overestimating the effect of a Monster Hunter port and Lego City.
From brief look, Monster Hunter Tri didn't appear to drive sales of the Wii when released.
Platinumstorm
Member
Oh look, the monthly [sometimes bi-weekly, and sometimes weekly] Nintendo doom thread!
Let me just ask this.
Why the hell would anyone want to buy something that doesn't have games that interest them that are available?
It's that simple - it's not some major flaw with the controller; yes, of course it could be improved: it's not a flaw with the system itself, it's because it has no content for anyone - casuals, kids, core, nothing!
The real shame is that the console is aging with no releases when the system could have been beefed up and released later this year when Nintendo had titles ready.
Let me just ask this.
Why the hell would anyone want to buy something that doesn't have games that interest them that are available?
It's that simple - it's not some major flaw with the controller; yes, of course it could be improved: it's not a flaw with the system itself, it's because it has no content for anyone - casuals, kids, core, nothing!
The real shame is that the console is aging with no releases when the system could have been beefed up and released later this year when Nintendo had titles ready.
Smiles and Cries
Member
ok what are the real sales?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yup. I'd been playing it out with indie games (with most of my focus on my 3DS) until Monster Hunter came out.
As stated before, I think any games > no games.
lol well it's one of those franchises that have a small but dedicated following. It's definitely not a big/popular franchise
I disagree. You are ignoring PS360 in that argument. Both PS360 will (most likely) will have their prices dropped for the holiday season. I doubt MSony will aim their next systems for a mass market success at launch. They will focus on the core gamers and will use the ps360 to target the other markets. Wii U will be competing with all four systems then. Nintendo isn't using this time...they were just unprepared for this launch. It's not going to get easier for them later in the year
AZ Greg
Member
Based on Pachter being high on his lately, probably closer to 45,000...
I do like the tablet controller in some instances, but my main concern is the cost that seemed to be tacked on by using it. They really are screwed this gen with the Wii U, I don't see a way out of this one. They either axe the console and leave day 1 buyers like myself in the cold to an extent, or they wait this thing out 4 years with little to no software library further turning off customers starved for games.
I want Nintendo to do well, but in all honesty they're screwed if they don't do something about it. I'd rather they burn the early adopters like myself, discontinue the console and call it a limited collectors release or something like that while announcing a new more powerful machine.
Q
qizah
Unconfirmed Member
It's just a feeling I have that these consoles are not going to move that many units when they're released. I'm basing this mostly off of the price that I'm guessing, $499. I just don't think they average person is going to put down $499 for a console, let alone $349 on a Wii U. I put $349 to get a Wii U, because it's my hobby, but I don't think the average person who doesn't go on GAF will.
Though people might be more willing depending on the software. The Wii U had big names but it was clearly lacking Nintendo support from the get go and is still lacking that support. Nintendo has definitely blown the year head start.
It's hard to tell so soon, but that's my guess!
Platinumstorm
Member
I don't think Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, or Baoynetta 2 will "save the system," also known as selling units. Mario Kart, the next Mario, and Zelda certainly can. It also might be time for Nintendo to pull out the stops and make the legendary Pokemon MMO.
SkyMasterson
Member
They need to:
1: Market the WiiU (explain to consumers that it's a new console)
2. Drop the price. Just $50 off each set.
3. Announce some kickass games at E3 .
I'm pretty sure even the GC had better sales at this point.
1: Market the WiiU (explain to consumers that it's a new console)
2. Drop the price. Just $50 off each set.
3. Announce some kickass games at E3 .
I'm pretty sure even the GC had better sales at this point.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
I don't even know what to say to the "PS4/720 are going to bomb too!" comments anymore.
All I know is that threads like these are going to be funny as hell to revisit a year from now.
All I know is that threads like these are going to be funny as hell to revisit a year from now.
Uhh. How about release some games? Monster Hunter is awesome and I'm loving it but it's not for everyone. When did the last big game come out? The last games I bought were launch titles and there has been nothing since. You can't release a system with no games and expect it to sell.
shinra-bansho
Member
And as I stated earlier, other systems have had major titles released in March, with fewer or no major titles released in February, and still not managed to increase their unit sales or weekly average unit sales in March.
Agreed, those two consoles aren't going to bomb. They'll have 3 things people want that the Wii U doesn't have.
1) Hardware power
2) Games
3) Good online gaming features/systems.
Three areas where Nintendo is struggling right now, one of which they can't fix, and the other two are iffy at best.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
What do you expect to happen in the mext 12 months to make this thread funny as hell?
DragonSworne
Banned
As long as MS and Sony actually advertise their systems instead of relying on previous console success, they should be fine.
I worry about MS though, I get the impression that they think people buy gaming consoles for things not related to gaming. :/
Platinumstorm
Member
I've thought they could do this as well and then offer redeemable vouchers for like 6 Nintendo X games [Physical copies preferably]. It's sort of an imaginary sales loss that really wouldn't burn early adopters in the process or hurt Nintendo directly. If they want to go with a tablet, then make sure the damn thing has multi-touch. The tablet is really fun to use, but the lack of multi-touch sucks.
Crimson_Gold
Member
It went out the launch window
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Iwata has himself to blame for this. Its not like when Obama came into the WH in 2009 dealing with all of the shit that his predecessor did. All of this falls squarely at the feet of Iwata.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
And NSMB U. They bet wayyyy to heavily on those two titles.
But it's not a difference of no major games to major games. It's a difference from no games period to mid-tier games.
We'll see. I think we both have a valid argument here.
AZ Greg
Member
PS4/720 not dipping below 100K.
Aquamarine
Member
Nintendo's March software refresh strategy was in line with industry precedent:
1. PS3 had one retail release in its first January and two retail releases in its first February.
2. 360 had zero retail releases in its first January and two retail releases in its first February.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
When Nintendo releases games third parties whine that they can't sell games on a system that have to compete with Nintendo's
Iwata talked about how they wanted to give third parties some room on the WiiU to shine and I think they got bit in the ass. It really is the very last time Nintendo should make that mistake.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
The PS4 and 720 not bombing? As well as other misguided statements that will turn out to be wrong.
They called it a Wii. That's the first time since Super Nintendo Entertainment System that their (nonhandheld) console had basically the same name. And since we all knew what the S meant...Super...we had no doubt that it was a new console. WTF does the U stand for?
People don't realize that it's a new console. They don't get it. We live in a world where the next console is "console name" with a "number" behind it. Even non-consoles.
iPhone 4 must be a different phone than iPhone 5. PS3 is a different console than PS4. Xbox is a different console than Xbox 360.
I guess if Nintendo's console could market graphics that looked better than 360/PS3, they wouldn't have this marketing problem.
Well, I know a lot of people did bought the PS1 for CD's, the PS2 for DVDs, and the PS3 for Blu-Ray. It's not unfathomable.
Damn, I own that game, and totally forgot it existed.
DragonSworne
Banned
Obviously. Their embarrassing E3 conference where they spent a minute showing off N64 level fireworks in Nintendoland clearly illustrates how important thw title was for them.
Nintendo was hoping that Nintendoland would act as a converting tool to introduce Wii gamers to traditional Nintendo franchises, but they sabotaged all their plans for the game with their abysmal presentation.
they banked big on that game. they clearly put a lot of production effort into it. huge amounts of content in it. some of the the minigames alone (like Zelda) could probably be torn apart and repurposed into full games. if it ends up delaying their major titles like 3D Mario & Kart, they're in for some serious trouble.
i don't agree with you here. i don't think its purpose is really that crazy. it's a game that pleases all audiences, hardcore and casual. that aligns with nintendo's branding of the Wii "U". i don't think its main purpose was put there to convert audiences, although it might also that as an additional purpose as well.
Interesting. How many titles did those systems have in March?
Agreed completely.
GoofsterStud
Member
What about the rumored $399 price got the PS4?
I don't think anyone would blink twice at a $50 difference. I also think people are ready for next generation. Wii motion was new... Tablet gaming is not new to the casuals. Nothing feels next generation on the Wii-U to me.
I think it's still to early to call the Wii-U out until the twice AAA games are released.
Uber, Undeserving, Umbrella?