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November Wrasslin' |OT| Survival Season Without The G

I saw this shirt at Hot Topic today
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Never even heard of it, I think it's a HT brand shirt or something
 

strobogo

Banned
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WCW Thunder 12/2/99

Norman Smiley vs The Wall WCW Hardcore Championship

Berlyn joined the announce team. Norman is in Taekwondo gear tonight. Berlyn tried to hit Norman with the title. He hit Wall. Title retained.

TO THE BACK. Lex Luger heads to the production truck. Do they always have a camera man inside the truck just in case? He wanted the tape rewound to see if Tenay really said he had to face Sid tonight. Elsewhere, Silver King challenges Dr. Death and wants his $10K check back. Elsewhere elsewhere, Gene talks to Kaz about his match with Maestro. JYD voice and all.

The Maestro vs Kaz Hayashi

Stro is already one of my least favorite dudes and he's only really been around for a month or two. That show where he played piano in EVERY backstage segment all night was brutal. Tenay is having a meeting with TPTB tomorrow to get Jarrett suspended and fined for hitting him with a guitar. Non one cares about Tenay's bird face getting hit with a guitar. David Flair comes out. Ref bump. He accidentally hit Kaz. Stro ran off. Kaz wins via count out.

TO THE BACK
. Lash and Disco arrive. The Mamalukes were close behind. Elsewhere, Chavo's phone rings and he's selling shit. Elsewhere elsewhere, Terry Taylor holds Lex's bag for him. Lex then gets bags from Jimmy Hart and attempts to leave. His tires were all flat.

Chavo Guerrero Jr. vs Buzzkill

Buzzkill has the New Age Outlaws rip off music and even does Road Dogg's entrance. Chavo has a suitcase full of tie dye and hippy stuff to sell to him. He's got this lava lamp thing that didn't work, but Buzzkill sold it like it was working. After Chavo tries to steal a while while Buzzkill is listening to music, Buzzkill hits him with the briefcase and wins. He paid Chavo for the lamp.

TO THE BACK.
Gene talks to Chris Benoit about his match with JUSHIN LIGER! Man, I'm both pumped and scared. Elsewhere, Meng enters his locker room. Disco and Lash switched his sign for their names, so the Mamalukes would get confused. Elsewhere elsewhere, we spy on Evan and Madusa. She's still saying she'll fuck him for a title shot.

Nitro recap.

TO THE BACK
. Lex regains his confidence. Elsewhere, Gene talks to Sid about his powerbomb match at Starrcade with Nash. Sid was playing with a Lex Luger action figure during the interview. Lex saw it and calls for a cab. Elsewhere elsewhere, Dr. Death and Oklahoma head to the ring. Elsewhere elsewhere elsewhere, The Mamalukes are mean to some security guards. The lock one in a walk in refrigerator.

Steve Williams vs Silver King/Villano IV/Villano V

Larry wouldn't do the match with OK. Oklahoma is claiming his BBQ fixed his face. Vamp came out and beat up OK. Doc pinned a Villano, but Silver King ran off with the check.

TO THE BACK.
Lex tries to sneak out. While talking to The Mamalukes, Silver King dives into his waiting cab. Elsewhere, Benoit and Liger head to the ring. Elsewhere elsewhere, The Mamalukes find Disco/Lash's locker room. They're going to wait for them to come out.

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Jushin Liger vs Chris Benoit

Liger actually got an entrance this time. Juvi, La Parka, and Psychosis came out before the match. Juvi joins for color. Juvi is doing Rock's lines. He definitely called Liger a monkey. They have a standard exchange of reversals with no one getting the upper hand until Benoit runs into a koppo kick. Nash vs Benoit is signed for Nitro as is Hall vs Benoit in a ladder match at Starrcade. Benoit is sent to the floor. Liger hits a crossbody from the top. Romero Special back in the ring. Brainbustaaah. Benoit tosses off a tornado DDT and they do a double clothesline. Snap suplex is followed by a back suplex. Liger got his foot on the ropes. Northern lariatoo. Huge superplex from Liger, with Benoit landing on his hip. La Parka and Hypno hit the ring and cause a DQ. Benoit and Liger fight them off.

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TO THE BACK.
Gene talks to Buff. Buff has a match with Meng tonight. Buff is the roadblock, not the speed bump. Elsewhere, The Mamalukes are still waiting for Lash and Disco. They argue and enter the locker room, only to find Meng. Meng beat them up. Elsewhere elsewhere, Lex is on the phone with I assume Terry Taylor, but there was no audio in the segment. Instead, we heard Buff's entrance theme the whole time.

Buff Bagwell vs Meng

They have a boring match. The Mamalukes came out. There was also a ref bump. The audio is a solid 50 seconds out of synch. Meng still won with the Tongan Death Grip.

TO THE BACK. Gene talks to Mona about a mixed tag match with Jarrett vs Evan/Madusa. Gene was staring at her tits. Jeff is going after Dustin Rhodes and Goldberg on Nitro. Elsewhere, Lex is stewing. Elsewhere elsewhere, The Mamalukes sell their beat down.

Jeff Jarrett/Mona vs Evan Karagias/Madusa

Russo's obsession for men face women is weird. Jeff never got involved and Evan pinned Mona with a twisting splash. Jeff hit her with the guitar after the match.

Bret Hart WCW retrospective.

TO THE BACK. Gene talks with the Revolution. They're a nation now. Can four people just decide they are a country? Saturn got muted and then the audio dropped out for quite a while. Elsewhere, Sid is getting pumped up. Elsewhere elsewhere, Lex is on the phone trying to get out of the match again. If he wins, he'll get a title shot on Nitro. Elsewhere elsewhere elsewhere, Disco and Lash talk with Gene. Lash says some stupid shit that I couldn't understand. Disco told him not to do the punch and dance move, because that's his gimmick.

Disco Inferno/Lash LeRoux vs The Revolution

The Revolution said some weird anti-American stuff and made fun of Italians. This brought out The Mamalukes. They attacked the Revolution. The match finally starts after security removes the Mamalukes. Shane is freaking out about the Constitution and being generally a cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk........roach. Dean won with the Cloverleaf.

TO THE BACK. Sid and Lex head to the ring.

Bret Hart comes out. He's going to do color because every match has to have a guest commentator.

The Total Package vs Sid

Lex tried to spray Sid with pepper spray. Liz came out and tried to spray Lex. Lex took from her and got to spray Sid. Sid powerbombed the ref. When you can't see, you can't feel the difference between a 300 pound man in trunks and a 160 pound fully clothed man. A second ref came in and counted a pin for Lex. Sid recovered and powerbombed Lex after the match.

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DQ Count: I don't give a shit anymore.
 
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You're almost free and clear Stro. You're almost there.
 

strobogo

Banned
You're almost free and clear Stro. You're almost there.

Almost. It's amazing how quickly Russo totally imploded. It took him about 3 weeks before he basically blew through all of his ideas, so he started doing shit like turning the Revolution into militant anti-Americans, breaking up every stable/team, abandoning Sting's heel turn, turning Sid face (and having Sid announce there was a new babyface in town), and so on.
 
Paige seems like a dirty dirty girl. That pale skin gets me all giggly. And not in a sexual objectification kind of way.



Adrian Neville is incredible. Someone higher up has to realize NXT puts on a better product than the main shows and PPV. They would probably muck it up. An hour is just not enough.
 

strobogo

Banned
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WCW Monday Nitro 12/6/99

I find it interesting that the intro still has the Nitro Girls, even though they aren't a thing anymore.

TO THE MEAN GENE.
Jeff Jarrett gets to open the show in the ring with Gene. Jeff says he's the chosen one and doesn't need TPTB or The Outsiders. He calls out Dustin Rhodes for a hornyacker Bunkhouse Brawl match. He also calls out anyone and everyone up to Bret and Goldberg. He threatens Gene with his guitar. This brings out old Bird Face Tenay to mean mug. Jeff attacks him and puts him in the figure four. BREAK HIS BIRD LEGS! Goldberg saves Tenay.

TO THE BACK. Tony Marinara tells The Mamalukes that they get no more screw ups.

TO THE POWERS THAT BE. Curt tries to get Virgil a gimmick. He gets it because his new gimmick is "Shane". As in Shane McMahon. From Virgil to Vincent to Curly Bill to Shane. Bertha Faye came in asking for her opportunity.

TO THE WOODS.
Finlay trains Knobs on how to be a true hardcore solider by putting him through an IRA boot camp.

Norman Smiley vs Rhonda Sing WCW Hardcore Championship

If Finlay was in the building, Norman would kick his ass. Norman called anyone out and Bertha was the one to accept. It bothers me that she was hired strictly so Russo could make fat woman jokes. Not that that wasn't a big part of her WWF run, but it was a little less transparent there since she was taken seriously as a wrestler at the same time. This is just blatant "I hired this fat broad to make fun of her every week". They have an actual match. Sadly, the wiggle was edited. Bertha goes through a table face first. Norman pins her. Title retained.

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TO THE BACK. Maestro is playing the piano, complaining that the middle C is out of tune. As he checks on it, David Flair steals Symphony and shuts the lid on Stro.

TO THE POWERS THAT BE. Dr. Claw Russo wants La Parka and Hypnosis to fight right now, with the winner defending the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship in Juvi's place. Hypno apparently won.

TO THE BACK.
Lex tries to give champagne. Elsewhere, Disco and Lash find Tony Marinara all alone in his office.

Jushin Liger vs Psychosis IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship

Juvi borked his arm, so Hypno gets to defend the title. This is the second time this year that he was defending a title he didn't even have a match for. This is the 3rd Liger match in his trip and if there isn't a Liger Bomb in this one, I will RIOT. Buzzkill is walking around in the audience. Liger sends Hypno to the floor and does a crossbody. Missile dropkick from Hypno. Super rana only gets 2. Koppo kick. Liger wins with a la magistral. New champion! BULLSHIT NO FUCKING LIGER BOMBS RUSSO YOU YANKEE CUNT I HOPE YOUR GOD DAMN DICK FALLS OFF. La Parka came out and hit Hypno with a chair after the match.

TO THE BACK. Some of the Nitro Girls are playing poker. The Mamalukes show up and hit on them, asking to play strip poker. Elsewhere, Lex is still trying to make things up to Liz. He's not doing a good job. Elsewhere elsewhere, Stro is looking for Symphony. Fuck Stro. Elsewhere elsewhere elsewhere, Gene again stares at Mona's tits. To be fair, she has a boob window like Ms. Marvel or something.

Evan Karagias vs Madusa vs Mona

If one of the women win, they will get a title shot. If Evan wins, neither women will get a title shot. Evan joins color commentary. He jumped back in to save Madusa, but she pinned him. So she gets the title shot. Jeff Jarrett ran out, threw Evan out of the ring, and hit Madusa with a guitar. He then challenges Goldberg to a match later tonight.

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TO THE BACK. Disco and Lash have Tony tied to a chair. Elsewhere, Lex seems to have made things up with Liz. Then she pours champagne on his head. SWERVE! Elsewhere elsewhere, Stro still looks for Symphony. If he had just turned around he would have seen her and David. Elsewhere elsewhere elsewhere, Gene talks to Vamp and Jerry Only about their tag match with OK/Doc. Tonight, the nightmare begins.

Steve Williams/Oklahoma vs Vampiro/Jerry Only

OK is doing play by play on his own match. OK starts out with Vamp. The running in ring commentary is kind of funny. He got his head set knocked off. Doc throws Jerry Only around. OK hits Only with a padded chair. I wonder if there were any real plans to push Dr. Death as a serious competitor. He's so out of place in this era of WCW. OK pins Vamp an elbow from the bottom rope.

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TO THE BACK.
Nitro Girls and The Mamalukes are playing strip poker. The girls are working them. Elsewhere, Disco and Lash are about tar and feather Tony. Disco put a Hitler mustache on Tony just for lols. Elsewhere elsewhere, Bret and Lex head to the arena. Elsewhere elsewhere elsewhere, Gene talks with The Outsiders. They aren't worried about their matches tonight.

Bret Hart vs Lex Luger WCW Championship

Let me get this straight, it takes WCW 2 full years to put the title on Bret, and when they do, they have him only defend his title in the hour one main event. From what I can tell, Sid is more of a main eventer than Bret right now. Lex has trouble taking off his pull away outfit because Lex isn't used to doing it on his own. Bret knocks the shit out of Lex in the ring and out. As Lex gets in control, Liz comes out. Sting is right behind her and says she has to choose between managing Lex or him. She leaves with Sting and Bret wins with the Sharpshooter. Title retained.

TO THE POWERS THAT BE
. What the fuck, they reaired the Virgil segment from earlier. What the hell? What a production botch.

TO THE BACK. Midnight is walking around looking for Stevie Ray.

TO THE POWERS THAT BE. Russo now wants La Parka to stand in the corner of the office forever and hit people with chairs when he cracks his fingers. Harlem Heat come in. Russo gives them a title shot at Starrcade. They're then attacked by La Parka, Hennig, Virgil, and Creative Control.

TO THE BACK.
Piper arrives in a limo. BUT WHO WAS LIMO?! He was talking about beers and ass zits. Elsewhere, David has Symphony somewhere in the building. Elsewhere elsewhere, Jerry Flynn offers another open challenge for The Block.

The Revolution come to the ring. They're now in black army gear. They reveal their own flag. TNT trying to mute fan chants is amazing. Shane called the US flag a piece of shit before revealing their new flag. Saturn compares themselves to the Black Panthers.

Asya vs Midnight

IT'S SABU! They have an awkward match since neither are really wrestlers. Nick Patrick was pulled out of the ring so 3 militant white men could beat on this black woman. Jim Duggan ran in for a save. He has a real board this week. The numbers game caught up to him. Shane blasted him with his cast.

TO THE BACK
. Larry Z asks Mike Graham about his urgent meeting with TPTB. Elsewhere, Piper walks around talking to himself. How was this guy allowed to institutionalize someone?

TO THE NITRO PARTY. Kind of. This was Daffney's debut as a fan who wanted to host a Nitro Party and really liked David Flair.

Roddy Piper vs Creative Control I Quit Match Special Guest Referee: Roddy Piper

That's not a typo. He is the ref of his own match. As long as the bell hasn't rang, Piper can tell them what to do, so he gives the brothers a stern pat down, definitely sexual assaulting them along the way. Piper bites and low blows before getting the shit knocked out of him. He was about to get a spike pilderiver on a chair when Goldberg ran in to help. He botches the jackhammer as Piper chokes the other guy out with his own tie. People get fired for that. Whichever brother quit and Piper wins. Seems like he could have just disqualified them at the start or something since he was his own ref. He and Goldberg have a weird stare down in the aisle before Piper raises Goldberg's arm.

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TO THE BACK. Tony Marinara is tarred and feathered. Elsewhere, The Nitro Girls are still working The Mamalukes. Vito offers a winner take all hand. Elsewhere elsewhere, Stro finds a shoe.

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Dustin Rhodes vs Meng

Dustin comes out in the Seven gear minus the paint. Meng no sells the bulldog. Double J comes out and causes a DQ. The Outsiders save Jeff from a Shattered Dreams. Meng gets hit with a guitar, but doesn't go down. Nash boots him out of the ring and powerbombs Dustin.

TO THE POWERS THAT BE. Russo asks Larry why Thunder sucks so much. Larry says none of the stars are on the show and it sucks because Russo is a shitty booker. Russo agrees about the stars and says he's going to make Thunder special again. This includes replacing announcers. Larry says the announcing is the only thing that makes sense on the show. Russo then books Hennig vs Larry. If Larry loses, he's fired. If Hennig wins, Russo is gone. Thunder go buried hardcore.

TO THE BACK. TAFKAPI makes his debut as TAFKAPI by hanging out in purple with a dove. GET IT?

Curt Hennig vs Larry Zbyszko

Larry comes out to the classic Nitro theme. This is kind of like TNA running two WCW guys in a match in 2009. The AWA can STICK IT, brothers. Except for Bock, and guys who also wrestled in Japan. Obviously there was a ref bump. Virgil broke up the guillotine. Arn Anderson came out and hit both heels with a baseball bat. Larry wins! That means TPTB are gone! Creative Control hit the ring and show Charles Robinson the replay. Dusty Finish! Larry is gone! Good. I'm sick of him burying everyone and putting himself over constantly.

TO THE BACK. Chris Benoit and The Outsiders head to the ring. Elsewhere, Disco sticks an apple in Tony's mouth. Elsewhere elsewhere, Vito apparently lost the bet and is naked. They saw the video of Tony Marinara (after it aired, which doesn't make sense to me, they reacted to it like they were seeing it in real time, but that wasn't possible).

Kevin Nash vs Chris Benoit

Hall was out and doing color on top of a ladder. Hall makes a bunch of insidery comments. Brain says something about Sting, which makes Hall ask for whatever Bobby's drinking. Benoit locked on the Iron Crossface. Hall hit the ref with the ladder. Benoit lays both guys out and does a cross body from the top of the ladder on Hall. Nash powerbombs him. Hall attempts the Edge on the ladder, but Sid pulled Benoit out of the hold before it could be completed.

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TO THE BACK. DDP arrives. Elsewhere, The Mamalukes have their clothes back and head for Tony Marinara. Elsewhere elsewhere, Gene asks Sting about Liz and his match with Hall tonight. He doesn't really say anything even though he was talking.

The Mamalukes come to the ring. Their theme is actually better than the Main Event Mafia's. They call Lash and Disco out. Instead, some girls come out. Oh wait, these are the strippers from last week. Disco and Lash attack from behind. Tony Marinara comes out with a pipe. Disco and Lash are carried out.

TO THE BACK. Stro is still looking for Symphony. Elsewhere, The Mamalukes put Disco and Lash in a car. Tony randomly falls to the ground for no reason. It was really strange. Disco and Lash took off in the car. SWERVE!

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TO THE BLOCK. Stro unwittingly entered The Block. What's really weird is that The Block has a sepia filter and old movie style scratches you'd find in Windows Media Maker. Stro is knocked out. As Flynn left, he was hit in the head by David Flair.

TO THE BACK. Gene talks with Nick Patrick. Nick bars everyone from ringside in Sting vs Hall unless they have a legal reason to be there. Elsewhere, Sting and Liz go over paper work as they head to the ring. Sid and Vito were briefly seen hanging out. You'd think Vito would be pretty upset and not hanging out casually drinking water with Sid. Elsewhere elsewhere elsewhere, DDP laces his boots.

Sting vs Scott Hall

Nash comes out to do color and Nick Patrick didn't seem to care. Liz is out with Sting, but she has managerial papers giving her the right to be at ringside. Nash immediately gets involved on the floor and instead of calling for a DQ, Patrick just sends him to the back. He should have done that before the match started. Hall does the IRS abdominal stretch spot. Liz pepper sprays Hall. Sting wins with the Scorpion Death Lock.

TO THE BACK. David is dragging Symphony to the arena. Elsewhere, DDP heads to the arena.

David brings Symphony to the ring. He calls Stro out, but DDP comes out instead. Kanyon Cutter. BANG! DDP talks about the rumors he's heard since he's been out. The main rumor is that he wanted out of his contract to go to the WWF. ZERO need to bring up the WWF here. He also said something about people he trusts doing the wrong thing, which makes Tony bring up Kim.

Sid vs DDP

The battle of the curly blonde mullets. What a surprise, another ref bump 2 minutes into the match. Powerbomb. The Outsiders hit the ring. Chris Benoit runs in to join the fight. Jeff Jarrett then comes in. Bret Hart also comes down. Security eventually separate everyone. DDP just left. Nick Patrick grabs a mic and says Jarrett/Goldberg will be a lumberjack match because the refs aren't putting up with this shit any more.

Goldberg vs Jeff Jarrett Lumberjack Match

The fight continued during the break. Goldberg ran down and tried to flip over the ropes. He kind of made it. I guess. Roddy Piper comes out and says he'll ref the match. Jeff won't start the match, even though he is the one who asked for it. Members of the Green Bay Packers stand at the ramp. Dustin Rhodes throws Jeff in the ring. Goldberg dominated. The lumberjacks got into a fight. Jeff hit Goldberg with a chair twice. Neither guy made it up for a 10 count, but the match continued. Nash repeatedly interfered. Bret hit Jeff with the title. Goldberg speared him. Cameras pretty much missed both. Jackhammer for the win. Has Jeff won any matches besides beating Buff?

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DQ Count:
This shit is like Whose Line. Don't worry about it.

More male on female violence, including 3 men beating on a woman who was sexually assaulted in the ring last week. The Revolution are full on militants now. Disco and Lash tar and feather a guy whose dad is a don. Bret Hart again defends his title in the first hour. Russo and Larry completely outright bury Thunder. The Thunder burial has to be near the top of my favorite Russo moments. They could have just gone with, "We're going to make Thunder important again". They didn't have to say it sucked and only losers wrestle on the show to make it a big deal that the top guys will be appearing on it now. And DDP's reference to a rumor of him jumping to the WWF was just an excuse to get another WWF name drop. Also, Oklahoma wrestled and pinned the real wrestler instead of the rock star non-wrestler that was also in the match.




Jeff Jarrett in Spring Breakers is one of the weirdest wrestler in a movie moments I've ever had.
 

charsace

Member
Either that or show it off better like Nash did. I mean, he's probably not that far off from where Nash was in his prime, but the baggy clothes don't help at all.

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Nash is a freak of nature. And he paid for having that kind of size on a tall body with a whole lot of injuries and surgeries.
 

strobogo

Banned
People tend to forget that Nash was a real athlete who started wrestling already with destroyed knees and was still capable of crazy athletic feats when he felt like trying. I feel like he tried more in 2003 WWE and TNA than he did at all in WCW.
 

Kaladin

Member
People tend to forget that Nash was a real athlete who started wrestling already with destroyed knees and was still capable of crazy athletic feats when he felt like trying. I feel like he tried more in 2003 WWE and TNA than he did at all in WCW.

Nash was great when he gave a fuck. But you could really tell when he was in it for the paycheck.
 

strobogo

Banned
I legitimately think Nash was as good or better than Hall in the ring. Hall has the rep that he was great, but couldn't get his shit together, but I don't think his actual ring work shows that. Just about every WWF match he had that didn't involve 123 Kid or HBK was boring. I think he actually tried more in WCW. Hall was faster and more in shape because he was smaller, but I think Nash was actually a better wrestler at least in terms of working his style better. I think Nash had better matches with HBK and Bret than they did with each other or with Hall. Nash has more enjoyable matches in WCW despite Hall trying more and Nash trying less.

I'm not saying I think Nash is a great wrestler, but I do think he's unfairly underrated in comparison to Scott Hall, who really doesn't have a legacy of great matches despite being seen as this great talent. Of the Kliq, I think Hall might actually be at the bottom of the list.
 
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That Nitro reads like a drunken night of shit you found fun while drunk, then you look at it the next day and say "man, most of that shit was STUPID. Except maybe 2 things." I love the idea of commentary trying to happen in-ring. So many insane ideas, most of them poor.
 
I legitimately think Nash was as good or better than Hall in the ring. Hall has the rep that he was great, but couldn't get his shit together, but I don't think his actual ring work shows that. Just about every WWF match he had that didn't involve 123 Kid or HBK was boring. I think he actually tried more in WCW. Hall was faster and more in shape because he was smaller, but I think Nash was actually a better wrestler at least in terms of working his style better. I think Nash had better matches with HBK and Bret than they did with each other or with Hall. Nash has more enjoyable matches in WCW despite Hall trying more and Nash trying less.

I'm not saying I think Nash is a great wrestler, but I do think he's unfairly underrated in comparison to Scott Hall, who really doesn't have a legacy of great matches despite being seen as this great talent. Of the Kliq, I think Hall might actually be at the bottom of the list.
Not challenging your opinion, but I would like to see a decent to great Nash match.....cause I can't think of any. I do agree with you about Hall though. Never thought he was that great outside of several matches, I just really liked his character. I do underrate Nash's character though, mostly because I dislike him.....but his character definitely had many hilarious moments.
 

Kaladin

Member
I legitimately think Nash was as good or better than Hall in the ring. Hall has the rep that he was great, but couldn't get his shit together, but I don't think his actual ring work shows that. Just about every WWF match he had that didn't involve 123 Kid or HBK was boring. I think he actually tried more in WCW. Hall was faster and more in shape because he was smaller, but I think Nash was actually a better wrestler at least in terms of working his style better. I think Nash had better matches with HBK and Bret than they did with each other or with Hall. Nash has more enjoyable matches in WCW despite Hall trying more and Nash trying less.

I'm not saying I think Nash is a great wrestler, but I do think he's unfairly underrated in comparison to Scott Hall, who really doesn't have a legacy of great matches despite being seen as this great talent. Of the Kliq, I think Hall might actually be at the bottom of the list.

I'm honestly struggling to remember any great ring work Hall did after the ladder match.

Was the 1,2,3 Kid stuff after that? Still, that was more angle and story telling than working the match...and it was really more Kid than Hall in that. I remember that was the first time I went "woah, jobbers can win things too?"
 

strobogo

Banned
To be fair, I was getting progressively drunker while watching the show. But all Russo WCW shows have that feel to them. The burying of Thunder was just fantastic. Thunder DID suck and everyone knew it, but that they had both the heel and face bury it on screen was great. That's such a Russo move. I'm really getting tired of the male on female stuff, though.


One of the things that really made WCW look low rent was having PPVs so early in the month and having tickets go on sale only a month in advance. WWE has WM/Summerslam tickets on sale 4-5 months in advance. Starrcade tickets didn't go on sale until a week before Mayhem. Starrcade is supposed to be WCW's Wrestlemania. Even in the bad years, WM tickets went on sale months in advance. WCW had their PPVs in the first or second week of the month and only had 3-4 weeks of ticket sales.
 

Kaladin

Member
Not challenging your opinion, but I would like to see a decent to great Nash match.....cause I can't think of any. I do agree with you about Hall though. Never thought he was that great outside of several matches, I just really liked his character. I do underrate Nash's character though, mostly because I dislike him.....but his character definitely had many hilarious moments.

It's been a while since I watched any of it, but I remember enjoying Nash's first run in WWF. He was good in The Outsiders initially too.
 

strobogo

Banned
Not challenging your opinion, but I would like to see a decent to great Nash match.....cause I can't think of any. I do agree with you about Hall though. Never thought he was that great outside of several matches, I just really liked his character. I do underrate Nash's character though, mostly because I dislike him.....but his character definitely had many hilarious moments.


I won't say great, but good matches include every match against HBK and Bret (even concussed, jort wearing Bret on either Nitro or Thunder in 2000), a random hardcore match against Sandman where he sold huge for Sandman most of the match, all of his matches with Goldberg, Hogan/Nash vs Goldberg/Flair was really fun, Nash vs Rey was fun, Nash vs Sabin, Nash vs Rock in 2002, Nash vs HHH in 2003 (I liked all of their matches), and one of the Nash/Jarrett matches in TNA was shockingly good. There was also a Nash/Booker match in 2000 where he put Booker over completely clean in a HIAC match that was pretty good.

I'm honestly struggling to remember any great ring work Hall did after the ladder match.

Was the 1,2,3 Kid stuff after that? Still, that was more angle and story telling than working the match...and it was really more Kid than Hall in that. I remember that was the first time I went "woah, jobbers can win things too?"

The Kid angle was in 1993. The ladder match was in 1994. I really can't think of any memorable Hall matches that didn't include Kid or HBK. Maybe the match with Bret at the 1993 Rumble. Hall SHOULD have been the better worker, and he was more versatile in terms of being able to switch from being the big monster or selling as the smaller man, (and bumped better/more and had a larger move set), but I think Nash has more matches that are memorable. Hall never reached his potential, whereas I think Nash exceeded his quite a bit at various times.
 
Nash vs. Bret from King of the Ring 1994 would have been one of Nash's best matches of all time if it didn't have such a screwball finish with Jim Neidhart getting Bret intentionally disqualified and running off.
 

bjork

Member
Nash vs. Bret from King of the Ring 1994 would have been one of Nash's best matches of all time if it didn't have such a screwball finish with Jim Neidhart getting Bret intentionally disqualified and running off.

I remember really liking the build they did for this, with the "how/can Bret put such long legs in a sharpshooter?" thing and the tale of the tape. It wasn't sold like every Rey match ever where Rey is this supposed underdog despite having wins over everyone in the company, but more like, Diesel is this big badass but Bret is Bret.

As far as Hall being lazy or whatever, during his Razor run there were a lot of matches that had to have the spot where he did the Razor's Edge setup too close to the ropes and got tossed outside. I feel like this was used for more than one Raw commercial break lead-in over the time he spent there. He had his sort of formulaic jobber match, and then his PPV matches would be a little different. But who else did he wrestle on PPV other than Bret/Nash/HBK? Jarrett and... I don't know who else. Was there anyone?
 

Kaladin

Member
I remember really liking the build they did for this, with the "how/can Bret put such long legs in a sharpshooter?" thing and the tale of the tape. It wasn't sold like every Rey match ever where Rey is this supposed underdog despite having wins over everyone in the company, but more like, Diesel is this big badass but Bret is Bret.

It's sad that modern day WWE has broken that build by overusing it to the point where when Cole says "Can Cena even get Big Show up in the AA?" you say, "But I just saw him do it six months ago."
 

bjork

Member
Yeah. I still really wish they'd lower the number of PPVs and bring back jobber matches. It would make big-match encounters (new ones, not ones they've done to death already) feel fresh and like something you need to see. Less need for dumb stuff like Cena burying a guy with chairs or raising the bar with spots to ridiculous levels.
 

DiscoJon

Banned
Debating about who is a better wrestler between Nash and Hall is like debating whether or not getting kicked in the balls is worse than getting punched in the balls.
 

KissVibes

Banned
IT'S CHRISTIAN'S BIRTHDAY!!!!

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Some of my favorites:

Christian vs Taka Michinuku for the Light Heavyweight Championship in his debut match [Raw - October 18th 1998]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBDRyOw7yCM

Christian & Edge vs The Hardy Boyz vs The Dudley Boys [WrestleMania X-Seven- April 1st 2001]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkj7HGxESD4

Christian vs RVD for the Intercontinental Championship [Raw - September 29th 2003]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En1yft9-Nkg

Christian vs John Cena vs Chris Jericho for the WWE Championship [Vengeance - June 26th 2005]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLeTl9mL1Vk

Christian vs Jeff Jarrett for the NWA Heavyweight Championship [Against All Odds - February 12th 2006]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJLFHmysnA

Christian vs Kurt Angle vs Sting for the NWA Heavyweight Championship [Sacrifice - May 13th 2007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaJx_tuU5D8

Rand Orton vs Christian for the World Heavyweight Championship [Summerslam - August 14th 2011]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnBiFxZuoBU

Various humorous moments with Captain Charisma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_lO8BttUy8

Christian Cage - The Instant Classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIZLiWPAQIE [Part 1]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBHfjDb_Q7M [Part 2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lpVJMDikbY [Part 3]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPFLSCaFV1M [Part 4]

Happy Charisma day, everyone!!!
 
I love Sandow, but he needs a better finisher, as the ones he's been using have just been falling flat. I actually like that he has a full nelson slam right now, but that's a hard thing to get over with an audience. And "You're Welcome" is a shitty name for a finisher. It'd be like calling the Stunner the "What?" or the Rock Bottom the "Eyebrow Lift". How about something like "Occam's Razor"? Or "Chekhov's Gun"? Or "Foucault's Pendulum"? Y'know, something that would tie into his gimmick of being a faux-intellectual?

Also, why did they waste his feud with Sheamus on TV? He feuded with Sheamus for like a month and a half, ending it on a great little street fight on Smackdown, when a feud like that seems, to me, to be a classic 3 PPV build - questionable ending 1st time around, Sandow wins match #2 (probably via cheating, and maybe with the modern WWE equivalent of a "bloody assault" afterward), Sheamus finally triumphs in the Dublin Street Fight in match #3 at, say, Summerslam. Both guys come out of it looking great (with Sandow being really elevated after proving on a big stage that he can hang with a guy who's in and out of the main event), "their guy" Sheamus still comes out on top, and you'e got one slot of three PPVs filled with matches that will actually MATTER, emotionally, to an audience.
 
Hey, we've got fans of women's wrestling here, right? Well, check this shit out;

SENDAI Girls, "SUPER GENERATION STRUGGLE", 2013.10.17
Tokyo Korakuen Hall
1,200 Fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGVfRu2p1Y

VETERANS vs NEW GENERATION - 8 vs 8 ELIMINATION MATCH:

Aja Kong, Dump Matsumoto, Dynamite Kansai, Kyoko Inoue, Manami Toyota, Meiko Satomura, Command Bolshoi & Takako Inoue vs Shuri, Yoshiko, Hikaru Shida, Kagetsu, Yuhi, Sareee, Manami Katsu & Takumi Iroha

This match is a whole lot of fun, with some of the biggest names in joshi wrestling from the 90's taking on the younger generation of talent from today's world of joshi wrestling. It's an 8 vs 8 singles match format, so it does go on for quite some time as you'd expect, but seriously; if you're a fan of women's wrestling, watch this. Or don't, whatever.
 

Rapstah

Member
Occam's Razor is a fantastic name for the You're Welcome. It being a finisher ties into the meaning of the phrase too. Everyone should immediately start bleeding from the forehead following it.
 

Striker

Member
I remember really liking the build they did for this, with the "how/can Bret put such long legs in a sharpshooter?" thing and the tale of the tape. It wasn't sold like every Rey match ever where Rey is this supposed underdog despite having wins over everyone in the company, but more like, Diesel is this big badass but Bret is Bret.
The way Bret attacked big guys like Diesel, Taker, Yoko, etc. by going for the leg was always a treat. He had tons of different ways to attack them. Putting Nash in the Figure Four on the ringpost was one of my memories of that, and Nash limping around afterwards selling it.

Owen Hart had a really fun contest with Vader, I believe in '96. Fit the whole underdog story and kept trying to scoop slam Vader (and eventually did!) but lost in the end. Still makes up for the good match because it didn't end in such predictable fashion like you'd see in a Rey/Kane match or something.
 

Mr. Sam

Member
Oh, and Christian and Orton's match at Over The Limit is their best one. The only match that year that could dream of touching Punk/Cena.
 

Nisa65

Member
Not long back from the NJPW show in Marugame this evening. Was just as fun to watch as the WWE house shows I've been to back home. Took some pics too.









I'll be arriving in Tokyo after a two week trip back to the UK on January 4th so I think I might just pick up a ticket for Wrestle Kingdom next week. Been wanting to visit Tokyo Dome since I first moved here.
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
Man, what a shitty morning. Still can't redeem this worthless PS+ card, shit isn't going right, dog is out of food so I gotta go get some more...it's like today is cursed.

Happy Charisma day, everyone!!!

Oh. Fuck you Christian.

Not long back from the NJPW show in Marugame this evening. Was just as fun to watch as the WWE house shows I've been to back home. Took some pics too.

I'll be arriving in Tokyo after a two week trip back to the UK on January 4th so I think I might just pick up a ticket for Wrestle Kingdom next week. Been wanting to visit Tokyo Dome since I first moved here.

Awesome pics. You should TOTALLY go to WK8. It's so huuuuuge!
 
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