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[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Ive stayed out of these resolution debates because In the released pics, I couldnt see why the difference was significant but in person? Oh boy. Lets put it this way, my friend is already considering selling his Xbox one and I dont blame him.

And sorry guys, there is no way of doing voice commands without looking like a berk. No thanks.

Side note: Kinect hand gestures are actually quite cool now.

 

[CarbonByGravity]

Nope. You can clearly tell that Killzone is better looking, but AC4 has blown me away. It's stunning.

AC4 does look great on PS4, but I can not say the same about the character model for the main protagonist. Wow, slapped with an ugly stick! I hate the way he looks. I wish I could customize him from head to toe.

 

[Xun]

Clearly there's more than just pixel resolution at play in that Gif. Definitely not the same assets.

Oh noez, why does 720p look better here?

What's up with the lack of grass?

 

[Curufinwe]

AC4 does look great on PS4, but I can not say the same about the character model for the main protagonist. Wow, slapped with an ugly stick! I hate the way he looks. I wish I could customize him from head to toe.

He's no Ezio, that's for sure.

 

[imt558]

Xbone's games is ugly. Really!

 

[Gabotron ES]

Isn't there an option to disable the filter?

Also, unbiased thread tittle.

 

[The Cowboy]

What's up with the lack of grass?

He made a 720p version with more things turned on (extra grass etc) and a 1080p version with things turned off (so it had more res with less assets), to demonstrate the same sort of difference to Dark Souls (that the better looking image had more assets, not just more res).

Unfortunately, the difference with Dark Souls was it was just more res with no extra assets at all.

 

[Xun]

He made a 720p version with more things turned on (extra grass etc) and a 1080p version with things turned off (so it had more res with less assets), to demonstrate the same sort of difference to Dark Souls (that the better looking image had more assets, not just more res).

Unfortunately, the difference with Dark Souls was it was just more res with no extra assets at all.

Ha, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[old manatee]

Those sharpening artifacts are hilarious. Looks like an image from a 15 year old digital camera. There just isn't a substitute for running at your displays native resolution and framerate. The sort of sharpening and motion blur they use to fudge it just takes more detail out of an already soft, choppy image.

 

[ChainsawFilms]

I seriously can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading in this thread. I just... can't

 

[travisbickle]

Ha, thanks for clearing that up.

There was a 3-4 week period, after we first heard that Xbone games would be a lower resolution, when that image was used to show there would be extra assets in the bone version because of the lower res. It didn't transpire.

 

[mechphree]

Looks ass ugly on the bone and the ps4 doesn't win any awards. You can tell they didn't use the system to their potentials because they were held back by last ten . Ac5 and the next cod will most likely look the same unless they aren't multi plats.

 

[Oppo]

I'm not so sure devs can "easily" turn off the scaling filter. That's my question. They are surely aware of it. But maybe if you use the hardware scaler, this is what you get right now. Not all games are going to want to create their own internal software scalers. PS3 had a problem where it could only scale in one direction and caused headaches for devs, when they had to scale the image inside the game as well.

 

[RaikuHebi]

I seriously can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading in this thread. I just... can't

Elaborate.

I can't tell if you just don't care about the debate at all, or if one side of the argument is rationalising compared to the other, or if both sides are rationalising in your eyes?

 

[GameAddict411]

Holy shit! AC4 already looks pretty sub par on PS4 due to all the last gen assets, but that Xbox One pic is something else. That's atrocious looking.

it's a cross gen title, so what were you expecting exactly? it's not like the PC version is any better and we have known about the sharpening filter for ages now.

 

[VE3TRO]

The 1080p upscaler filter on the Xbox One also applies anti-aliasing or some sort of similar technique and effects gamma along with sharpening.

Here is some shots from Killer Instinct running at 1080p on both. When you hit the Home button to go to the dash it removes the filter for a few frames before minimizing into the dash. This allowed me to capture some frames with the game not using the filter.

You can see some comparisons here. Left with sharpen upscaler - Right with nothing applied. Both captured from 1080p source.

I will post some more comparison screens on Tuesday when I receive Dead Rising 3, Battlefield 4 and Call of Duty Ghosts.

I posted more about this here - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91733203&postcount=190

Notice on the right screen with no filter applied in the background on the wooden beams how much aliasing is shown but it's not seen at all on the filtered screen.

 

[Doc Evils]

The technophiles' obsession with resolution is frankly quite disgusting at this point when it's quite obvious that there are more important things that should be focused on. I'm glad that at least MS are being visionaries in this regard with the XB1 and their labor-of-love filter that greatly improves picture quality.

I've read many fan boy posts before, but the wording here is rather...interesting

 

[Backfoggen]

PS3

Is this running on DOS?

 

[Lagspike_exe]

AC4 PS4 looks bad, but the Xbone version is just nasty. They didn't even try.

 

[moniker]

I'm not so sure devs can "easily" turn off the scaling filter. That's my question. They are surely aware of it. But maybe if you use the hardware scaler, this is what you get right now. Not all games are going to want to create their own internal software scalers. PS3 had a problem where it could only scale in one direction and caused headaches for devs, when they had to scale the image inside the game as well.

I wonder if that's why Crytek decided to use their own scaling solution for Ryse. They seem to care about IQ.

 

[plagiarize]

Yet again I find myself liking the Xbox shots more due to the washed out looking colours on the PS4 shots, this is occuring across multiple games now, what's the cause?

The cause is that the PS4 version isn't crushing blacks and fucking up the contrast. That's genuinely the cause. You can achieve an image on your TV that looks just like the Xbox One version by changing a few of your picture settings around.

Of course, you can't achieve the opposite.

That's really the crux of these arguments. You can, if you prefer, make the PS4 version look like the Xbox One version on your TV by lowering the brightness slider a bit, and turning up the sharpness. In games where the PS4 version has a resolution advantage it will look better that way to people who prefer the crushed blacks and added sharpness of the Xbox One version.

If like me you hate crushed blacks and sharpening filters, for a game like Assassin's Creed 4 your option is basically to throw away a third of the resolution by setting the Xbox One to 720p (which fixes the colours and turns off sharpening), or keep the resolution and suffer the crushed blacks and sharpening filter.

if you prefer the Xbox One shots, you can make the PS4 version look that way and better.

if you prefer the PS4 shots, you cannot make the Xbox One versions look the same no matter what you do.

saying 'it's a matter of preference' is stupid, as a result.

 

[TetraGenesis]

You keep the games MS give you where you rent the ps plus games,i rather keep them honestly.

Oh shut up. Not this crap again.

 

[Can Crusher]

I bet nobody was expecting this kind of secret sauce.

 

[KDR_11k]

Man I dont want ghosts at all but I REALLY want to play that space sequence

I'd suggest Shattered Horizon instead.

 

[Rad-]

I'm surprised even the PS4 shots look pretty bad here. Is it the compression or do they actually look like that?

 

[geomon]

The 1080p upscaler filter on the Xbox One also applies anti-aliasing or some sort of similar technique and effects gamma along with sharpening.

Here is some shots from Killer Instinct running at 1080p on both. When you hit the Home button to go to the dash it removes the filter for a few frames before minimizing into the dash. This allowed me to capture some frames with the game not using the filter.

You can see some comparisons here. Left with sharpen upscaler - Right with nothing applied. Both captured from 1080p source.

I will post some more comparison screens on Tuesday when I receive Dead Rising 3, Battlefield 4 and Call of Duty Ghosts.

I posted more about this here - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91733203&postcount=190

Notice on the right screen with no filter applied in the background on the wooden beams how much aliasing is shown but it's not seen at all on the filtered screen.

Well....dayum.

 

[Izayoi]

I can't believe The Verge, of all places, beat DF to some of these comparisons.

Standby that post and will continue to do so indefinitely, people seem to have misinterpreted it for whatever reason but it clearly shows resolution is not everything, incredible detail can be contained within the confines of low resolutions.

Those images look good because of super-sampling. Movies and photos are in no way, shape, or form comparable to videogames. alr1ght had a great post about it in one of these threads.

 

[DigitalOp]

People with Xbones saying they can't see the differences or prefer the Xbone version for added "crispness" or "pop".
People with PS4's saying the differences are huge and that the PS4 is da bes.

These threads are always the fucking same. Only good thing about it is the people getting caught underneath bish's hammer.

Gaming forum 101.

I have to say its been utterly fantastic living NextGen free... The console wars have been brutal. I'll just enjoy my handhelds. Great graphics on both systems there.

 

[HoodWinked]

The 1080p upscaler filter on the Xbox One also applies anti-aliasing or some sort of similar technique and effects gamma along with sharpening.

Here is some shots from Killer Instinct running at 1080p on both. When you hit the Home button to go to the dash it removes the filter for a few frames before minimizing into the dash. This allowed me to capture some frames with the game not using the filter.

You can see some comparisons here. Left with sharpen upscaler - Right with nothing applied. Both captured from 1080p source.

I will post some more comparison screens on Tuesday when I receive Dead Rising 3, Battlefield 4 and Call of Duty Ghosts.

I posted more about this here - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91733203&postcount=190

Notice on the right screen with no filter applied in the background on the wooden beams how much aliasing is shown but it's not seen at all on the filtered screen.

wow good work that's really cool stuff. lol doing better work than paid 'gaming journalists'

 

[Izayoi]

wow good work that's really cool stuff. lol doing better work than paid 'gaming journalists'

My reply to his post in the other thread:

It looks like some form of FXAA. Real AA is not being applied, as the step count on all edges is identical.

Compare his headband in these two images:

http://i1.minus.com/ibbly73f7uecIZ.png
http://i6.minus.com/ibjlCoWX6gxGXY.png

Stairs are identical. It's hard to see on some other edges, but it you look closely, you can see that the stair count across the entire image remains unchanged.

If I weren't at work I'd fire up an image editor and point out some of the more obvious spots.

 

[Mandoric]

Why not accept, that people might like the sharp look more? I know it's a cheap trick to make up for the lower resolution but just because of that it doesn't look bad per se. It's like telling someone who likes the Ramones, that their music is shit because they can only play 3 power chords.

(Disclaimer: I also prefer the PS4 shots)

It's more like people who insist that a Ramones cover played by guys who could only find -two- chords is not only just as good, but the original three-chord version is a muted mess.

If neon colors and heavily-emphasized edges were an actual stylistic decision, they'd continue to show up on the Xbox when displaying in native res, and they'd be implemented as alternate textures and moderate cel-shading rather than the same damn assets transforming when viewed on one system at one resolution.

 

[Ashadian]

Yet again I find myself liking the Xbox shots more due to the washed out looking colours on the PS4 shots, this is occuring across multiple games now, what's the cause?
EDIT:
OOOF ok that second COD: Ghosts shot........ that's kind of a bit more blatent, that's a big ding on the Xbox One for sure.
EDIT2: and Madden? Nope prefer the contrast on the Xbox One shot again, resolution difference is minimal.
Really really hard to spot the difference on the NBA shot, couldn't care less.

Clearly you should have went to Spec Savers!

 

[SJRB]

wow good work that's really cool stuff. lol doing better work than paid 'gaming journalists'

Tomorrow Kotaku probably comes with an article about the Xbone sharpening filter using Killer Instinct screengrabs.

 

[waypoetic]

Looking at all those pictures in the Verge article, man, i wish next-gen was more impressive than that. Oh well, can't wait to see what it'll deliver in 2 years or so

 

[HoodWinked]

My reply to his post in the other thread:

It looks like some form of FXAA. Real AA is not being applied, as the step count on all edges is identical.

Compare his headband in these two images:

http://i1.minus.com/ibbly73f7uecIZ.png
http://i6.minus.com/ibjlCoWX6gxGXY.png

Stairs are identical. It's hard to see on some other edges, but it you look closely, you can see that the stair count across the entire image remains unchanged.

If I weren't at work I'd fire up an image editor and point out some of the more obvious spots.

yah its a post process filter if they didnt go overboard on the contrast it actually would be a very impressive upscaler. this is actually very similar to how all those post process injectors work on pc because they only use the final frame buffer. people seem to love ENB, sweetFX, aa injectors, etc if they give people a bit more controls over it that would be neat.

 

[Izayoi]

yah its a post process filter if they didnt go overboard on the contrast it actually would be a very impressive upscaler.

Microsoft is literally using SweetFX when upscaling images, it seems like.

Now if only they could turn off everything except the FXAA/SMAA. I feel like I'm wading through shitty Skyrim presets all over again.

 

[SJRB]

Looking at all those pictures in the Verge article, man, i wish next-gen was more impressive than that. Oh well, can't wait to see what it'll deliver in 2 years or so

AC4 is a cross-generation game, what do you expect? If you want mindblowing visuals check Killzone or Ryse.

 

[Waaghals]

Clearly there's more than just pixel resolution at play in that Gif. Definitely not the same assets.

Oh noez, why does 720p look better here?

It's Dark Souls, it launched without a resolution option. There are no graphics settings.
The screenshot you posted however features a much lower level of detail. You essentially did what you accused someone else of doing.

 

[evilalien]

The 1080p upscaler filter on the Xbox One also applies anti-aliasing or some sort of similar technique and effects gamma along with sharpening.

Here is some shots from Killer Instinct running at 1080p on both. When you hit the Home button to go to the dash it removes the filter for a few frames before minimizing into the dash. This allowed me to capture some frames with the game not using the filter.

You can see some comparisons here. Left with sharpen upscaler - Right with nothing applied. Both captured from 1080p source.

I will post some more comparison screens on Tuesday when I receive Dead Rising 3, Battlefield 4 and Call of Duty Ghosts.

I posted more about this here - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91733203&postcount=190

Notice on the right screen with no filter applied in the background on the wooden beams how much aliasing is shown but it's not seen at all on the filtered screen.

This is interesting. There are still very clear sharpening halos going on in the right image, so I'm curious why the gamma is so different. Both images are still 720p but the right one is lacking FXAA. Have you tried this with some other games? It would be good to see if the same thing happens with another game before you can conclude that the antialiasing is coming from the upscaling solution. You should probably try this with Killer Instinct and the XBone set to 720p too which we know disables the sharpening upscaler. Getting caps in the first few frames of snapping something just throws in too many variables to make the conclusions you did.

 

[chubigans]

The 1080p upscaler filter on the Xbox One also applies anti-aliasing or some sort of similar technique and effects gamma along with sharpening.

Here is some shots from Killer Instinct running at 1080p on both. When you hit the Home button to go to the dash it removes the filter for a few frames before minimizing into the dash. This allowed me to capture some frames with the game not using the filter.

You can see some comparisons here. Left with sharpen upscaler - Right with nothing applied. Both captured from 1080p source.

I will post some more comparison screens on Tuesday when I receive Dead Rising 3, Battlefield 4 and Call of Duty Ghosts.

I posted more about this here - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=91733203&postcount=190

Notice on the right screen with no filter applied in the background on the wooden beams how much aliasing is shown but it's not seen at all on the filtered screen.

Man that's insane how much detail is lost. I'll add to the OP once I'm back on my PC.

 

[Sydle]

I'm having a hard time spotting the major difference, but that may be because I can't get over the initial impression they both look bad.

 

[VE3TRO]

This is interesting. There are still very clear sharpening halos going on in the right image, so I'm curious why the gamma is so different. Both images are still 720p but the right one is lacking FXAA. Have you tried this with some other games? It would be good to see if the same thing happens with another game before you can conclude that the antialiasing is coming from the upscaling solution. You should probably try this with Killer Instinct and the XBone set to 720p too which we know disables the sharpening upscaler. Getting caps in the first few frames of snapping something just throws in too many variables to make the conclusions you did.

I'll be trying out the following.

• Dead Rising 3 - 720p @ 30fps
• Call of Duty Ghosts - 720p @ 60fps
• Battlefiled 4 - 720p @ 60fps
• Assassins Creed 4 - 900p @ 30fps
• Ryse - 900p @ 30fps - May not show any difference due to ingame scaler.

I checked out the same scenes in 720p on Killer Instinct and the aliasing is non existent in both shots so it looks like the game only produces aliasing when played in 1080p and the upscaler isn't in effect.

I'll post some of the screens when I'm back at the PC.

 

[GravyButt]

Really considering selling my xbox one to my friend. I honestly dont have a ton of time to play anymore and its going to get worse with a baby in March.

Already have a ps4 and a gaming pc. Whats GAFs thoughts. Also, exclusives dont really matter to me.

 

[RaikuHebi]

Really considering selling my xbox one to my friend. I honestly dont have a ton of time to play anymore and its going to get worse with a baby in March.

Already have a ps4 and a gaming pc. Whats GAFs thoughts. Also, exclusives dont really matter to me.

Definitely sell it.

 

[GravyButt]

Definitely sell it.

Ya you think? Its been bugging me all night. Its not really a money thing, just a "is it going to collect dust" thing

 

[omonimo]

I'll be trying out the following.

• Dead Rising 3 - 720p @ 30fps
• Call of Duty Ghosts - 720p @ 60fps
• Battlefiled 4 - 720p @ 60fps
• Assassins Creed 4 - 900p @ 30fps
• Ryse - 900p @ 30fps - May not show any difference due to ingame scaler.

I checked out the same scenes in 720p on Killer Instinct and the aliasing is non existent in both shots so it looks like the game only produces aliasing when played in 1080p and the upscaler isn't in effect.

I'll post some of the screens when I'm back at the PC.

In my dreams, yes.

 

[RaikuHebi]

Ya you think? Its been bugging me all night. Its not really a money thing, just a "is it going to collect dust" thing

PS4 and PC is enough. The only game worth keeping it for is on PC.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Really considering selling my xbox one to my friend. I honestly dont have a ton of time to play anymore and its going to get worse with a baby in March.

Already have a ps4 and a gaming pc. Whats GAFs thoughts. Also, exclusives dont really matter to me.

If you don't care about any of the exclusives than sell IMO. PS4+PC has you covered

 

[hokagespit]

Ya you think? Its been bugging me all night. Its not really a money thing, just a "is it going to collect dust" thing

hard to tell at this point. but if you got a good pc chances re youll be able to play most one titles on that. too early to say for sure. dust may settle until you need it though

 

[QaaQer]

Really considering selling my xbox one to my friend. I honestly dont have a ton of time to play anymore and its going to get worse with a baby in March.

Already have a ps4 and a gaming pc. Whats GAFs thoughts. Also, exclusives dont really matter to me.

You have a baby coming. Fucking sell that shit, you wont get a better price than you will right now.

I'd buy a 3ds and a vita for the portability and insta-suspend; possibly a wii u for off-screen & maybe I'd keep the ps4 if off-screen w/ vita if adding 100 ms lag doesn't bother you.

Congrats btw. enjoy it cuz time flies.