hardcastlemccormick
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EDIT: Post after me actually uses facts. Badass info.
Mael said:FFS people, it's really part of the link I gave he talks about some of his hobbies were made into games and all.
Seriously I'm pretty sure there's an interview somewhere with this, it shouldn't be too hard to find (I can't search now so you'll have to search or wait for that).
About wiifit, I'm pretty sure in the IA he talked about how he got the concept from weighing himself so you've got here an example of putting Miyamoto as the gamegod of Nintendo handing ideas from his immortal hands to mere mortals if you want one.
Mael said:Well consider the fact that their most interesting project gamewise lately are sports game with the most minimal content possible and a pet simulator :/
Consider the fact that on their last 3/4 Zelda games have either been OoT retread or content that clashes totally with Zelda's universe (train for example).
Mario has either no new content at all (nsmbs) or content put in a blender to make players go through obstacle courses in the most abstract possible way (Galaxies)
I won't even go into Metroid who either got shat on or was not made by Ncl.
This totally explains why there's literally no new content made at Ncl since they can always go their treasure of prototype, mesh it into one of their existing franchises and call it a day.
Mael said:My whole point was that their marketing in based on approximations and lies.
Mael said:It's a publicly traded company, they must be wary of what they say because they've got legal obligations to them.
Mael said:You took the time to catch my edit and still came up with that?
seriously I'm not arguing that SM made the game alone in his garden or something.
I'm arguing that they're giving credit to SM about the game idea when really they should have credited the prototype to begin with.
Kinda like with SSB where they credit Sakurai for the idea, concept and all (and I'm not arguing that this story is false or anything, I'm saying they're giving the same weight on pikmin's creatiion to SM as SSB's Sakurai)
Mael said:It's still a gross exageration to credit only 1 person for a game or any project of that scale, but that's marketing for you.
AdventureRacing said:Who the hell cares? So when avatar 2 is released and they say in the tag line "from the mind of James Cameron" are you going to go off the wall because he didn't make the entire idea/film by himself?
JimboJones said:lol you get to the end of Pikmin it just says:
GAME MAKERER
SHIGSY
THE END
?
Still if Nintendo at the Q&A misappropriated (no spellcheck on FF :/) the credit to Miyamoto when they were directly asked to investors that's quite clearly a lie to investors when asked.Kato said:They? Who is they? Nintendo at the investors Q&A? Nintendo giving credit to a prototype? While the garden idea is what made Pikmin in what it is? You know that investors want to see one thing only... Money in return and done legally. Not giving credit to a prototype Nintendo themselves acquired, (<- thank god for spell check in Chrome for that damn word), put on hold, then worked on it a bit, but instead explaining the idea came from one of Myamoto's hobbies and creative injection which led to Pikmin is nothing an investor would loose sleep over..
AdventureRacing said:Who the hell cares? So when avatar 2 is released and they say in the tag line "from the mind of James Cameron" are you going to go off the wall because he didn't make the entire idea/film by himself?
me said:AdventureRacing, I'm not even going to bother with you.
When you come up with stuff like 'who cares if lies are fed to investors' it's pretty clear it's not worth the time.
hardcastle_mccormick said:So basically Mael, what you're saying is is that when a poster says a single stupid thing, we're free to disregard everything else they say?
Sign me up!
It doesn't ignore that he/she has legit points that you can't seem to argue against.
Mael said:AdventureRacing, I'm not even going to bother with you.
When you come up with stuff like 'who cares if lies are fed to investors' it's pretty clear it's not worth the time.
Mael said:Huh really I can't be arsed to reply to someone who can't even grasp that a publicly traded company mustn't lie to its investor(or the market at large) and doesn't seem to even want to grasp that idea.
It's a waste of time for everyone, on top of that his example is really really bad.
Mael said:Huh really I can't be arsed to reply to someone who can't even grasp that a publicly traded company mustn't lie to its investor(or the market at large) and doesn't seem to even want to grasp that idea.
It's a waste of time for everyone, on top of that his example is really really bad.
I mean comparing an investor Q&A to the tagline of a poster on the street?
Mael said:Huh really I can't be arsed to reply to someone who can't even grasp that a publicly traded company mustn't lie to its investor(or the market at large) and doesn't seem to even want to grasp that idea.
Mael said:I mean comparing an investor Q&A to the tagline of a poster on the street?
Nothing like that at all:Sennorin said:And nothing like that did happen.
Others have explained to you in detail why you´re wrong. Admit defeat in this debate and don´t take this any further that childishly.
As if investors would give a shit. If nintendo said they were going to sell 30 million 3DS's this year and they only sold 10 million investors would go ape shit. They don't care about where a certain develop got their inspiration for one specific game. Especially when you consider that it's such a small game in terms of nintendos overall output.
AdventureRacing said:You're pretending you have a greater understanding of the market than you really do (i know i'm not an expert so i won't pretend to be). What i do know is that investors care about profit and growth. They don't give a shit that a game designers influence is perhaps being slightly overstated.
Real classy.hardcastle_mccormick said:
Mael said:Are you all dense?
The investor asked in the Q&A specificly about Pikmin and how it was made by SM's hobbies. If he cares enough to ask the question about it that meanst that the CEO should give him the truth about it, that's how it works.
I have no problem with them lying anyway about what they want, I (and others believe me on that) have a problem if it's proven they've lied to their investors (because they can be sued for that)AdventureRacing said:That wasn't the comparison i was making that was a separate point altogether which had nothing to do with investors. That was purely in response to your anger about nintendo supposedly lying about who gets credit for game ideas.
Which is what I'm trying to check in the first place.Rhod said:But, what makes you think that he didn't give him the truth?
you might want to drop the cigar it might be a bit hot in your cavehardcastle_mccormick said:I do try my very best, good sir. Would you like some more wine, or is that cigar in the way?
YoungFa said:Real classy.
Rhod said:Mael, I can't believe I followed your link to that question, but I want to try and help you calm down.
Miyamoto says:
"It is true that some of my hobbies have turned out to be the themes in our games."
He doesn't say:
"It is true that some of my hobbies have turned out to inspire the entire game design in our games."
Rhod said:Mael, I can't believe I followed your link to that question, but I want to try and help you calm down.
Miyamoto says:
"It is true that some of my hobbies have turned out to be the themes in our games."
He doesn't say:
"It is true that some of my hobbies have turned out to inspire the entire game design in our games."
And now you've grown hairs, I'm still waiting for the club to go with it, by the way do you prefer caves or the usual under the bridge? I never know this days which one your likes preferhardcastle_mccormick said:Nononono see he's hunting through Nintendo's past articles and interviews, he'll find that Nintendo said Miyamoto pooped out perfectly pressed Super Mario Galaxy discs one night
Mael said:And now you've grown hairs, I'm still waiting for the club to go with it.
Rhod said:Mael, I can't believe I followed your link to that question, but I want to try and help you calm down.
Miyamoto says:
"It is true that some of my hobbies have turned out to be the themes in our games."
He doesn't say:
"It is true that some of my hobbies have turned out to inspire the entire game design in our games."
Shigeru Miyamoto said:On a slightly different topic, one of the great things about video games is that while you're making one, you can test it, break it down, and adjust it. So in my case, the greater portion of what's important about my creativity might happen only after I have start working on it. (laughs)
Al Capone was caught for a posting error or something you know :/Fantastical said:You're making a mountain out of a mole hill even if it is true.
What?Mael said:Al Capone was caught for a posting error or something you know :/
Mael said:Are you all dense?
The investor asked in the Q&A specificly about Pikmin and how it was made by SM's hobbies. If he cares enough to ask the question about it that meanst that the CEO should give him the truth about it, that's how it works.
Mael said:But ok I thought wrongly that on this forum at least it wasn't just freaking kids with no grasp of how a company actually works, I guess I won't bother pointing contradictions next time.
Seriously
"So when avatar 2 is released and they say in the tag line "from the mind of James Cameron" are you going to go off the wall because he didn't make the entire idea/film by himself?"
He's not referring an investor Q&A or any formal event where a CEO has to talk to people who gave him money what they did with it. I really can't help it if you really think it's the same, we'll part ways since you've apparently decided that making me waste my time is actually better than having a discussion, thanks for the trolling.
Mael said:Because they fucking asked for it? I'm not kidding check the link provided to see what I'm talking about.
If you actually care about the whole thing instead of just messing around it's here
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Mael said:Al Capone was caught for a posting error or something you know :/
hardcastle_mccormick said:Taking your (what you may consider subtle) character attacks to private messages? Mael, I'm very disappointed in you.
If you hadn't resorted to calling everyone names perhaps this debate might have been resolved. It's a shame you seem to see even the most gentle debate as trolling.
EDIT: Shocking Alberto, why do you always have to be right?
I wasn't actually serious about that part...but still good catch.ShockingAlberto said:I don't actually see the need to argue with someone who draws a line in the sand with the argument that Nintendo lied to investors about the 3DS being a DS successor.
I was thinking of something else entirely disregard my comment.Fantastical said:What?
AdventureRacing said:First of all Miyamoto did give him the truth about how it works. Have you even read the Q&A that you keep linking? He makes it pretty damn clear how his personal inspirations have impacted on game projects.
AdventureRacing said:Even if the information in the OP is true what Miyamoto is saying isn't a lie. You could perhaps argue that his influence on the project is being overstated (which i completely disagree with) but he isn't lying about anything.
AdventureRacing said:I already explained what that comment was about and it had nothing to do with investors. You're just concentrating on and twisting this one point to ignore everything else i said.
That's not what I'm arguing either or my problem with it too.AdventureRacing said:They asked how his personal inspirations have influenced certain games and what potential this could have on future games. He answered this truthfully.
How is it relevant that some part of the game design was inspired by a previous game? Miyamoto never said that he came up with everything whilst he was sitting in his garden.
You've got a weird definition of meltdown.hardcastle_mccormick said:EDIT2: Judging from the PM meltdown I just received, this is probably over.
Mael said:You're having way too much fun for a debate on the web...I nearly picture you standing while high fiving the air
We can post the exchange here if you want I think I said as much, I'd prefer not to since it's really OT though.
Which debate? the one where I give a link with a crucial point to my argumentation that no one cares to follow even though I stated I couldn't check it?hardcastle_mccormick said:If people want to read more of you accusing me of trolling then I think we've had enough of that fill.
I have enjoyed this debate, I won't lie. Time to stop though.
I've said it before I'll say it again, the problem is that they take credit from stuffs they didn't do or misappropriate the credit (and if it's part of the meetings it's a lie to investor....but so far I don't know I'll check later).
Actually my point is I'll be checking if he lied about it or not, I'm perfectly aware that his influence is overstated (as Aonuma's btw)
Mael said:What debate?
hardcastle_mccormick said:That's true, you haven't actually argued against any of the posts I made on the last page, so this was likely not a debate and just me yelling at a wall.
Shikamaru Ninja said:who is they in this case? Also what exactly are they taking credit for in this case?
Well yeah but he's usually seen as the one directing the Zelda games (as such that Spirit Train is his baby when even in interview we can see that's not really the case).Shikamaru Ninja said:Two completely different examples though. Eiji Aonuma is a physical game producer and small team manager who dedicates his 24/7 to roughly 2 games at a time. Miyamoto is an R&D manager and division manager who dedicates his 24/7 to fiscal board discussions, public relations interviews, and small managerial and supervisory on tons of random things.
ShockingAlbertoShockingAlberto said:Your hamfisted style of arguing makes it difficult to tell when you're serious and when you're not.
This could benefit you. You could write the last few pages off as a joke and not a pained example of losing yourself to an argument.
BurntPork said:
hey thanks, you can be helpful when you want to.hardcastle_mccormick said:It's the credits roll for Pikmin.
Mael said:Real smooth, someone can tell me what it is since I can't access youtube?
Fantastical said:Ah, I see. I misunderstood the article. That's even less interesting.
Miyamoto probably doesn't even like swimming!
BurntPork said: