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360/PS3/WII: Wii Takeover watch

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F#A#Oo

Banned
Xavien said:
Looking good and selling good are two completely different things.
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What has sales got to do with anything? That was not the question asked...nor what Moku was lol'in.

Saint Gregory said Zack and Wki will make up for the shítty non support from Capcom previously.
 
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Phife Dawg

Member
F#A#Oo said:
What has sales got to do with anything? That was not the question asked...nor what Moku was lol'in.

Saint Gregory said Zack and Wki will make up for the shítty non support from Capcom previously.
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Saint Gregory said:
Capcom should have a huge advantage over other 3rd party devs on the Wii as they're one of the few to have supported the gamecube with exclusive games. Based on what they were able to do with RE4 they should know the gamecube hardware inside and out and be able to apply that knowledge to the Wii.

The fact that they didn't hit the ground running with games that blow the other 3rd parties out of the water seems like a missed opportunity but Zach and Wiki will hopefully do well enough to make up for that. The market for lightgun games seems like it's pretty limited to me so I don't have high hopes for UC, but they have made a good chunk of change with the RE4 port so let's see if they reinvest that back into the system.
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Not to chime in on the discussion but they were talking about sales and I too don't think Z&W will be a blockbuster title.
 
H

Hcoregamer00

The 'H' stands for hentai.
JJConrad said:
I realize these arguments will probably never go away and that it'll take something like FF13 cancelled on the PS3 and moved to Wii to shut most people up (of course, they'll then start complaining about other things). The same half dozen games have kept getting named for the last 2 years and will continue to be so until their all released (some will probably be named for 2 more years).

If you look at the recent announcement (pretty much this entire year) the majority of the smaller-resource games have been for Wii and developers are finding ways to make their yearly multiplatfrom games for every platform. The Wii has only been lacking in the 3rd party big blockbuster titles.... the games that take 2-4 years to make. It's completely natural for these smaller games to be announced sooner because they're closer to completetion, while larger games would only be about 20% complete at this point. These smaller developers are able to adjust quicker to market changes.

Personally, I think these smaller games are more important to a console than the big blockbuster games. It was these smaller games that defined the first two Playstations. The N64 had the biggest blockbusters of its generation, it even had a decent selection of multiplatform games, but the PS1 killed it in variety, the number of titles and support. The PS2 was similar in that while the Xbox and Gamecube skewed sharply in opposites directions, the PS2 offerred a more of everything to everyone.

They also make the library look more active and that the system has more potential. The N64 quickly got a reputation of having nothing new being released. It wasn't really true, but when compared to the PS1 it might as well have been. The PS3 is gaining a similar image, even though the 360's line-up is only about 2/3 that of the Xbox's at the same point in their lifetime. Both consoles could use more of these small budget titles to pad their schedules.

Most of game announced for the Wii this year I have little to no interest in playing. The same was true in past generations. But I think most people like having a system that gives them those optionals.

It's late and I'm tired, so I'm just going to post this as is... the stuff below was written first, but I doubt anyone made it this far.


I've always been amused by how often Capcom gets brought when mentioning strong 360 support, weak Wii support, and the worldwide marketplace. It's kinda similar to the Gamecube and PS2. The Capcom 5 got most of the attention, but the bulk of there games and sales were still on the PS2. Capcom's great 360 support has been 1 game last year, 2 games this year and another game sometime before 2010. In the meantime, their Wii games don't get the same attention, but according to Capcom they expect them to sell more this year worldwide(and that was before RE4 smashed their expectations).
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Great post, I agree with you.

In Japan there will be an inevitable shift to the wii, but it will be less pronounced.

The smaller companies are already announced a majority of their games on the Wii, the larger companies are starting to do so. The large projects that take a while and most of them were in production for the PS3 because they thought that this generation would pan out the same as last generation, with sony on top and everyone else fighting for scraps. Little would they predict that it would be Nintendo on top with everyone else fighting it out.

That in itself is a seismic shift from last generation, which easily explains why there are a lot of games that continue to be announced for the last place platform.

Then we consider that most developers are in disbelief because for 10 years it way in Sony's court and they are still in shock that Nintendo would take it from them. I think that many of them honestly believe the Wii is a fad and that if they ignore the Wii it will go away. They will be shocked as they see the Wii get higher and higher in sales and kick themselves for not taking advantage of it.
 
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Arde5643

Member
Since Wii has now passed 360 world-wide, should the next takeover goals be:

1) Wii LTD passed 360 LTD in US
2) Wii LTD passed both 360+PS3 LTD worldwide.

Any other goals to look forward to?
 
H

Hcoregamer00

The 'H' stands for hentai.
Arde5643 said:
Since Wii has now passed 360 world-wide, should the next takeover goals be:

1) Wii LTD passed 360 LTD in US
2) Wii LTD passed both 360+PS3 LTD worldwide.

Any other goals to look forward to?
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Nintendo's own hardware.

Passing the LTD of the gamecube, then Nintendo 64, then SNES, then NES.
 
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Natsume

Member
Ok guys, I was wondering if you could give me some feedback on some numbers I've "come up" with... I understand there are about 3 other people doing the same but I'd just like some feedback on what you think of my deductions. Of course, Japan, US, Canada and Aus are obvious so it's more the Europe numbers.

Wii
Japan - 3,536,875
US - 4,017,800
Europe - 2,758,626*
Australia - 138,192
Canada - 313,956
Total - 10,765,449

360
Japan - 407,346
USA - 6,196,100
Europe - 2,608,425**
Australia - 195,056
Canada - 403,500
Total - 9,810,274

PS3
Japan - 1,125,062
USA - 1,741,100
Europe - 1,485,714***
Australia - 66,503
Canada - 84,584
Total - 4,502,963

To start off, I'll say this, I've worked my Europe estimates off a theory which relies on all variables remaining constant and consoles sell their average each week so of course they will not be 100% accurate but I'm thinking it should be around about right.

*We know that Wii sales were 2,000,000 in June so 2,000,000/29(number of weeks out till June 30th)= 68,966 per week average. So 68,966x11 (weeks since 30 June)= 758,626

**
http://www.nikkei.co.jp/kansai/news/news002915.html
According to this news article, world wide sales numbers are

Wii : 9.02million
Xbox360 : 8.8million
PS3 : 3.7million

it says this is based on total numbers of Enterbrain's Japanese sale data (until August), NPD's NA Sales Data (until July) and GfK's European Sales Data (until July)

by subtracting Jap (until August) and NA (until July) sales from this number, you can know the European sales by GfK.


Enterbrain's Japanese Sales until August

Wii : 3,406,528
PS3 : 1,143,798
Xbox360 : 442,290
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So... 8,800,000 - 442,290 - 5,919,400= 2,438,310 as of July. Plus 2,438,310/86 = 28,352 a week average, 28,352 x 6 = 170,112. So 2,438,310 + 170,112 = 2,608,422

***PS3 numbers are self explanatory if you've read the rest of this post. Basically, the 1,300,000 figure announced recently divided by weeks out and added to the number the appropriate times. Which should come out somewhere around, 1,485,714.

What do you think? Decent? Or am I way off?
 
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slaughterking

Member
The thread is pretty dead, but here are updated HW LTD numbers for Germany (including October):

1. Wii - 389,000
2. 360 - 328,000
3. PS3 - 172,000

Hardware numbers for October (PS3 pricedrop, launch of the 40GB model, first month the PS3 is leading the charts):

1. PS3 - 37,000
2. Wii - 28,000
3. 360 - 12,000

Source

The last LTDs we got were from July (it was the time where the Wii took the leading in Germany):

1. Wii - 291,000
2. 360 - 281,000
3. PS3 - 99,500

That makes 98.000 sold Wiis, 47,000 for the 360 and 72,500 PS3s in the past three months.
 
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nextgeneration

Member
This is what I currently have.

US

wii = 6,019,521
360 = 7,862,249
ps3 = 2,445,907

Japan

wii = 4,463,951
360 = 499,037
ps3 = 1,588,970

Australia

wii = 251,101
360 = 250k
ps3 = 82,261

Germany

wii = 389,000
360 = 328,000
ps3 = 172,000

Canada

wii = 560,000
360 = 600,000
ps3 = 211,000

France

wii = 1,000,000
360 = 500k
ps3 = 270k

UK

wii = 1.7 mil
360 = 1.65 mil
ps3 = 550k

Total

wii = 14.4 million
360 = 11.7 million
ps3 = 5.3 million

Sources

US - 12/1, NPD
Japan - 12/23, Media Create
Australia - http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/841/841520p3.html; http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=9026&title=Latest+Australian+console+sales+figures+released
Germany - end of October, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8702831&postcount=280
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8702359&postcount=1064
Canada - Nov NPD
France - quarter 3, 360/ps3, 12/10/07, wii; numbers for 360/ps3 understated; http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.wiiz.fr/article.php?a=15437; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8709157&postcount=1077
UK - http://www.mcvuk.com/news/29170/DS-smashes-UK-hardware-record; numbers are guesstimates and most likely, understated

Anyone want to fill in the rest?
 
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justjohn

Member
slaughterking said:
The thread is pretty dead, but here are updated HW LTD numbers for Germany (including October):

1. Wii - 389,000
2. 360 - 328,000
3. PS3 - 172,000
Hardware numbers for October (PS3 pricedrop, launch of the 40GB model, first month the PS3 is leading the charts):

1. PS3 - 37,000
2. Wii - 28,000
3. 360 - 12,000

Source

The last LTDs we got were from July (it was the time where the Wii took the leading in Germany):

1. Wii - 291,000
2. 360 - 281,000
3. PS3 - 99,500

That makes 98.000 sold Wiis, 47,000 for the 360 and 72,500 PS3s in the past three months.
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i see this is stil pcland. these ltd numbers are pitiful
 
L

Lobster

Banned
nextgeneration said:
This is what I currently have.

US

wii = 5,038,521
360 = 7,092,249
ps3 = 1,979,907

Japan

wii = 3,816,303
360 = 459,943
ps3 = 1,341,304

Australia

wii = 200,000
360 = 222,136
ps3 = 82,261

Germany

wii = 389,000
360 = 328,000
ps3 = 172,000

Canada

wii = 392,356
360 = 440,190
ps3 = 121,784

Total

wii = 9,804,079
360 = 8,542,518
ps3 = 3,697,256

Dates

US - 11/3
Japan - 11/18
Australia - quarter 3
Germany - end of October
Canada - end of September (was October NPD ever released?)

Anyone want to fill in the rest?

*I cannot find Mar or December Canada NPD anywhere, so that is not included in the above.
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fixed Aus.
 
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nextgeneration

Member
Lobster said:
fixed Aus.
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Oh, the reason I didn't update the Australian Wii figures is that I don't have the corresponding, updated figures for 360 and ps3 for the same time frame. If we are going to use the 200k Wii figure, we need the updated ps3/360 figures as well, which we don't have.

Edit - Ok, I've changed my mind. I've changed it to 200k and changed the date for Australia.
 
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Shepherd

Unconfirmed Member
nextgeneration said:
This is what I currently have.

US

wii = 5,038,521
360 = 7,092,249
ps3 = 1,979,907

Japan

wii = 3,816,303
360 = 459,943
ps3 = 1,341,304

Australia

wii = 167,899
360 = 222,136
ps3 = 82,261

Germany

wii = 389,000
360 = 328,000
ps3 = 172,000

Canada

wii = 392,356*
360 = 440,190*
ps3 = 121,784*

Total

wii = 9,804,079
360 = 8,542,518
ps3 = 3,697,256

Dates

US - 11/3
Japan - 11/18
Australia - quarter 3
Germany - end of October
Canada - end of September (was October NPD ever released?)

Anyone want to fill in the rest?

*I cannot find Mar '07 or December '06 Canada NPD anywhere, so that is not included in the above.
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Here are some French numbers to add. This is from the end of Sept.

France
360 430,000
PS3 200,000
http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0,39040745,39373795,00.htm

http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/high-tech/0,,3556371,00-sony-tout-jouer-noel-.html
 
T

Tchu-Espresso

likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Even though Sony is getting spanked, they have got to know they arent going to be missing out on the big multiplatform games. Games will be created with the 360 in mind, and then will go through the cheap port to the ps3 - thats the only way publishers are going to be profiting from the ps3.
 
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Neomoto

Member
Here is the latest UK (Wii) info:

Chart Track revealed that the Wii has sold through 1 million units in the UK.

The Wii passed the one million sales figure in just 38 weeks, 25% faster than the PS2 and over 35% faster than the Xbox 360. Nintendo claims the Wii currently holds a 68% market share, although it didn't specify the details of that market.

http://www.videogamer.com/news/30-10-2007-6785.html
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It also mentions that DS was at more then 4 million at the same time.
 
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nextgeneration

Member
Neomoto said:
Here is the latest UK (Wii) info:

Chart Track revealed that the Wii has sold through 1 million units in the UK.



It also mentions that DS was at more then 4 million at the same time.
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Thanks. Updated my original post.
 
Xisiqomelir

Xisiqomelir

Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
Xisiqomelir, Segata Sanshiro, moku, Auron, and Xeke vs. EverSoTrendy

SHAKE N BAKE

EverSoTrendy, you can land a mighty blow for your cause here!

TAKE A GULP AND TAKE A BREATH AND GO AHEAD AND SIGN THE SCROLL
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Last 2k7 data is in! Looks like team segafanspluswiitardspluspotheads will take it!
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
koam said:
Worldwide numbers

Wii

Australia - 138,192
Europe - 2,870,000
Japan - 3,424,139
Canada - 313,956
US - 3,615,000

TOTAL - 10,361,287
______

360
Australia - 195,056
Europe - 3,250,000
Japan - 402,381
Canada - 403,500
US - 5,950,000

TOTAL - 10,200,937
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PS3

Australia: 66,503
Europe - 1,300,000
Japan - 1,085,019
Canada - 84,584
US - 1,609,000

TOTAL - 4,145,106
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Sources (last update):
Japan - Media Create (August 19)
US - NPD (July numbers)
Canada - NPD (July numbers)
Australia - August 2007
Europe - August 2007
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So what are the numbers now?
 
V

Version 3.0

Member
mckmas8808 said:
So what are the numbers now?
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There are some charts at the end of the NPD thread. I don't know what the sources are for the worldwide estimates, but here are the Japan (Media-Create) and US (NPD) LTDs, and the total of the two:

Japan
360 521,795
PS3 1,744,766
Wii 4,908,487

US
360 9,124,886
PS3 3,249,296
Wii 7,369,381

Total
360 9,646,681
PS3 4,994,062
Wii 12,277,868
 
J

jarrod

Banned
Leondexter said:
There are some charts at the end of the NPD thread. I don't know what the sources are for the worldwide estimates, but here are the Japan (Media-Create) and US (NPD) LTDs, and the total of the two:

Japan
360 521,795
PS3 1,744,766
Wii 4,908,487

US
360 9,124,886
PS3 3,249,296
Wii 7,369,381

Total
360 9,646,681
PS3 4,994,062
Wii 12,277,868
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Got DS/PSP, just for fun?
 
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Version 3.0

Member
jarrod said:
Got DS/PSP, just for fun?
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Sure:

Japan:
NDS 6,585,447
DSL 14,951,163
PSP 7,915,993

USA:
NDS 17,590,258
PSP 10,512,036

Total:
NDS 39,126,868
PSP 18,428,029


Anyone care to sift out the UK/France/Spain/Italy, etc LTDs that are floating around? I don't. :D
 
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