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More like jumped inside the hounds' den with a steak attached to his crotch in hopes to be denutted as quickly as possible.
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AMD rep: Radeon R9 290X running with Mantle API will "ridicule" Titan in Battlefied 4
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More like jumped inside the hounds' den with a steak attached to his crotch in hopes to be denutted as quickly as possible.
Assumption? Jesus people, look at the ahitecture description of AMD cpus. Stop grasping at straws, and start reading facts a little.
/hugz my future-proof FX 8350
Moral Panic
Member
You don't need Mantle for consoles. Consoles already have cheap draw calls. Mantle exists to give PC's those benefits too.
Personally, I would rather see improvements to OpenGL/DirectX.
Personally, I would rather see improvements to OpenGL/DirectX.
TetraGenesis
Member
That's a more accurate analogy, yeah. Hahahahaha
Future PhaZe
Member
sounds about right
the real question is if Titan 2 will exceed even 290x + Mantle
That's without even taking into the possibility of NVidia responding with their own API
this gen will be glorious
GLORIOUS
the real question is if Titan 2 will exceed even 290x + Mantle
That's without even taking into the possibility of NVidia responding with their own API
this gen will be glorious
GLORIOUS
Actually Mantle is PC's answer to getting closer to the benefit console has.
Consoles already have low level access to their hardware.
My question was whether the API is set up similar for consoles. Essentially, would this make it easier for porting between the two?
From some posts here and some quick looks on google ... that seems to be the case. This could have some really big implications. Suddenly consoles and PC's (including Linux and Mac) have a ubiquitous API.
By leveraging the popularity of consoles, AMD may be able to do what OpenGL couldn't. Move people away from DirectX and actually make Linux/SteamOS/Mac gaming competitive. It's only icing on the cake that this is more performant too.
They are very close to eight true cores with around 80% scaling. The real problem is they're very weak cores.
Note the 8350 effectively runs at 4.2Ghz when running on a single core while the 3770k effectively runs at 3.9Ghz.
You need mantle for consoles not to benefit from "write once, run everywhere".
OpenGL - yes please, directx - why on earth???
TheRagnCajun
Member
haha I get it
Yeah, AMD has stopped chasing singlecore performance...
Yes, but the claim appears to be that it makes porting easier versus DX ... which is the important consideration
All GCN architecture cards meaning even some 7xxx cards and so far it will only work with Frostbite 3.
statham
Member
interesting, think I'll stay with amd for awhile. looks like it'll work hand in hand with my 8320.
They should keep the name too.
Steamroller was rumoured to be a massive bump (one AMD engineer was touting 40% IPC boost to VR Zone) but it seems like we'll only see it in Kaveri now, FX and AM3+ looks dead.
Anything from the 7700 series up is GCN iirc.
Really now?
General Choomin
Banned
Right now mantle seems to be only on frostbite 3.0 engine. That means mantle, in the short term, is going to be used on only EA games. Which then means that mantle, in the short term, will be origin exclusive on PC.
Nvidia could easily money hat other developers into not using mantle in their engines/games. They even gave money to crytek to put tons of tessellation related objects in their games to bomb out AMD cards in benchmark reviews.
What will happen next won't be a battle over technology, but a battle over politics between Nvidia and AMD as they lobby and bribe developers to either use Mantle or not.
Nvidia could easily money hat other developers into not using mantle in their engines/games. They even gave money to crytek to put tons of tessellation related objects in their games to bomb out AMD cards in benchmark reviews.
What will happen next won't be a battle over technology, but a battle over politics between Nvidia and AMD as they lobby and bribe developers to either use Mantle or not.
Moral Panic
Member
Mantle is a new API for GCN (read AMD) cards which will allow for 9x cheaper drawcalls. DirectX uses techniques that apparently can improve draw calls by up to 2x. Console draw calls are said by AMD to be about 10x cheaper. Note: DirectX supports instancing, meaning that several trees can be drawn as easily as a single tree. But to have several unique trees will be much more computably expensive than on consoles.
Mantle will have to be implemented in games, but due to it's similarity with next-gen API's should mean easy porting.
Hari Seldon
Member
I have been an AMD guy my past too cards, but at this point it is dangerous to buy an AMD card. Linux driver support is about to become a really fucking important deal, and if AMD cards cannot handle SteamOS well then they are worthless.
The problem there for Nvidia is that developers are also putting in the work for GCN in the new consoles. It would be entertaining to see developers start picking sides if Nvidia cooks up a Mantle competitor.
OOOOOK
So their new card will "ridicule" TITAN, however the only thing that was posted about it is the "Millions of triangles, billions of transistors" and a 7K score in 3D Mark.
They didn't even bother saying something like: Our tests shown that BF4 runs 20% faster on Mantle than it does on Dx11.
Feels like FUD.
So their new card will "ridicule" TITAN, however the only thing that was posted about it is the "Millions of triangles, billions of transistors" and a 7K score in 3D Mark.
They didn't even bother saying something like: Our tests shown that BF4 runs 20% faster on Mantle than it does on Dx11.
Feels like FUD.
Durrherp derp
Educate yourselves, console kiddies.
Or keep telling yourselves that paying $400 - $500 for a closed box with paid online gaming and $60 games that struggle to hit 30 - 60 FPS at various resolutions that are all 1080p or lower is a "good deal."
AdmiralPain
Banned
Your move, Nvidia.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
You mean play the PS3 version?
We still have not the benefits of mantle yet in real world test.
Google what happened to the last GPU vendor that made his own level API.
Fried Food
Banned
that image is insulting.
I hope no one buys that comp thinking they will be able to run next gen multiplates as good as the consoles.
Are you joking? Not a single PC game is going to lead on Linux or be Linux exclusive for at least the next decade.
But yea, if you are building a steambox you should go with Nvidia as they are the least worse.
TheRealTalker
Banned
So your telling this can become a more logical option then DX... If so how likely would devs adopt this
JonathanPower
Member
If you are talking about Piledriver you are correct. However, the 8 core Jaguar in next gen consoles is a true 8 core CPU, as each core has its own FPU.
Yes, it will run multiplatforms better than next-gen consoles. Why shouldnt it?
You're right, it would likely run them better.
Nealand Liquor
Member
Every time I read PC/Console Fanboy Warrior shit I just hope to god the poster isn't above 16 years of age. Nothing displays maturity like arguing over who's toy is better.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
You speak as if "as good as the consoles" is set in stone right now. We won't know that until the consoles are on sale.
But a reasonably priced PC such as the one quoted, in terms of absolute functionality, is by far a better investment than a console.
Just trying to introduce some actual facts to counter the nebulous statements they were making.
And why is that exactly? You do actually have a point right?
Just better right?