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[liquidtmd]

I believe at this point there needs to be a calm on both sides and we all agree to a three-five exit transitional period.

The UK pays elevated costs for each of these years but not a £100 billion worth. The period also allows for the depth of negotiations post leaving that two years just doesn't cut, but also for the three-five transitional years we fully remain part of the EU / single market.

Anything else is just absolutely nuts.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

says Boris Johnson

Move along, nothing to see here

 

[Rush_Khan]

Foolish oaf.

 

[Calm waterfall]

Boris Johnson has suggested, as he accused Europe of wanting to “bleed this country white”.

Never heard of this expression before. I thought it was bleeding it dry. Anyway Boris is such a joke.

 

[ibrahima]

Impact from the millennium bug was averted because people worked to avoid it, doesn't seem like anybody is working to avoid this.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I believe at this point there needs to be a calm on both sides and we all agree to a three-five exit transitional period.

The UK pays elevated costs for each of these years but not a £100 billion worth. The period also allows for the depth of negotiations post leaving that two years just doesn't cut, but also for the three-five transitional years we fully remain part of the EU / single market.

Anything else is just absolutely nuts.

"Yo, EU! Fuck you, we leaving!"

Few months later:

"EU, please be nice. Let's extend this period we knew and agreed to so it doesn't hurt us as much please."

What is with the "both sides" argument here when the UK knew perfectly well what they were in for.

 

[Dryk]

compared warnings about a ”no deal" Brexit to the unfounded fears over the non-existent millennium bug in 1999.

FUCK. YOU.

Fuck you and anyone else who will throw engineers and scientists under the bus in hindsight. They pulled your arse out of the fire before you got burnt, that doesn't mean you weren't going to. God Y2K deniers shit me to tears.

 

[Zaph]

Boris, and the rest of the Tories, aren't actually stupid people. They are actively misleading the public about an imminent disaster in order to stay in power. It's criminal.

FUCK. YOU.

Fuck you and anyone else who will throw engineers and scientists under the bus in hindsight. They pulled your arse out of the fire before you got burnt, that doesn't mean you weren't going to. God Y2K deniers shit me to tears.

why bother fix anything if it means we won't get to see the problems that could have happened?

That is literally the type if rhetoric the British public lap up unfortunately. This country loves misery porn.

 

[SmartBase]

The court jester's definitely earning his keep, sheesh.

 

[Tadaima]

Um, the millennium bug existed. It's just that the hype/fear was overblown (which was necessary IMO).

 

[Linkstrikesback]

fuck off Boris, your fooling no-one.

They're fooling lots of people, which is how we ended up in this disaster in the first place.

 

[Screaming Meat]

Fucking clown shoes.

 

[Dryk]

why bother fix anything if it means we won't get to see the problems that could have happened?

I mean that's how the UK got here in the first place so I'm not surprised

 

[CyclopsRock]

Never heard of this expression before. I thought it was bleeding it dry. Anyway Boris is such a joke.

It's both. It's a reference to butchery.

 

[liquidtmd]

"Yo, EU! Fuck you, we leaving!"

Few months later:

"EU, please be nice. Let's extend this period we knew and agreed to so it doesn't hurt us as much please."

What is with the "both sides" argument here when the UK knew perfectly well what they were in for.

I'm just trying to be diplomatic here, something I agree our Politicians are severely fucking up.

The 'both sides' argument here is trying to make this work. If the UK crash out its bad for us all. If diplomacy fails here, the UK hurt and the EU hurt. An extended transitional period and a change of attitude would hopefully allow this to work out least painfully for ALL.

Your tone seems to suggest this is all one way traffic. A transitional period where the UK may pay more to cover the leaving costs is something a see being a realistic sell to both sides and the public. It also gives businesses on 'both sides' a period of adjustment.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I'm just trying to be diplomatic here, something I agree our Politicians are severely fucking up.

The 'both sides' argument here is trying to make this work. If the UK crash out its bad for us all. If diplomacy fails here, the UK hurt and the EU hurt. An extended transitional period and a change of attitude would hopefully allow this to work out least painfully for ALL.

Your tone seems to suggest this is all one way traffic. A transitional period where the UK may pay more to cover the leaving costs is something a see being a realistic sell to both sides and the public. It also gives businesses on 'both sides' a period of adjustment.

If by paying more, you mean the UK pays more then their normal share to pay for the burden the other EU countries will face because of their decision, maybe. But then you also say that they shouldn't pay their bill in full and want to limit that, so what is it?

Unfortunately it is one way traffic. The UK decided. And now you are asking the EU to accommodate them and think of the problems they will face because of that decision.

I can't see that going over well among the EU taxpayers. Why should they care about the UK and footing part of the bill for their decision.

 

[pa22word]

I'm just trying to be diplomatic here, something I agree our Politicians are severely fucking up.

The 'both sides' argument here is trying to make this work. If the UK crash out its bad for us all. If diplomacy fails here, the UK hurt and the EU hurt. An extended transitional period and a change of attitude would hopefully allow this to work out least painfully for ALL.

Your tone seems to suggest this is all one way traffic. A transitional period where the UK may pay more to cover the leaving costs is something a see being a realistic sell to both sides and the public. It also gives businesses on 'both sides' a period of adjustment.

You presume that both sides are equally hurt here from the breakup, and that one side doesn't benefit long term by making this an arduous process. Both are pretty sketchy at best.

 

[liquidtmd]

If by paying more, you mean the UK pays more then their normal share to pay for the burden the other EU countries will face because of their decision, maybe. But then you also say that they shouldn't pay their bill in full and want to limit that, so what is it?

Nah, I am actually for the UK paying their bill 'in full'. I just want full due diligence done on the €100 billion and clarity on what in full is. It jumped from €50 - 60 billion, to 84 billion, to 97billion in the last report. If a number can double in a few months, I would want transparency on these numbers. That's all.

You presume that both sides are equally hurt here from the breakup, and that one side doesn't benefit long term by making this an arduous process. Both are pretty sketchy at best.

When I said 'The UK hurts and the EU hurts', don't get me wrong - this isolationist stance will hurt the UK 'more'. I was more making the point that it's not just about saying 'The EU hold all the cards'. If the UK crash out and our arsehole Politicians don't agree to pay anything, the EU have a massive gaping hole and that's also a problem.

Equal to our absolute fucked position? No.

 

[Xando]

Nah, I am actually for the UK paying their bill 'in full'. I just want full due diligence done on the €100 billion and clarity on what in full is. It jumped from €50 - 60 billion, to 84 billion, to 97billion in the last report. If a number can double in a few months, I would want transparency on these numbers. That's all.

Neither of these numbers have been official. That's why the UK goverment throwing a temper over this is such a joke.

Wait until you have the official proposal.

 

[liquidtmd]

Neither of these numbers have been official. That's why the UK goverment throwing a temper over this is such a joke.

Wait until you have the official proposal.

Entirely agree. Which is what I stated originally. Just a bit of calm on both sides. Some goddamn humility from our UK reps. Decent agreement to pay in full our share then diligently work together to agree what that is

Also works to my point of getting an extended transitional period. If it is €100billion, saying 'we've got five years to clear it and mark the end amicably', then 'LOL fuck off pay us €100 billion now and get no benefits' - what's more likely to be achievable?

With our current Governments stance it's wishful thinking I grant you but just throwing out what I want.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Entirely agree. Which is what I stated originally. Just a bit of calm on both sides. Some goddamn humility from our UK reps. Decent agreement to pay in full our share then diligently work together to agree what that is

Also works to my point of getting an extended transitional period. If it is €100billion, saying 'we've got five years to clear it and mark the end amicably', then 'LOL fuck off pay us €100 billion now and get no benefits' - what's more likely to be achievable?

With our current Governments stance it's wishful thinking I grant you but just throwing out what I want.

The exit bill, or what it will be, will probably be spread out. Originally, the UK would pay it over the years also. No use in having them pay now for costs that will happen in 2022 or somewhere.

We'll see what happens. But that is why UK politicians going on about this is so frustrating for the rest of us. Nobody even know what will happen, the UK doesn't even know what it wants, so maybe they should be a bit quiet about it until that is figured out.

 

[MedicUnderFire]

They're fooling lots of people, which is how we ended up in this disaster in the first place.

true, very true. But can he still fuck off?

 

[Xando]

Entirely agree. Which is what I stated originally. Just a bit of calm on both sides. Some goddamn humility from our UK reps. Decent agreement to pay in full our share then diligently work together to agree what that is

Also works to my point of getting an extended transitional period. If it is €100billion, saying 'we've got five years to clear it and mark the end amicably', then 'LOL fuck off pay us €100 billion now and get no benefits' - what's more likely to be achievable?

With our current Governments stance it's wishful thinking I grant you but just throwing out what I want.

The EU itself doesn't even know what the bill is going to be because as you say they don't know whether the UK leaves in 2019 or in 2022 (The EU parliament will veto any transitional deal longer than 3 years).

 

[liquidtmd]

The exit bill, or what it will be, will probably be spread out. Originally, the UK would pay it over the years also. No use in having them pay now for costs that will happen in 2022 or somewhere.

We'll see what happens. But that is why UK politicians going on about this is so frustrating for the rest of us. Nobody even know what will happen, the UK doesn't even know what it wants, so maybe they should be a bit quiet about it until that is figured out.

Yes, this is the absolutely killer crux of the issue for me. It doesn't. You've got a Government going hell for leather for hard Brexit, an election, an failing opposition, 48% who wanted to Remain, no agreement whether to pay any money, many who say we should pay in full and a horrible Politician in May even if she wasn't PM.

All over the place and sadly nothing to Unite all sides.

 

[-MB-]

Borris going all in

I would knne him in the face so hard, and laugh at it afterwards as he crumbles.

 

[GeordieMark]

27 wives/husbands and a Parliament, doesn't sound promising in a divorce situation.

Nope, but the point is I've never tried to cancel a gym membership involving 27 different gyms either.

 

[The Hamburglar]

The UK has obligations towards the EU. They don't suddenly stop because the UK wants them to. I still have to pay my loan even if I don't want to be at a specific bank anymore.

those obligations are not a bank loan though are they.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Um, the millennium bug existed. It's just that the hype/fear was overblown (which was necessary IMO).

thought it was a ruse for GW to have access to everyone's computer.

 

[Apt101]

Doesn't it work like, all of this goes an EU council and they're like basically the judges of how all of the deal will go down? If that's the case why would the EU ever agree to some kind of separation compensation when the UK themselves were benefiting from the union the same as all members?

 

[Joni]

those obligations are not a bank loan though are they.

No, they are stuff like pensions for British European Union employees.

 

[liquidtmd]

Doesn't it work like, all of this goes an EU council and they're like basically the judges of how all of the deal will go down? If that's the case why would the EU ever agree to some kind of separation compensation when the UK themselves were benefiting from the union the same as all members?

They wouldn't and that's fair.

However if some people are still using the divorce term...I've been divorced. Scariest, saddest, most emotional time ever. This to me is like getting divorced but effectively giving your soon to be ex-wife control and a veto on the each of the terms on which you leave and pay, instead of leaving it to (technically) more impartial lawyers to thrash out.

Want to walk out of negotiations? Fine. But she takes the car, the home, the kids and the cash.

 

[GeordieMark]

They wouldn't and that's fair.

However if some people are still using the divorce term...I've been divorced. Scariest time alive. This to me is like getting divorced but effectively giving your soon to be ex-wife control and a veto on the each of the terms on which you leave and pay, instead of leaving it to (technically) more impartial lawyers to thrash out.

Sorry, I used the divorce comparison, but I agree it's not entirely apt. I just mentioned it as I think it's a better fit than the gym membership cancellation analogy made in the thread.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Who's gonna pay for Brexit?

EUROPE!

Brexit just got ten feet higher

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

Right after Mexico pays for Trump's wall, right?

 

[Bashtee]

You know, assuming the UK just leaves without a deal about anything, isn't there a possibility for the EU to sanction the UK in order to pressure better conditions for at least the remaining EU citizens?

 

[MemoryHumanity]

Lol.

 

[CyclopsRock]

You know, assuming the UK just leaves without a deal about anything, isn't there a possibility for the EU to sanction the UK in order to pressure better conditions for at least the remaining EU citizens?

You think the EU will sanction a former member so that it's citizens in that country get better conditions than the native citizens?

 

[nubbe]

Boris Johnson: Brussels could end up paying a Brexit divorce bill

The only reaction I could think about

 

[Bashtee]

You think the EU will sanction a former member so that it's citizens in that country get better conditions than the native citizens?

Better conditions as in not getting deported after living there for some years.

 

[Dabookerman]

Never heard of this expression before. I thought it was bleeding it dry. Anyway Boris is such a joke.

It's most famously used, I believe, by the German's in reference to Verdun.

"The Battle of Verdun in 1916 was the longest single battle of World War One. The casualties from Verdun and the impact the battle had on the French Army was a primary reason for the British starting the Battle of the Somme in July 1916 in an effort to take German pressure off of the French at Verdun. The Battle of Verdun started on February 21st 1916 and ended on December 16th in 1916. It was to make General Philippe Pétain a hero in France.
The attack on Verdun (the Germans code-named it ‘Judgment’) came about because of a plan by the German Chief of General Staff, von Falkenhayn. He wanted to “bleed France white" by launching a massive German attack on a narrow stretch of land that had historic sentiment for the French – Verdun.

Anyway, sounds like someone is a bit too fond of Empire/Colonialist era diatribe.

He can get fucked like the rest of the British Empire..

 

[Water]

Borris going all in

A dick butt IRL? My day is complete.

 

[Souldriver]

Things are looking pret...

 

[BlastProcessing]

I'm just trying to be diplomatic here, something I agree our Politicians are severely fucking up.

The 'both sides' argument here is trying to make this work. If the UK crash out its bad for us all. If diplomacy fails here, the UK hurt and the EU hurt. An extended transitional period and a change of attitude would hopefully allow this to work out least painfully for ALL.

Your tone seems to suggest this is all one way traffic. A transitional period where the UK may pay more to cover the leaving costs is something a see being a realistic sell to both sides and the public. It also gives businesses on 'both sides' a period of adjustment.

Actually, the EU has a bit if a vested interest in the UK crashing. Such a crash would obviously hurt the EU short term, but it's long term existence relies on making an example of the UK. The message has to be: If you leave the EU, you get fucked.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Better conditions as in not getting deported after living there for some years.

I can't think of a precedent of any country doing something like that. Another country's residency policies aren't going to be something they initiate sanctions against a fellow WTO member over (to say nothing of NATO ally, major trading partner, and think of poor old Ireland).

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Actually, the EU has a bit if a vested interest in the UK crashing. Such a crash would obviously hurt the EU short term, but it's long term existence relies on making an example of the UK. The message has to be: If you leave the EU, you get fucked.

I actually disagree.

They could have tried to make it amicable... if they had a semi decent government to work with. (Although a semi decent government probably wouldn't be leaving in the first place...). The sheer arrogance and/or stupidity of the public facing UK politicians are leaving them no choice but to make an example of the UK though, which is exactly what they want (US VS THEM) to appeal to the voter base.

 

[faridmon]

You know what, if anything Boris have given me confidence that I can be anyone

If this fool can be a Foreign Minister, whats stopping me?

 

[The Hamburglar]

Actually, the EU has a bit if a vested interest in the UK crashing. Such a crash would obviously hurt the EU short term, but it's long term existence relies on making an example of the UK. The message has to be: If you leave the EU, you get fucked.

so communism right?

 

[BlastProcessing]

so communism right?

Nope. This is actually pretty capitalist. It's a transaction where both sides have obvious interests, but where one side holds all of the leverage.

 

[SporeCrawler]

No deal it is then

 

[SporeCrawler]

You know what, if anything Boris have given me confidence that I can be anyone

If this fool can be a Foreign Minister, whats stopping me?

Are you from eaton/oxbridge?