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CBO score released on ACHA - 14 million - 2018 - 24 million more uninsured 2026
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RPGCrazied
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This is dead on arrival. You even have Republicans not supporting this for the fear of the already backlash they are recieving at home. This would be political suicide for them.
Black Mamba
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That's *only* in 2018. By 2026, it'll be far less as medicaid is going to drop by 14 million alone. 10 million private (7 million of that from employer insurance due to tax incentives/employer mandate and not individual mandate).
That's 21 million people out of 24 not really related to the individual mandate.
And in 2018, it'll be indirectly a drop from the mandate. basically, mandate gone, some healthy people gone, premiums rise, more healthy people gone, premiums rise more, etc. It's not that all those people will leave because there is no mandate, they will leave because a few people leave due to the mandate causing premiums to go up making it unaffordable.
It should also be noted that the CBO really thinks the mandate does a lot and MOST of the overestimation of the ACA came believing the mandate would push people into insurance (which is was less effective than they thought). Which doesn't mean less people will drop out, it just means sicker people will drop out.
Good comic, except that there's also a penalty for going uninsured in this bill, just like in Obamacare.
diablos991
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Lower average premiums after 2020?
My interest is increasing.
My interest is increasing.
Captin Quacker
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So banana peels tied to the bottom of there shoes?
Black Mamba
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The lower premiums will be for 2 reasons.
1. people will shift to bronze plans, aka the crappy plans which are cheaper. This also means HIGHER deductibles and Co-pays.
2. After 2020, sicker and older people will find insurance unaffordable and will drop out, eventually leading to a drop in prices for the healthy young people that remain.
You will pay 15% less than today but your coverage will be shittier by a lot more than 15%.
maabus1999
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Not sure how much the cbo figured in unpaid emergency room visits with increase in uninsured....which raises prices...which then will increase premiums. Have to see...
I have never seen a "both sides are the same" post that wasn't gloriously wrong, but this one is a beaut.
Actually, you probably won't pay 15% less than today. Older people (who currently pay more) leaving the market due to unaffordability can easily lower the average premium without anybody's actual premium going down at all.
Black Mamba
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This is 100% true and I should have noted this. In fact, your premiums could go up but the average still drop!
Just like all the CBO numbers don't take into account the variation in cities.
The premium is an average. Rural premiums are going to be a lot worse while urban ones likely better.
Felix Lighter
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And then when you finally desperately need the coverage, you get to save 100% like those that were forced to drop out before you. Might as well allow no coverage for pre-existing conditions again. Really lower those premiums.
The ultimate fuck you got mine. Just gotta sell poor and old people down the gutter for it.
StopMakingSense
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I think it's 15% less than where ACA's average premiums will at the same point in time, not today.
As long as you just don't get old.
Netherscourge
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People will simply stop going to the doctor.
They will refuse ambulances after accidents.
They will check themselves out of hospitals much earlier.
They will try to get their prescriptions over the internet or skip them altogether.
They will ignore major illnesses and avoid expensive treatments.
This will shorten people's lifespans.
They will refuse ambulances after accidents.
They will check themselves out of hospitals much earlier.
They will try to get their prescriptions over the internet or skip them altogether.
They will ignore major illnesses and avoid expensive treatments.
This will shorten people's lifespans.
LegendofJoe
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Penny wise, pound foolish should be the GOP motto.
Something like 20-22m willing and unwilling people got healthcare thanks to Obamacare, right?
And somewhere around 20-24m in the next 9-10 years will lose healthcare? And a huge portion of that are willingly losing that insurance?
I'm completely fine with that. I just wish medicaid didn't get hit as bad as they're proposing.
Edit: Was the number of people getting insurance thanks to Obamacare ever adjusted to take into consideration the Recession? A lot of people get their insurance from their workplace and well...there was a lot of unemployment around the time Obamacare was introduced, right?
And somewhere around 20-24m in the next 9-10 years will lose healthcare? And a huge portion of that are willingly losing that insurance?
I'm completely fine with that. I just wish medicaid didn't get hit as bad as they're proposing.
Edit: Was the number of people getting insurance thanks to Obamacare ever adjusted to take into consideration the Recession? A lot of people get their insurance from their workplace and well...there was a lot of unemployment around the time Obamacare was introduced, right?
NO.
Nope
jellies_two
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Is there a DJT humor thread? this is really well done and is only just going viral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUlhT3-r0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUlhT3-r0c
StopMakingSense
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A lot of people laid off during the recession were able to maintain coverage through the COBRA premium assistance, which was part of the stimulus package.
Poor people yes. That is a feature for some Republicans not a bug.
I misunderstood this
a bit then. I immediately thought "Well, yeah. A LOT of young people are going to run for it the moment they have the choice to drop the tax."
What part? The numbers I threw in there? The first I got from Dems trying to pat themselves on the back in speeches and stuff. I'm sure it's not that accurate since I'm not only getting it from a politician but also getting it from memory. The other is from the numbers in the OP.
As for the willing and unwilling part, I think it's important to consider the fact that a lot of people were pretty much forced into a product/tax they can't or won't even use. They still have insurance and I'm sure they'll be counted as part of Obamacare's success, though.
The funny thing about healthcare is that you mostly don't have a choice whether to use it or not.
I've already posted the relevant excerpt from the CBO report in this thread, so you can read for yourself why the claim that most of the people who lose insurance will lose it voluntarily is simply false.
Fenderputty
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You did it on this page!
Their are ahitloads of people who will just see that they don't have to pay for ANY insurance anymore and say "woot!" Most of them won't get seriously hurt in the next 10 years either. When they do a bunch of them will go to the emergency room and get covered by other peoples insane premiums. The few Republicans who do get sick will... Be angry, but i doubt angry enough they'd ever dare vote for anyone who FozNews doesn't endorse
Bam Bam Baklava
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Who would have thought Mr. Independent anti-establishment would be shilling for a bill concocted by Paul Ryan and the establishment GOP. Did you not get the marching orders from Breitbart yet? This thing sucks and it's all Paul Ryan's fault.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I'm here for two words when it comes to healthcare.
Reduced cost
If my cost goes down I'm happy. If it goes up I'm unhappy.
I liked Bernie's idea because my increase in taxes was less than my premiums. This is far from an ideal plan but if it offers me a reduced cost over Obamacare then we are moving in the right direction.
Your Entertainer
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Can you explain how your character works? PM is fine if you don't want to cross the fourth wall. I don't get it.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
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StopMakingSense
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"cost goes down" only up till a certain age. Somewhere between 30 and 40.
You are planning on staying the same age, yes???
rokkerkory
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Lower levels of coverage too
Pfft that's future diablos991's problem
They'll be here bitching how much it costs out of pocket if they're on a marketplace plan in a year if this somehow makes it through.
CopperPuppy
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It's almost like you literally have no idea what you're talking about. But, please, continue to ignore the other posts that have already attempted to correct your ignorance. Whether it's bravery or lack of familiarity with your troll behavior that motivates them, I'll never know.
ultratruman
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metalslimer
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So you plan on buying a shitty plan and never getting old or really sick? You might as well just drop insurance if you're tired of paying so much
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I didn't see anything in this CBO analysis that said I would get worse coverage.
My happiness rides on me getting the same or better coverage for less money.
Dubbedinenglish
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But then premiums go up 30%!
LegendofJoe
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Or get old, where you'll end up losing more money than you saved when you were younger (unless you get lucky). Hooray for penny wise, pound foolish decision making.
Narpas Sword0
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What do these people who you think "are happy to stop coverage" do when they get cancer or hit by a car?
Black Mamba
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As pigeon rightly pointed out, your premiums are likely to not go down. In fact, they're likely to go up.
The average premium price will drop after 2020 but that is mostly because people in the age range 50-64 will drop their insurance because they can't afford it.
So that causes the average to drop, but it does not mean your premiums will drop. They can go up (and likely will) as the average drops.
Oh, and you're likely to also have a crappier bronze plan if you don't already.
Have fun!
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