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I moved on... just read the GAF comments... it is a waste of time imo to watch technical videos.Really hate how DF never writes articles anymore. I can't stand watching videos to gleen technical data.
I moved on... just read the GAF comments... it is a waste of time imo to watch technical videos.Really hate how DF never writes articles anymore. I can't stand watching videos to gleen technical data.
You can see here how low poly the character models are. Especially disappointing considering this is a 30fps game.
Yup. More than the character, the environments are easily the part of the game that makes it most look "last gen."The environments themselves seem to have as much polygonal detail as the original too.
Yup. More than the character, the environments are easily the part of the game that makes it most looks "last gen."
DF talked to a network specialist, who's also an ex developer from Respawn Entertainment and Sony, and he said Bungie could have offloaded some features of the games (physics, AI, etc...) to the cloud with dedicated servers and thus, Destiny 2 could have been 60fps (on PS4 Pro at least).
It's at around 5:50 in the video.
I'm at work and I have no data signal. Anything mentioned for PRO 1080p users? Any sampling going on.
Dont get why people dont see the difference., The lighting stands out right away from Destiny 1.
It was also stated when they were shown the PC footage at 4K 60fps it was running on a GTX 1080Ti and a i7 7700K cpu, and that the 7700K is basically a quantum leap over the Jaguar CPUs in consoles.
Time for people that think Destiny 2 will be 4K 60fps on Scorpio to come back to reality.
To me it looks pretty comparable. Certainly better, but I definitely can see how an untrained eye wouldn't consider them improved, especially when looking at youtube videos.
Dude knows what he is talking about, but it is definitely speculative of whether it would help them hit 60+ fps. There would be no way to know for sure until profiling the game.
Most of the people I've heard saying that don't play Destiny. Of course a sequel where they use the same art style will look like the "same game". I noticed a difference immediately, especially in crucible videos. Lighting and effects are much improved.
CPU bottleneckI can see the improvements over D1 as someone who only very casually played the first one. However I do wonder how they couldn't optimize the game to run at 60 fps, at least on a PS4 Pro. Don't get me wrong the game doesn't look bad but certainly a bunch of 60 fps shooters look way more impressive than Destiny 2. Maybe the engine is too taxing and doesn't scale well with certain hardware - it really is very disappointing to say the least.
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Because the CPU time... no matter how powerful your GPU is it will always run in 30fps on consoles because the game is CPU bound.I can see the improvements over D1 as someone who only very casually played the first one. However I do wonder how they couldn't optimize the game to run at 60 fps, at least on a PS4 Pro. Don't get me wrong the game doesn't look bad but certainly a bunch of 60 fps shooters look way more impressive than Destiny 2. Maybe the engine is too taxing and doesn't scale well with certain hardware - it really is very disappointing to say the least.
Destiny was never and probably will never be a graphical showcase
Thanks for the heads up!This video contains almost no new information or insight, other than they couldn't detect any framedrops. The PS4 Pro version will have a 4K mode of some sort, but it's unknown if it will be upsacled, checkerboard, or native.
I'm talking about people I know that are parroting these things that don't play Destiny. You want me to screenshot their games played or what? Jesus.
The environments themselves seem to have as much polygonal detail as the original too.
Hopefully DF can put an end to people saying it looks identical to the first game when it's a clear upgrade.
BF1 looks better, has more going on and hits a fairly steady 50-55fps on ps4 and x1.
No, I just think, in general, that's a lazy-ass blanket excuse people use to hand-wave away opinions that conflict with their own. Right up there alongside "you didn't play ____ enough" or "you played it too long so clearly you like it."
Destiny was never and probably will never be a graphical showcase
Most of the people I've heard saying that don't play Destiny. Of course a sequel where they use the same art style will look like the "same game". I noticed a difference immediately, especially in crucible videos. Lighting and effects are much improved.
Have hundreds of hours in Destiny 1, opened this video up and clicked about a third of the way in and immediately wondered if it was Destiny 1 being shown as a comparison point before realizing that environment didn't exist in the original.
It has improvements sure, but most of Destiny 2 feels like a more polished version of Destiny 1.
Have hundreds of hours in Destiny 1, opened this video up and clicked about a third of the way in and immediately wondered if it was Destiny 1 being shown as a comparison point before realizing that environment didn't exist in the original.
It has improvements sure, but most of Destiny 2 feels like a more polished version of Destiny 1.
Edit: ^ Makes a good point. That's one thing that pops out immediately, the more "bloomy" feel of D2.
Yep, I've said this before as well...that would've been fully possible considering Destiny is an always online game. But that'd require maintaining and paying for cloud servers. If they saw that to be financially feasible then we'd already be getting dedicated servers for the game.
I watched in 1080p 60fps on YT.The 480p resolution is making my eyes bleed. Did the video not finish encoding or did they really upload at 480p
Pretty much. Destiny 2 defenders need to take the L and just accept the game is not a massive jump visually.
When the footage in the video started, I was confused whether they were showing the original Destiny or the sequel. Even the animations are the same including the reload one.
lol ok buddy. If you want to know correct terms, it's called anecdotal evidence. I never claimed it was fact, just that it was my experience. It's not excusing anything away, it's contrasting the complaints of someone who has never played the game vs my personal experience in playing the game for hundreds of hours and noticing a difference. It's as valid as any of these comments in this discussion. Just because it upsets you for some reason, doesn't mean it's bullshit.
You're free to disagree with it, but calling it a lazy-ass blanket excuse is the lazy-ass way to disagree with my experience.
I kinda doubt that anyone unfamiliar with the game and its engine is qualified to say the extent to which cloud computing would improve performance.
At what point does Sony get blamed? If it's that easy to sit back and just say "This company should have spent more money so I could have 60 fps," then why not also fault the cheaper, weaker CPU in the PS4 Pro?
You are correct actually. Considering games like Destiny would turn in enormous profits for the publisher.The sad thing for gamers is that financially feasible is meant to sound like "can we break even" when it is likely "are we willing / do we really need to give up a percentage of outrageous revenue we are planning to get over time on this title?".
Seriously, I can't believe people are trying to pass off post processing and material improvements as significant upgrades in a current-gen only sequel to a cross gen game.Destiny could be really pretty when it wanted to.
And it did that being a crossgen game, all of its visuals were hamstrung by having to run on the PS3 and 360. This being a PS4+ only thing, one expects better than refinement. The lighting looks "bloomier", shading/materials seem to be better , and the effects may or may not be more complex (I honestly can't really notice), but it looks decidedly very effing similar.
Btw I have been making a lot of posts where I described these exact upgrades that DF is talking about i.e. proper PBR, Bokeh DoF, GPU particles, improved post processing and I got told "I have no sources and I am talking out of my ass" lol.
To those people...now you know ! Also in the homecoming mission you have volumetric lighting...first evident when you go down the stairs towards where the Speaker's tower is (the scene follows after Zavala pops his bubble to protect the player.
Were you having a stroke or something? I know you're probably exaggerating but I think it's pretty obvious instantly that it's not D1.
That's fine that you didn't notice. I did immediately. I don't think you can really say though that "most of Destiny 2 feels like a more polished version of Destiny 1" when we haven't seen most of it.
I watched in 1080p 60fps on YT.
The sad thing for gamers is that financially feasible is meant to sound like "can we break even" when it is likely "are we willing / do we really need to give up a percentage of outrageous revenue we are planning to get over time on this title?".
If consumers do not complain and pre-orders and season passes go well, then they are right... why bother giving people something when they are going to buy the product regardless of you giving them what they asked for or not?
Looks like shit. I dunno how it can't run at 60fps on the Pro when BF1 runs in the 50s on the Pro and looks much better.
Did you guys bother to read the entirety of my post? I said I jumped into the middle of the video, of a particular point that DF was showing off that made it think it was D1 before realizing it wasn't.
Oh I'm so sorry, I didn't realize seeing this:
There's absolutely no way someone could be confused for a moment.
Wow this looks so unimpressive l just can't understand why this game is so popular.
Wow this looks so unimpressive l just can't understand why this game is so popular.
Wow this looks so unimpressive l just can't understand why this game is so popular.