BeautifulMemory
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Well, the OT definitely delivered though after 2 (3?) years of chaos and fun on this board. Can't wait once people start playing the game as well
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DmC |OT| No, F*ck You!
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call_kotaku
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In memory of the neogaf DmC defense force (RIP in peace), lets break the bashing for a moment for some speculation.
Since Capcom seems pretty keen to acquire NT and make a franchise out of this, what do you think they had in mind for DmC2? Vergil obviously returns but what's the new premise now that the Fox News police state setting has been resolved.
Since Capcom seems pretty keen to acquire NT and make a franchise out of this, what do you think they had in mind for DmC2? Vergil obviously returns but what's the new premise now that the Fox News police state setting has been resolved.
I was using the exact adjectives other had employed.
I don't have a problem with people that enjoy a type of skilled play that only a small minority of players can or do enjoy. But I don't like the fact that they completely dominate the conversation and define what a "fan" of this franchise is or what others are supposed to want or expect from it.
By your guys own admittance few people who played previous entries played them at that level. I know I never did and I still beat them and enjoyed them. And for me and most of the people who have enjoyed the previous entries, this game will likely be just as fun. But I feel like there is no room for our fun conversation for all the baying at the moon. That is actually one reason I hope someone makes a PC thread so I can have a place to talk about the game outside of this circus because I assume most of those outraged are probably playing on consoles.
I've never played a DMC game in my life.
I'm a huge fan of Ninja Theory. I really loved Enslaved (even though it had shortcomings), and I really was fond of Heavenly Sword.
I'm a gamer who likes good narrative, and who likes a game that isn't generic (like some cod clone, or some generic fps that takes place in Jerkoffstan) and is creative with what there trying to do (I'm okay with generic combat..but I like unique settings, and unique themes).
Should this game be on my radar gaf based on the above?
I'm a huge fan of Ninja Theory. I really loved Enslaved (even though it had shortcomings), and I really was fond of Heavenly Sword.
I'm a gamer who likes good narrative, and who likes a game that isn't generic (like some cod clone, or some generic fps that takes place in Jerkoffstan) and is creative with what there trying to do (I'm okay with generic combat..but I like unique settings, and unique themes).
Should this game be on my radar gaf based on the above?
Maybe.
I already made the FAQ post in memory of GAF DmC defense force (RIP in peace). Let's just hope the OT creator edits that in.
You know I asked myself that question and I really have no clue where they can take the new series from here. All I know is that they are going to need a new "gimmick" with the environments because they can't use that again... that much is pretty obvious from that ending.
Another thing is that the Sparda sword or his power is irrelevant in this universe. Dante/Vergil are stronger than Sparda because they are Nephilim. Maybe in the sequel they can have more Nephilim characters and show more of the Angel universe. That would be a good place to start for the sequel.
Yes.
If you are right then I would be bummed about that. Have you already played through the ga,e and can confirm that?
Mentaiko_Allergy
Member
I pretty much used those guys as jump cancel practice when they showed up. Now the fallen and enigmas were annoying as shit.
DmC will have better then generic/boring combat. And if you like their story telling, then it couldn't hurt to give it a shot. It looks to be a better game then either HS or Enslaved.
I have not played through the game but I have seen pretty much every video they have put out for the game plus read most of the reviews/previews. They all state that and in fact it was the reviewers who said the game is more linear than previous DMC games.
Thankfully there is no backtracking though.
BeautifulMemory
Member
For a sequel NT could up the ante and do settings in hell (demon)/heaven (angels), and in that sense they can make changes to Dante's DT and setting up a battle against Nelo Angelo
Snapshot King
Member
The vast majority of people who care enough about the DMC series are those who care about the games having that level of depth. If you want to just talk about the game in mindlessly positive terms without any critical perspective I can suggest that you try gamefaqs.
As for your mention of a PC thread, I doubt one will be made, and even so, there's almost no chance of it being any different as I imagine a good many of us folks that are either disappointed or cautiously skeptical are getting the PC version. I mean, I know I am. I know Dahbomb is.
Sparda is still alive in this game's continuity so I would like to see him make a proper appearance. Put a bigger focus on the Angel/Nephilim aspect because right now that's a pointless change to the lore.
That is pretty much the exact type of attitude I was referring to in my post so thanks for validating my concerns, I guess.
Snapshot King
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Man, the fuck is with the weird convergence of the Nephilim throughout games this year? I don't think I ever heard the term before 2012 but suddenly they seemed to be everywhere.
DarknessTear
Banned
It's the Illuminati of course.
I don't think they can go forward with that anymore.
I saw it in 3 games last year. D3, Darksiders 2 and DmC.
Snapshot King
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Oh. I actually meant last year. I forgot we were 2013.
call_kotaku
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I guess the difference is whether the game's combat is "good" or if it's "good enough". I think everyone except the exceptionally fanatical would agree with you on the first point, but many (myself included) would argue the second.
Were angels ever in the original DMC continuity?
I suppose having Nephilim villains would be interesting, just so there would be more man-sized boss fights, or villains directly relevant to Dante's character. Blob bosses aren't particularly compelling, and according to reports that's what we're getting in this game.
normalmode
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Is it pretty common knowledge that you can "New Game+" a new playthrough without needing to beat the game? In other words, you can play and unlock 10 or so chapters on normal difficulty and then start a hard playthrough on the first chapter with all the moves you've unlocked so far. Been toying around with the review copy and I just noticed this.
I actually thought that was happen in this game. In fact I thought originally that Quicksilver-ish DT was his Angel Trigger and he would get a real DT later on in the game.
The Angel side of the lore is not explored much at all.
Yes this is common knowledge. It's how it was in DMC3/DMC4.
There wasn't even a god in the original DMC continuity nor was there a heaven. The whole DMC universe was very cynical... basically what humans perceived as heaven was actually hell. A lot of the Hellish areas in DMC look like Heaven. I always thought that was cool. Even Mundus presents himself as an angel and his palace is like this heavenly marbled place. What humans worshiped as a god was a demon as well. Dante is essentially the Jesus Christ of the series.
However people say that the whole Time Bangle/Eva being a witch Easter Egg in Bayonetta really throws the whole DMC lore into a loop. I don't put much stock into it but that would be cool to have just for a Bayonetta x DMC crossover.
Riposte
Member
So the conclusion is that this game is easy compared to previous DMCs?
El Shaddai.
Resident Evil doesn't need a reboot. Frankly, no series does. The whole "reboot" phenomenon is among the worst marketing tricks around. Revivals don't count.
El Shaddai.
Resident Evil doesn't need a reboot. Frankly, no series does. The whole "reboot" phenomenon is among the worst marketing tricks around. Revivals don't count.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The satisfaction from the depth comes from the intellectual and visceral thrill of discovering and exploring engaging game systems. I would argue that Chivalry's and DMC's depth come from a similar activity. Which is picking the combat systems apart in order to conquer increasingly skillful enemies. When that aspect is removed then all you have left is styling for styling's sake, which isn't as engaging unless there's some mechanical complexity.
Once the game is out we should get proper answers from Capcom and NT. Right now it's all PR. Capcom wants to make NT look good so fans support DmC and NT doing the same. I am sure the ugly side will come out sometime after release. And no I really don't think DmC will get a sequel. I doubt the development went as smoothly as people think. Capcom probably ended up spending more than they thought they would. I am calling it now Capcom will not want to work with NT again .
SkylineRKR
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Sounds like the demo. I got the same impression from that. You can't go back at all. Its just moving forward, doing some platform stuff and clear rooms. This combined with a much less challenging difficulty and broken ranking system certainly makes DmC a one way ticket thats probably not worth the full buck at all.
Riposte
Member
The depth of Chivalry comes mainly from the fact you face human opponents. There is also depth in teamwork (which actually might come at the expense the depth you'd normally find from duels, since this can start to become too unpredictable with a certain number of opponents).
EDIT: I think NT wants to make original IP. Maybe they have a certain thing for Devil May Cry though.
EDIT: I think NT wants to make original IP. Maybe they have a certain thing for Devil May Cry though.
It's spoilers for the game. I don't want to confirm or de-confirm anything.
So you missed the thread where Capcom basically said they wanted to buy in NT.
Snapshot King
Member
Absolutely. DmC however is imitating the old style poorly.
Night_Trekker
Member
Oh for fuck's sake, do you even believe that?
Sources? This got me to look at a few previews. Here are the bis related to level design in the most recent ones I could find:
IGN said:
1up said:
Well, they've already been cited as saying that they do want to work with them again.
I really didn't get that experience at all when going through the demo. There were a few optional hallways, secret sub missions, and optional mini games that needed you to scour the environment to collect enough tokens to unlock; combined with the platformong, It wasn't DMC levels of exploration, but it seems a huge improvement over 3-4 level design.
None of the stuff you posted has anything to do with how the levels are actually designed mechanically or how open/linear they are. It's all describing how the environments LOOK (which I still say they look damn good in DmC for the most part).
It's late here and I am going to bed... I will try to find the preview in the morning.
All of that is present in previous games as well. Stuff like finding hidden red orbs spots, blue orb fragments, items and secret missions have always been in DMC games. I am talking about the path towards your main objective that is getting to the next area is very straightforward. They don't even give you a map to look in.
The game is definitely more open than DMC4, the demo was specifically cut to make it look like it is not (and even there, there were a few secrets). From what I have played (just 3 hours in, replayed the first two levels several times and on m3), these levels have quite a bit of optional exploration to do -especially if you go back with the angel/demon grab skills already equipped.
As I said above: it is not THAT straightforward. In some cases, less than in, say, DMC4, again
This might get more linear on later level, will check back on it once I am there
As I said above: it is not THAT straightforward. In some cases, less than in, say, DMC4, again
This might get more linear on later level, will check back on it once I am there AcceptableGhost
Member
I don't think DmC is a title that deserves any more of an OT than it got.
Also, fuck me, I just spent 20 minutes dying over and over on a traversal-type part of a mission. Why? Because I was not alerted that I got the angel dash (or was it automatically mine when I got the angel grab? ) and I tried going from one platform to another and then another and another without that plus dash....
It was painful. I thought it was a bug. Phew
) and I tried going from one platform to another and then another and another without that plus dash....It was painful. I thought it was a bug. Phew
BadAss2961
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Most Devil May Cry levels are built around areas with several rooms for you to explore and backtrack through. It's a particular way in which the games are designed, part of its Resident Evil roots.The game is definitely more open than DMC4, the demo was specifically cut to make it look like it is not (and even there, there were a few secrets). From what I have played (just 3 hours in, replayed the first two levels several times and on m3), these levels have quite a bit of optional exploration to do -especially if you go back with the angel/demon grab skills already equipped.
As I said above: it is not THAT straightforward. In some cases, less than in, say, DMC4, again
Sure there's some exploring to be had within DmC's areas, but it doesn't seem to share the RE'ish design of the original games. Or does it?
I have yet to buy demon dodge, but once I do, I will try that instant SSS stuff if it is possible or not. All I know is that the individual style levels do indeed still stay up (so once I reach S or SS, it stays), while the levels itself decrease (from high S to bottom S, in this example, with a few seconds of inactivity or not varying the attacks enough.)
There has been no update yet for the game (I assume it goes up on release day?) so that might still change a bit.
I would say it is way more progression-oriented (with the morphing environments, you are often physically unable to walk back to some places), but it is not a linear hallway after linear hallway. Here's hoping it stays that way
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