Zombie James
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Forbes: " Sony draws yawns ".
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That was the big difference.TGDaily said:
People also need to keep in mind that Killzone 2..is..Killzone 2.
The first one was not a big seller, nor a system seller and neither the PSP game was... (as much as I loved both)...
Unless Sony does a hell of a job advertising it, the game is just going to sell to the same people that bought a PS3 or that already wanted a PS3. Which is good, but no Halo 3 good..considering that Sony is banking this game as the Halo 3 killer.
TheDarkKnight774
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frAntic_Frog said:
no i'm not bothered by the wii. I own it, i own all 3 GAME consoles. I want to use the new controller to play legitimate GAMES. Not releasing a board that assists people in pushups and yoga and having all these people that don't like my hobby cheer.
Right now the only games i'm interested in seem to be sequels to GC games and the VC. And before developers can even blink to use the wiimote Nintendo has gone and announce 3 other accessories. WTF?
GremlinInTheMachine
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CrushDance said:
They all sucked. It was almost all stuff we've seen before, and most of it we've seen over and over. Another bundle of MGS cutscenes--pinch me.
Rahxephon91
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If Wii Fit is the future of games its a sad future.
Two things needed to be said.
1. Nintendo fans, you don't have to LIKE Wii Fit and the like. It is ok to admit it. Nintendo isn't even aiming it at you.
2. "Hardcore" gamers really need to come to terms with the fact stuff like Killzone 2 and MGS 4 do no matter anymore in terms of market place shifts. The industry is no longer in that place, outside a niche that well gaf is part of, but it is shrinking.
1. Nintendo fans, you don't have to LIKE Wii Fit and the like. It is ok to admit it. Nintendo isn't even aiming it at you.
2. "Hardcore" gamers really need to come to terms with the fact stuff like Killzone 2 and MGS 4 do no matter anymore in terms of market place shifts. The industry is no longer in that place, outside a niche that well gaf is part of, but it is shrinking.
Greenpanda
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shidoshi said:
Ironically, I would have said the same thing about Nintendo a day ago, but after today, I'm actually feeling a bit bad about the absolute drubbing they're taking today on GAF ... heh.
E3 always changes everything, I guess.
It bored me to death.
They all bored me to death.
I did find the brutal audience responses to all three very entertaining. :lol
"Here's the XBOX 360 Halo edition!"
::crickets::
"Here's the Wii-wheel!"
::crickets::
"Here's Haze! Exclusive to the PS3!"
::crickets::
So great... :lol
They all bored me to death.
I did find the brutal audience responses to all three very entertaining. :lol
"Here's the XBOX 360 Halo edition!"
::crickets::
"Here's the Wii-wheel!"
::crickets::
"Here's Haze! Exclusive to the PS3!"
::crickets::
So great... :lol
fortified_concept
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xaosslug said:
They're not hardcore Nintendo fans, if they were they'd be at least worried with this WiiFit fad and other non-game crap. I was a hardcore Nintendo fan. These people are just loyalists that don't even care about the path Nintendo has taken as long as the company makes money and they can brag about it.
MightyHedgehog
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It's very interesting because they aren't emotionally invested in the companies or their platforms. They're more concerned about the business end. Cold hard facts, man. Honestly, while there may be an element of backlash at work, it's only because Sony set themselves up for it with E3 '05 and their subsequent failure to hold onto mindshare and marketshare.GhaleonEB said:
frAntic_Frog
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lol i bet if McDonalds had a conference revealing a new McSalad and a new pedo-meter walking minigame for fat corporate white-collar consumers, it'll be hailed as revolutionary lolGhaleonEB said:
mentalfloss
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Core407 said:
Ehhh... It's technically pretty good, but you have to admit it looks pretty generic.
GremlinInTheMachine
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krypt0nian said:
With what? A virtual dollhouse, a half-assed PSP remodel, yet another bunch of MGS 4 cutscenes, and a game that looks like another grey generic FPS?
How's the weather there in Sonyland?
Vyse The Legend
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Nintendo showed nothing.
Microsoft showed everything we've known about for ages, and some boring new stuff (Scene it! Halo 3 LE 360, Viva Pinata mini-games).
Sony unveiled a new PSP design, highlighted all the games unique to their console, showed off some seriously impressive HOME stuff, and had a much better ending than Microsoft's (and the great Halo 3 trailer butchery; who edited that footage, seriously?! They somehow suceeded in making most people underwhelmed by Halo). The Sony E3 conference was lessened by the fact that we all saw the Killzone 2 trailer last night. If they had saved it until today, we wouldn't even be arguing the merits of their conference.
Besides, theirs was at least mildly entertaining with their interchange with the HOME avatars, especially Kaz BBQing. :lol Overall, it was jam-packed with no serious deadzones, unlike the other two companies.
Microsoft showed everything we've known about for ages, and some boring new stuff (Scene it! Halo 3 LE 360, Viva Pinata mini-games).
Sony unveiled a new PSP design, highlighted all the games unique to their console, showed off some seriously impressive HOME stuff, and had a much better ending than Microsoft's (and the great Halo 3 trailer butchery; who edited that footage, seriously?! They somehow suceeded in making most people underwhelmed by Halo). The Sony E3 conference was lessened by the fact that we all saw the Killzone 2 trailer last night. If they had saved it until today, we wouldn't even be arguing the merits of their conference.
Besides, theirs was at least mildly entertaining with their interchange with the HOME avatars, especially Kaz BBQing. :lol Overall, it was jam-packed with no serious deadzones, unlike the other two companies.
TheDarkKnight774
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Jirotrom said:
and which big projects is nintendo working on? Where are some new franchises, new characters, new actual gameplay experiences?
Sony was able to show off they actually have a portfolio for early '08. I would hardly call their 2 performances par, the difference was quite obvious. When the highlight of Microsoft's conference were 3-4 multiplatform games coming out this fall, that is nothing something brag worthy. On the other hand when you show off stuff like Killzone 2, MGS4 and GT5 that looks good and is arriving sometime in 2008, it shows legitimate promise for the console. Sony has a strong 1st party showing this 2007 as well along with the 2 3rd party exclusives they got (Haze and UT3).DopeyFish said:
Sony's conference was just simply better compared to Microsoft's and as far as I can tell Sony has done a good job of maintaining confidence within their own fanbase (something they needed to do for quite sometime). Nintendo on the other hand did the opposite, hence we have these reactions you see on GAF.
Obviously I speak on behalf of myself, as a person who enjoys gaming as a hobby and one who is not at all interested in non-game bull ****. I was far more entertained in the Microsoft/Sony conferences than the Nintendo one but I may not be able to say the same for others who aren't that much into gaming.
It's huge enough it looks as good as it does. Team Guerilla will reveal the game play elements later on with a demo and a build that features more than one level. They seem to have successfully implemented a cover mechanic for 1st person (not the weird 3rd person/1st person hybrid found in Rainbow Six), highly destructible environments, weapon customization (supposedly), dynamic weather changing by the enemy and a really amazing animation system. There is other crap like deferred lighting and stuff which is supposedly ground breaking but we need to see more on the game at this point. What has been shown is indeed quite impressive.Chiggs said:
richman555
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I think this new E3 format is the culprit of the "yawns". E3 used to be a huge marketing tool for the industry and now its serves as a boring and dull press release. I think if this continues for several years, I actually think it will hurt the industry.
gketter said:
Well .. the thing is, you and the rest of the Nintendo Army know full well that this is the direction that Nintendo is heading in and if you continue to support them, then it only validates what they're doing. If you're going to live by Nintendo's sword, then prepare to die by it as well.
Personally, I feel like Nintendo is setting video gaming back about 5-10 years with the casual push. If this wins out this generation and all the publishers decide that cheaper, more casual friendly games are the way to go instead of the big-budget high-definition blockbuster games, then the hobby will have officially taken a step back instead of moving forward. Our next generation consoles will do nothing at all to push technology forward and we'll be stuck playing shovelware like Emeril Cooks Cajun waggle style.
Rahxephon91
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I don't know. PS3 not selling so great. EA going more and more casual.omg rite said:
Vyse The Legend said:
a) Nintendo showed nothing is a lie. They showed nothing that interested YOU. Wii Fit, however, is obviously something. And I think showing Zelda and Metroid being playing well with their respective controls is also "something". Though we'll ignore that.
b) The HOME segment made me feel embarrassed for him. "Maybe I can meet up with some hot chicks." This is Sony's issue. It's just silly. As for "entertaining", that's all an opinion, but the audience was entertained during the Wii Fit segment. Overall, I found Nintendo's conference kind of dry except for the Wii Fit part, but Sony's wasn't much better in terms of "entertainment."
TheGreatDave
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Vyse The Legend said:
Nintendo showed a product with infinitely more mainstream appeal than anything Sony did. Hence; the mainstream press show them more respect.
JoshuaJSlone
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Both. If doing what we like is successful, it causes a shift towards what we like.fortified_concept said:
She didn't say they weren't.human5892 said:
Heh. I wonder if fast food places offering salads caused uproars among burger enthusiasts.frAntic_Frog said:
Vyse The Legend
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Chiggs said:
I personally believe and will bet anything that H3 is the superior game (IMO, of course), but the novelty of Killzone 2 is that no one in the world outside of rabid Sony fans thought that it would come anywhere near the CG trailer, but it did completely. It's just crow being dished out and quite unexpectedly.
crazyscreenwriter
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Ranger X said:
Yeah. Exactly. There's even a big poster stating that in the conference room of FORBES.... /sarcasm.
They simply saw Sony's press conference differently through different eyes (those of a business magazine) than you did (those of a fanboy).
krypt0nian
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GremlinInTheMachine said:
Hay Guys! I live in SonyLand now. It was bound to happen.
You know people think I'm an xbot right, you twit?
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