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Halo |OT12| Last One Out, Get the Lights
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MrGreencastle
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Dude... Fantastic idea.
So off the hip after a bit of long testing:
Halo 3's Spawn influence weighting:
Objective > > > > Spawn Zone > Teammate Proxmity > > Enemy Proximity
Reach's Spawn influence weighting:
Spawn Zone > > > > Objective > > > Teammate Proximity > > Enemy Proximity = Anti, Weak > > Line of Sight
Halo 4's Spawn influence weighting:
Enemy Proximity > > Teammate Proximity > Line of Sight > Anti, Weak > Objective > Spawn Zone > Explosion
In 4, enemies being in proximity to all your team's zone spawns will pop you out into the other spawns on the map.
Halo 3's Spawn influence weighting:
Objective > > > > Spawn Zone > Teammate Proxmity > > Enemy Proximity
Reach's Spawn influence weighting:
Spawn Zone > > > > Objective > > > Teammate Proximity > > Enemy Proximity = Anti, Weak > > Line of Sight
Halo 4's Spawn influence weighting:
Enemy Proximity > > Teammate Proximity > Line of Sight > Anti, Weak > Objective > Spawn Zone > Explosion
In 4, enemies being in proximity to all your team's zone spawns will pop you out into the other spawns on the map.
That, I don't know yet. And yea if they are consistent then it's a good thing. All I've noticed is that they're different than what I tested. I'll do some new testing tomorrow.
I noticed a bad side effect of the massive increase to broweight. I was playing Valhalla, at top hill. I see the Mantis has spawned back at the base, so I go sprinting back for it.
Along the way, all my dying teammates are just sprouting out of the ground next to me. I just wanted to run back and get a vehicle and I was putting them at a detriment by continually spawning them farther and farther from the action until I got to the Mantis.
I can't tell at the moment if there's even spawn cooldown anymore.
Reagan's BR
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Agreed and seconded.
I did not see this tonight.
Although Havok did get an Incineration cannon on Haven :|
In personal ordnance... :||||||
Rickenslacker
Banned
Haha oh wow.
Tunavi you're a shithead, don't post that image raw.
Tunavi you're a shithead, don't post that image raw.
Reagan's BR
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The SAW is such a connection dependent weapon, it's usually a worthless thing for me to even pick. I feel like the AR is just as powerful sometimes, weird.
Yup. More versatile too. SAW is good on base defense with others around you for cover.
Bregmann Roche
Member
Agreed. Good games. Objective games in Halo 4 are leagues ahead of the non-MLG objective games in Reach. Good Riddance Headhunter! Smell you later Stockpile!
Oh is that what that is? I never understood how that could happen, but that makes sense I guess...
Either way, you should play spartan ops in co-op.
I would be up for that.
xxjuicesxx
Member
I'm so against care pa..ordnance in Halo that I just let it sit there. Begging to be called down. I have it right where I want it.
Just got matched up with Mioff in infinity slayer. Hes pretty good.
Im using it now and its incredible.
Im using it now and its incredible.
I feel the same way, but I'll take those off our hands for you.
Did you know that you can use ordnance to splatter enemies and destroy vehicles?
Nuke 'em with a needler drop.
Like, two in a row? The normal two spots on that map (both side ramps)? I still haven't been able to tell if the system will allow two drops in the same spot one immediately (2 minutes) after the other. I don't know if it's necessarily being changed, or if you're just seeing different tendencies in a random system. I've maybe noticed more high-tier power weapons being chosen in the few games I played tonight, but I don't know if that's because they're changing the weightings on the backend, or if a dice roll just dictated that it was going to happen.
I want a Global Ordnance FAQ with data to replace the image they put out that consisted of a ring of weapons and some squiggly lines that might as well have said "some wizardry happens here!" That I need a FAQ to understand exactly how the weapon spawning system works in a shooter says a lot about what I think of the system.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Lol it took you that long?
Could you post that picture? I haven't seen it before. Also I thought the inability to pinpoint any precise mechanical workings was one of the "features" of "Global Ordinance Drops."
Record is something like 1:27.
The team actually stayed in the game and gave us a fairly competitive match the next time around though. Either we pissed them off or we just managed to legsweep them the first time.
checking the video, 1:36. not sure if that includes time thats not on the clock
Sure, here it is:
That image is a little misleading because it doesn't show that spots can have multiple weapons as a possibility, depending on how they're tailored. At this point I've got the basics of the system down, just not some of the smaller rules it uses (such as whether or not a spot can be chosen twice in a row). It's aggravating because I like to know that stuff. Especially if I decide that I want to continue making Forge maps, which is already a pretty big if. To me, there's a difference between not being able to exactly predict what is going to happen based on the system, and not being able to tell what the constraints of the system are at all.
https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/FyreWulff/wargames/match-a23853563b0e5c46
Waypoint reports it as 1:45. I think it counts start up and closeout time, also if they're still rounding like Bungie's Reach stats did.
Either way I love the Last Stand mechanic because if a game is lopsided, it just ends and everyone can move on.
edit: also I don't even know if that game link even works for not-me.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Snipers this go round has just been a dissapointment.
Already playing against halo 3 snipers 50's I recognise lol, at least true skill works - shame the gameplay needs improving. This feels more like swat than snipes.
U4ix - the pistol should never be in snipes, I played games of reach where it was the only thing people used.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
I have had some crazy luck going on, virtually every time I could use a sniper, whether it be ammo or any of the 3 snipers in the game I get them.
3 ordinance drops in a row on Exile.
3 ordinance drops in a row on Exile.
VivaciousJazzy
Member
So after playing snipes today I overall enjoyed it but I hope for a few changes to be made as snipers is one of my favorite and most played playlists.
-Radar Removed: It only makes games slower and promotes annoying gameplay
-Expanded map pool: I enjoy snipers on big maps but I also enjoy small maps for variety. Add Haven, Adrift, and Abandon to the mix.
-Beam Rifles: Halo 3 did a good job with these, have them on the map but don't allow players to spawn with them.
-Secondary Weapon/Nades: A secondary weapon would be a tremendous help, like reach if you empty your clip you get a longer reload animation which can be avoided by Y+Ying while holding a secondary weapon. If players find it to be a problem being cleaned up or annoyed by pistol shots you could even use a plasma pistol which would be of little use. As for nades, its not a big deal but they can be useful for cleaning up a long distance kill that is hiding.
-Armor abilities: This is a big iffy one to me but it could be fun to add Hologram, Thruster pack and Hardlight Shield.
Though I thoroughly enjoy Halo 4, the matchmaking needs a serious overhaul. Playlists need to be condensed, added to, and adjusted, and I hope 343 starts making better use of their weekly matchmaking updates by fixing current playlists and not removing old favorites which seems to be hinted.
-Radar Removed: It only makes games slower and promotes annoying gameplay
-Expanded map pool: I enjoy snipers on big maps but I also enjoy small maps for variety. Add Haven, Adrift, and Abandon to the mix.
-Beam Rifles: Halo 3 did a good job with these, have them on the map but don't allow players to spawn with them.
-Secondary Weapon/Nades: A secondary weapon would be a tremendous help, like reach if you empty your clip you get a longer reload animation which can be avoided by Y+Ying while holding a secondary weapon. If players find it to be a problem being cleaned up or annoyed by pistol shots you could even use a plasma pistol which would be of little use. As for nades, its not a big deal but they can be useful for cleaning up a long distance kill that is hiding.
-Armor abilities: This is a big iffy one to me but it could be fun to add Hologram, Thruster pack and Hardlight Shield.
Though I thoroughly enjoy Halo 4, the matchmaking needs a serious overhaul. Playlists need to be condensed, added to, and adjusted, and I hope 343 starts making better use of their weekly matchmaking updates by fixing current playlists and not removing old favorites which seems to be hinted.
Devin Olsen
Member
Nope.
User 73932
Banned
Poor Barrow.
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