TheSlySoul
Member
Does the Kickstarter have sexy male genies or am I remembering wrong?RIP Shantae?
---
Reasonable requests, though.
Does the Kickstarter have sexy male genies or am I remembering wrong?RIP Shantae?
---
Reasonable requests, though.
Huh? Is this actually a big problem? I've not heard a lot of games where the female screams and such sound orgasmic compared to the male ones. The only time I've ever heard someone say that a death sounded orgasmic in a game was Dark Souls, and they were talking about the male sounds.
I think that point is a little weird. Why can't a woman have a nice butt? I'm not saying to throw it in your face at all times or whatnot, but I don't think it's wrong to have a nice figure. You can still have a nice, noticeable figure without being sexual.
I don't understand the bolded, does she mean to not have ass shots in cutscenes?
I wonder, has there ever been a list like this for movies or music?
This reminds me more of the comics code type of list to be honest.
This is one is funny to me. Countless times when I'm watching a movie or playing a game I know that if someone just passes by and listen to what is going on they are going to think I'm watching porn.Record female character voiceover so that pain sounds painful, not orgasmic
So not liking an end is the same as DEMANDING that they changed it? The end just plain sucked and Bioware lied to their fans about it before releasing the game, then people come and distort the story to make the fans look bad.So.
Fucking.
What.
Are people so insecure that a woman is petitioning for change that they are put off by her tone sounding demanding?
GAMERS criticizing a woman for being DEMANDING?
The same audience of people who demanded a new ending to the Mass Effect Trilogy because they didn't like it?
So what if she's demanding? People who campaign for progress always demand it. They don't make "suggestions."
Well...6. MGS4 and 5 have some skimpy outfits being toted as gear that's sufficient for armed combat.
What is that even supposed to mean?
Here's the list:
Avoid the Smurfette principle (don't have just one female character in an ensemble cast, let alone one whose personality is more or less "girl" or "woman.")
"Lingerie is not armor" (Dress female characters as something other than sex objects.)
Have female characters of various body types
Don't over-emphasize female characters' rear ends, not any more than you would the average male character's.
Include more female characters of color.
Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.
Record female character voiceover so that pain sounds painful, not orgasmic
Include female enemies, but don't sexualize those enemies
Very reasonable.
Occasionally, as she went through these suggestions, Sarkeesian would mention counter-arguments. For example, she said that impractically-sexualized costumes communicate that a female character's "value and worth is tied to ability to arouse straight young men." But she added that some of her critics say that male characters are sexualized, too. She doesn't buy it, pointing out that it's common to, say, see female characters' breasts jiggle and rare to see male characters' penises do the same.
People who don't make games shouldn't be telling the people who make games how to make games, no matter the intent.
If she wants to see a difference, she should get her hands dirty and make the difference herself, lead by example.
I've always respected Sarkeesian, and I've always avoided Gamergate discussions, but I've always been confused about one thing that maybe GAF can clear up now that we have some specific directives from her.
Is she asking for these guidelines to be applied to all video games? What if I want to play as a big-butt lingerie-wearing white girl?
I appreciate that many, many video games sexualize women in this way, but I don't know if I can get behind an idea to water down every single game going forward.
and yeah, RIP Bayo lol
Reasonable indeed.
Surprised she didn't include "less boobs physics exaggeration" or is that included in animate female character to move the way normal women?
This is one is funny to me. Countless times when I'm watching a movie or playing a game I know that if someone just passes by and listen to what is going on they are going to think I'm watching porn.
Are you fucking serious? So no more game reviews, no movie critics, nothing? That's a... peculiar way of looking at things.
"She's done this through a series of online videos for her non-profit, Feminist Frequency, and in lectures at conferences and even at some game studios."
Didn't she take half of the KS funds as salary and release only 2 episodes in 2014? What is the concept of profit being rejected here? Is this official or Stephen Totilo's input? Genuine question, I had no idea this was considered "non-profit".
"Don't make the enemies or villains hyper-sexualized," she said, "because again it creates a scenario in which violence against women is gendered and infused with elements of titillation. Violence against female characters should never be sexy."
I'm sorry, but if I'm a character designer and I'm paid for my views and my perspective I draw what I want within reason.
R.I.P. Bayonetta
Pretty decent list, but I don't see the big deal with this one. There is nothing wrong with making characters look attractive - especially in fantasy universes.
Does the Kickstarter have sexy male genies or am I remembering wrong?
So.
Fucking.
What.
Are people so insecure that a woman is petitioning for change that they are put off by her tone sounding demanding?
GAMERS criticizing a woman for being DEMANDING?
The same audience of people who demanded a new ending to the Mass Effect Trilogy because they didn't like it?
So what if she's demanding? People who campaign in progress always demand it. They don't make "suggestions."
Record female character voiceover so that pain sounds painful, not orgasmic
some interesting points, completely agreed with the female voice over work becoming annoying as hell. tomb raider might be the worst offender, "im having an orgasm! /jk i just got stabbed in the stomach"
Avoid the Smurfette principle (don't have just one female character in an ensemble cast, let alone one whose personality is more or less "girl" or "woman.")
"Lingerie is not armor" (Dress female characters as something other than sex objects.)
Have female characters of various body types
Don't over-emphasize female characters' rear ends, not any more than you would the average male character's.
Include more female characters of color.
Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.
Record female character voiceover so that pain sounds painful, not orgasmic
Include female enemies, but don't sexualize those enemies
People who don't make games shouldn't be telling the people who make games how to make games, no matter the intent.
If she wants to see a difference, she should get her hands dirty and make the difference herself, lead by example.
Come on, the bosses in MGS4 are cringe worthy, to me it adds to the charm of how weird MGS is.Only 5, in 4 the main female bosses are in very heavily armoured suits, the frog unit has a ton of tactical equipment and Meryl is dressed exactly as a soldier should be.
I think that is my point. Fan service is ok, just make sexy guys. Which is why Smash is great. Too bad Chrom did not make it, could have another swimsuit character.Her 8 points are reasonable, but I do take issue with how absolute she is in some of the things she says. I think it's fine to sometimes have a character that plays up their sexuality or gender. Sometimes, it works.
I've always respected Sarkeesian, and I've always avoided Gamergate discussions, but I've always been confused about one thing that maybe GAF can clear up now that we have some specific directives from her.
Is she asking for these guidelines to be applied to all video games? What if I want to play as a big-butt lingerie-wearing white girl?
I appreciate that many, many video games sexualize women in this way, but I don't know if I can get behind an idea to water down every single game going forward. Sometimes eye candy can be fun, and that applies to more than just human bodies. It can also mean flashy colors, complex particle effects, etc.
and yeah, RIP Bayo lol
Remember the Tomb Raider reboot E3 demo?Just curious about this, as I don't any of the voice actresses in mainstream titles doing that at all. I'm assuming she has done work about this one.
As for the list itself, everything seems reasonable although the male power fantasy very much exists in triple A video games (the Rambo shirtless armor is pretty ridiculous on men as well, of course nothing as extreme as the Soul Calibur DLC armor that was just revealed).
So.
Fucking.
What.
Are people so insecure that a woman is petitioning for change that they are put off by her tone sounding demanding?
GAMERS criticizing a woman for being DEMANDING?
The same audience of people who demanded a new ending to the Mass Effect Trilogy because they didn't like it?
So what if she's demanding? People who campaign for progress always demand it. They don't make "suggestions."
People who don't make games shouldn't be telling the people who make games how to make games, no matter the intent.
If she wants to see a difference, she should get her hands dirty and make the difference herself, lead by example.
Only 5, in 4 the main female bosses are in very heavily armoured suits, the frog unit has a ton of tactical equipment and Meryl is dressed exactly as a soldier should be.]
I've always respected Sarkeesian, and I've always avoided Gamergate discussions, but I've always been confused about one thing that maybe GAF can clear up now that we have some specific directives from her.
Is she asking for these guidelines to be applied to all video games? What if I want to play as a big-butt lingerie-wearing white girl?
I appreciate that many, many video games sexualize women in this way, but I don't know if I can get behind an idea to water down every single game going forward. Sometimes eye candy can be fun, and that applies to more than just human bodies. It can also mean flashy colors, complex particle effects, etc.
and yeah, RIP Bayo lol
For everyone that wants to skip through Totilo's labyrinthine ramblings, here's the list.
- Avoid the Smurfette principle (don't have just one female character in an ensemble cast, let alone one whose personality is more or less "girl" or "woman.")
- "Lingerie is not armor" (Dress female characters as something other than sex objects.)
- Have female characters of various body types
- Don't over-emphasize female characters' rear ends, not any more than you would the average male character's.
- Include more female characters of color.
- Animate female characters to move the way normal women, soldiers or athletes would move.
- Record female character voiceover so that pain sounds painful, not orgasmic
- Include female enemies, but don't sexualize those enemies
Could basically turn this list into a sort of metric. There are some ambiguities that might make that challenging though. Number 8's "Don't sexualize those enemies" is excessive to her point. Otherwise I like this as a way of saying: what's important is diversity and fairness.
She isn't acting like a reviewer or critic. She's acting like an expert in her field educating and putting forward ideas and concepts to advance the medium socially. I mean that's pretty great intent and I fully support it, except she isn't an expert in her field. She doesn't even stand in the field. She's a spectator and nothing more. She's as qualified as a regular forum user.
"Don't over-emphasize female characters' rear ends, not any more than you would the average male character's."
Can someone help me understand this one? I cant click into the article right now, so i dont know if it says more. Is it referring like literal camera emphasis on the rear end, or like how sometimes the actual character design has a bigger rear end?
The point right before that is have various body types, if its that second point, dont those two kind of contradict each other
Anyone else feel like the Order was a step in the right direction dor portraying female characters in this regard ?
I respect her right to say whatever she wants, and I hate how gamers have attacked her. i even agree with her on some things That said, her list comes across as a bit extreme. Instead of suggestions she comes across as giving demands.
Come on, the bosses in MGS4 are cringe worthy, to me it adds to the charm of how weird MGS is.
Calm down dude. I'm looking this as artistic freedom issue.
Are women overly sexualized in games? Yes
Should we have more women in games? Absolutely
Does Anita have valid points? Yes
Should she be free to say what she want? Not even a question
I just have a problem with that quote. To me that's like someone demanding that a musician not sing about a subject, whatever it is. Try to divorce your self from the subject and see the overall idea of making demands of artists.
That's all I'm saying.
Only 5, in 4 the main female bosses are in very heavily armoured suits, the frog unit has a ton of tactical equipment and Meryl is dressed exactly as a soldier should be.