Napoleonthechimp
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Marvels Secret Wars by Hickman & Ribic |OT| Everything ends... Everything begins
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AyaisMUsikWhore
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So I want to start this really bad but I'm a huge sucker for starting from the beginning. I don't want to read SW#1 yet because of this reason, though I have it. So my question is, how can I start all the way from the beginning? Is starting from Hickman Avengers and New Avengers the best way to go and then come all the way down to SW?
Manmademan
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They did no such thing.
You might want to read the comic.
It's literally the plot.
echoshifting
Banned
If you *really* want to start from the very beginning you need Hickman's Fantastic Four/FF run in there too, as Reed and Doom are central characters to the story and Hickman has been writing them in some form for quite awhile now. That said, I think you are probably fine to just read Avengers/New Avengers. But when I do my own full re-read, it will include all of the FF stuff, too.
BrightLightLava
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That's a pretty good "beginning", but you could also argue for his (still unfinished) run on SHIELD, or Fantastic Four or Ultimate Comics Ultimates.
Avengers and New Avengers are the most related, but the other stuff is all really good and has some thematic ties with the Secret Wars.
BrightLightLava
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Ultimate Aunt May makes 616 Aunt May look like an old chump.
Edit: Double post. Sorry.
Manmademan
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You might want to read the thread. I literally already have, and no, they didn't.
PhoncipleBone
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I only just read his Fantastic Four/FF run the other month, and damn was it fun. It is funny how we were scouring that run for clues as to how things would turn out, and thus far most of the theories haven't panned out. But, we still have the rest of Secret Wars to figure that out.
If you want to start with all of Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers comixology is having a Secret Wars is Coming sale right now.
If you just want to read the last arc before SW, Time Runs Out, the OP has the links and reading order of those issues.
Yeah, that's the right choice, Secret Wars is going to be pretty confusing if you haven't at the very least read Time Runs Out, let alone the rest of Hickman's Avengers and New Avengers. If you want an even fuller picture before starting Secret Wars then you should read Hickman's Fantistic Four and FF runs as well, they hint a lot at what's to come and are absolutely amazing runs regardless.
So two worlds colliding and spilling into each other doesn't count as merging to you? Like, seriously?
no, its heat death for both. the worlds havent been merged by that.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
And their respective universes collapsing and ceasing to exist while the ark floats in the nothingness that followed? That isn't a merging. Not yet.
I have no doubt the end result will be some odd mix of the two, but it will probably be a whole new universe populated with characters from both sides. So technically a merge, but technically a new universe as well.
How things change:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&old=1&id=5585
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&old=1&id=5585
Decent first issue though loved the art
Oh man, I love Ultimate Aunt May. That's the version of the character I need on screen, since Rosemary Harris already nailed the 616 version (since she's the best).
Manmademan
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No, there's a fun thing called a crossover, which is what happened here for a few pages before both ultimate and 616 were obliterated and no longer exist.
This is the exact opposite of a "merge".
The remnants of both will be rolled into battleworld, along with the scraps of the rest of the multiverse. After that? Who knows.
Pilgrimzero
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What issues are Hickman's Fantastic 4 runs?
shadyspace
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Just joking about certain posters who treat the comics as if they should not be considered beyond as potential bellwethers for the movies.
As for the issue itself, I like that we still have no idea how Battleworld is going to come into play.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yeah that seemed pretty clear.
Miles Morales will be on the Avengers with Kamala Khan, Sam Alexander, the female Thor, Sam Wilson's Captain America, and Iron Man (ID possibly not Tony Stark).
(The FCBD Avengers book is set after Secret Wars.)
PhoncipleBone
Banned
All hope lies with Doom.
So how long before
Cyclops considers himself the chosen one? I know Reed was on a tight schedule and bringing (or considering) in several guys like Beast (thanks for bringing in the young X-Men) and Iron Man (In his current state not the best addition), but Scott Summers? Terrible idea.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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You guys are quick <3!
Thanks much. I definitely want the full understanding on this entire event since this is kind of bigger than all the other ones, but I want to get it completely right. So with that being said, I will start with Hickman's FF. Which issue should I start with?
F4 vol 1 #570-574
F4 vol 2 #575-578
F4 vol 3 #579-582
F4 vol 4 #583-588
FF vol 1 #1-5
FF vol 2 #6-11
F4 vol 5 #600-604
FF vol 3 #12-16 (events take place during F4 vol 5)
FF vol 4 #17-23
F4 vol 6 #605.1, 605-611
KenzinFive
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There's a throwaway line in the FCBD issue where one of the Avengers mentions
that they don't have Tony Stark's money backing them up anymore. I assume that means someone else is Iron Man. Rhodey is too obvious a choice, so I'm wondering who it is.
Also, if all of the universes except for 616 and Ultimate were gone...how does that explain Spider-Gwen and her alternate universe? Lol what am I doing trying to rationalize this
Manmademan
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And a handful of AOA characters were running around in 616 after age of apocalypse. Some for quite some time...dark beast was just killed off after about 20 years there.
There's a big difference between merging and blending two distinct continuities into something new, and just crossing over a couple of popular characters.
We don't know much of anything about post sw marvel, so until the event is over its too soon to be making grand proclamations about what happened with ultimate.
Manmademan
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Simple enough, spider Gwen happens after spider verse but before secret wars. She's clearly in the marvel universe, spider verse makes it glaringly obvious.
There will probably be some kind of continuity jump in a few issues or so.
darkhunger
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She's going to be in the Spider-Verse Secret Wars book. Her ongoing is either on break as of July or "more than just a break" as per Nick Lowe, the editor (i.e. canceled and relaunched as part of the main Marvel Universe after Secret Wars?)
BenjaminBirdie
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Holy shit, I just realized.
tony and cap weren't in this for even a panel
Are they dead? Cap was meant to go on the raft, right? Are we to assume that Manifold got other people on the raft who we just haven't seen yet?
The Silver
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Cap's salty ass decided to fight Tony and they both got killed when Fury launched the first volley
Manmademan
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It's weird that I forgot all about that
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Lol guys I remember where they were in Avengers thanks
paolo11
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Hmm.. forgive me but I don't get it. I'm kinda new to Marvel comics.
Watch the ALAD Avengers get put against Peter Parker, Carol Danvers, Richard Rider, OG Thor, Steve Rogers, & Tony Stark.
Now that I think out it, that would be a badass Avengers team.
Now that I think out it, that would be a badass Avengers team.
Yeah, this stuff is canon. But the Marvel Multiverse just collapsed. What's left is supposed to make up the new Battleworld, which we will see in Secret Wars #2.
Vermillion
Banned
Beat me by a second.
Vermillion
Banned
Lol, damn.
Vermillion
Banned
The Ultimate Universe sucks and Superior Spider-Man is inferior to Peter Parker. Wait, I understand everything... you love it when heroes are replaced by douchey counterparts, doncha?
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Deleted member 13876
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As for Spider-Gwen, I don't think the book is set post-Secret Wars, neither do I think the multiverse will be gone. it's gone now, but I think after Secret Wars I think we'll have more stories set on other worlds if a Secret Wars tie-in book does well enough. Marvel 1872, 2099 and Renew Your Vows may very well keep on trucking after the event for instance in restored versions of that world.
I also agree we don't know anything about what happens to Ultimate yet.
I also agree we don't know anything about what happens to Ultimate yet.
Universe merger? Maybe after this, but it's certainly not what happened in this issue. Maybe we'll have a death Ultimate U and some stowaways like Miles and Reed instead. Not knowing what will happen so long in advance for once is one of the best things of this event. Kinda wish they didn't do Rage of Ultron and that FCBD Avengers book yet though.
Palette Swap
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It's the first two every week because they didn't want to have a huge wait between issues 1 and 2, as issue 1 is more of a conclusion to Avengers than the proper start of Secret Wars.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
It's the more or less the same for issues 3 and 4 though
Coriolanus
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What? Who killed Best McCoy? Which ish?
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Deleted member 13876
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Bendis. Mid Uncanny X-Men.
Coriolanus
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Quickly getting to the point where someone could tell me that a bendis ish revealed Essex was the time-displaced son of Cable and Jean Grey and i wouldn't bat an eye.
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