Nice and all, but the EU has to fix other more glaring issues that caused the distrust in the EU within the EU itself before it can do any of that.
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Merkel warns US, Britain no longer reliable partners
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Nice and all, but the EU has to fix other more glaring issues that caused the distrust in the EU within the EU itself before it can do any of that.
Nothing says "coasting on US coattails" like being repeatedly suicide-bombed as a result of US foreign policy.
Locke Lamora
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Oops, just read an article on Spiegel.de this morning about the upcoming EU-China-Summit, that the EU could break with the US and instead could cooperate with China in the near future. Doesn't sound too unrealistic now.
funkystudent
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The problem is much bigger then Trump.
Republicans have become so radicalized that I get from a international perspective it must be hard to deal with America when half the time the US government is still trying to pretend its the 1950's
Is Germany a reliable ally?
Germany is deeply conflicted about its importance in the world today so yeah, not surprising.
Muffin1611
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"The whole thing is a mess" sure sounded like it. If you meant the debt crisis by that, yeah, I guess that's an apt description. Sounded like you were referring to the EU as a whole there. My apologies.
CrocMother
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This is a poll that shows that in some countries, EU support was up marginally a few months after Brexit.
This does not support your claim that "EU approval ratings are at their highest ever", which is downright false.
Germany is basically leader of the western world right now, but the shadow of WW2 is still forcing them to act super cautiously.
Huh???
Nah I was on about the thread title. The US has some crazy dude in charge, we have May who thinks she is Thatcher 2.0 but is fucking awful. I just hope there aren't more countries that get brainwashed into thinking leaving the EU is a good thing.
Bruce Springsteen
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The less information that is shared between countries the greater it is for terrorist organizations, this is quite terrible news if she's really pushing this
Muffin1611
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Ah, that's what you meant. Then I read that completely wrong. Mess is even an understatement in that case
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I hope the EU eventually becomes one big ass nation. That would be fun.
Doesn't have to do with free candy, it has to do with having a childish psychopath in office
Schattenjäger
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Is that so? What are you basing that on?
Corbyn has some decent ideas, his europe policy is the same disaster as May though.
Let's see what the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman thinks about Trumps trip:
https://twitter.com/SenBobCorker/status/868833347254067201
hydrophilic attack
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thehypocrite
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That's​ the right move in order to keep pushing the world forward.
GoldenEye 007
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Unfortunately at least the US has shown it can't responsibly handle the information. A stark change from January 19th. Any freezing out of info is 100% the fault of the current US administration. Nobody else.
It doesn't seem the UK is quite at the level of being frozen out on terrorism issues, though.
Muffin1611
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Schattenjäger;238351755 said:
I dunno, we're 4 months in and Trump is being vague about article 5 and stalls progress in climate policy
Which leads to reactions like this from Merkel
All the while playing buddies with Saudi Arabia who is largely responsible for spreading Wahabism
Here's something i whipped up
I'm pretty sure she said that both the US and Britain aren't reliable partners.
US taxpayers were paying Germany to be part of NATO or something, but now that Trump is going nope on that it's time to abandon US.
#TrumpLogic
Gordon Shumway
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Thanks, Obama..
Muffin1611
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After the 2% NATO thread I can't even laugh at this anymore.
It is understandable if those terrorist organizations are a result of American interventionalism
I'm also pretty sure that she doesn't mean with this we should break of relations completely, intelligence sharing will probably not change that much
Unless Trump decides to leak more to the Russians of course
Whoops only read title.
Yep, that's what she said. And she was being applauded by the audience for that statement. The sentiment of the European citizens is clear on that issue. I also lost a lot of respect for the US during the last months. And with Trump, everything can and will get worse.
Yeah title is a lil confusing. I thought the same at first.
Bruce Springsteen
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US media reporting confidential information on the Manchester terrorist attack doesn't help either
no one does progressive global liberalism like China.
Dead Prince
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somehow this will be a net positive in trumps speech on how no one wants to side with him.
Muffin1611
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Yeah, even if the EU gets more independent from the US, China taking it's place is really not something that will/should happen
sturgboski
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Corbyn has some decent ideas, his europe policy is the same disaster as May though.
Let's see what the Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman thinks about Trumps trip:
https://twitter.com/SenBobCorker/status/868833347254067201
Yep every single GOP member, voter, or supporter that was on the news shows all basically downplayed any of the recent Russia stories, especially the Kushner thing, saying "oh lots of campaigns do this, lets not jump to conclusions, etc" while then going "what we really should be talking about is how amazing Trump is and how successful this whole trip was." Really, the GOP is the fucking worst.
Yeah that free candy of being dragged into a bullshit war that destabilized an entire region, the free candy of having more terrorist attacks which comes in no small part due to the destabilization of the region (not that terrorist attacks themselves are new), the free candy of getting a financial crisis in no small part caused by a severe lack of financial regulations in the US because the power of the free market fuck yeah (the EU had roughly 4 trillion more GDP than the USA before the crisis), the free candy of having to take a bunch of refugees due to previously mentioned things, the free candy of giving between zero and none shits about global warming, good thing trump came along or we might just all get diabetic from all this free candy the US was handing us out.
I mean don't take this the wrong way, not saying the partnership with the USA isn't beneficial, it was in the past and is going to continue to be in the future, because really the relationship we have with the USA is really not going to happen with someone like China, but the idea the USA was handing out free candy is hilarious.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
I think it's because of a difference of opinion on immigration, climate change, trade etc and not NATO.
Loved your post. Yup, the EU has suffered a lot because of the US's stupidity.
Royal_Phalanx
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Danke Mutti.
hydrophilic attack
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such as
Dusk Golem
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It's frustrating me so much, there's so many who know what's going on but can't seem to do anything to contest it. How the fuck do you even go about contesting this? Politics and blinded people playing right into terrorists hands.
LizardKing
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So this is Europe's UExit? Merkel is being dumb here and it's dangerous talk. To think that Europe can't be as close with staunch and like minded allies in the US and Britain is giving the rest of the world who continuously has worked against US, Britain and the EU's interests exactly what they want.
And then some go a step further and think they should snuggle up to China? Yeah because the EU and China are more compatible and have much more the same interests in play now that US/Britain voted for Trump/Brexit? They are the worst human rights violator of the major countries today. They are literally an authoritarian regime. And because there has been an up-swelling in the west of shades of authoritarianism they want everyone to divide? Even when this sentiment has also spread to Europe, just not into the majorities yet. Ridiculous.
And then some go a step further and think they should snuggle up to China? Yeah because the EU and China are more compatible and have much more the same interests in play now that US/Britain voted for Trump/Brexit? They are the worst human rights violator of the major countries today. They are literally an authoritarian regime. And because there has been an up-swelling in the west of shades of authoritarianism they want everyone to divide? Even when this sentiment has also spread to Europe, just not into the majorities yet. Ridiculous.
Mass Effect
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Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
The right has reached a level of toxicity so high I honestly don't know what can be done about it. How can you work with people that literally will watch the world burn if it means "destroying the big bad goverment?"
She isn't the the one doing this. This is just as a consequence of the actions and statements by GB and the US.
GoldenEye 007
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Those media leaks take UK or US forces on the ground provding that to them ultimately. Also Trump leaking information to the Russians about other allies is even more damaging.
So yeah, this is on Trump and the administration in the US first. Again, a stark contrast to attitudes from January 19th.
Sweeney Tom
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Nothing more that can really be said. It happened far too easily, if anything.
Muffin1611
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The EU didn't start this, it was the US and the UK
Getting more independent as consequence is pretty reasonable imo
And I really doubt that China will take the role of the US anytime soon.
LizardKing
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If she's not trying to hold it together and instead is entertaining thoughts of division then yes she is part of the problem. I don't care who "started it." She needs to be a voice of reason here and unite while others are foolishly trying to divide.
Of course while in the meantime hedging her bets and working behind the scenes to make sure the EU will be able to be strong either way. But this is not the type of rhetoric that should be coming from her mouth, and should not be the first course of action even if the US/Britain "started it."
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