TekunoRobby
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That's what I hate about E3, so much amazing stuff to see and only three days to do it in.firefoxsux said:realtime geometry deformation 60fps.
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MotorStorm @ E3 Playable!!!
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Rhazer Fusion
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Wow, I must of missed Sega Rally. That looks great.
Systems_id said:
Couldn't agree more. A Twisted Metal Black sequel on PS3 with crazy physics, damage, and particles would be amazing. Jaffe, are you reading this? We need a TM Black sequel. Darker than ever too, that made Black a classic.
Just thinking of the level destruction that a PS3 Twisted Metal could have will make me plop down $600 with ease for the system.
MotorStorm looks awesome imo, and with 6 months left to improve I'm pretty pumped for it. Only complaint I have, is to make the game a lot faster. More speed with those physics would be nuts.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Couple more gifs:
First, the rump shakin ATVer
PWN3D!!!
:lol :lol :lol
First, the rump shakin ATVer
PWN3D!!!
:lol :lol :lol
PjotrStroganov
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SolidSnakex said:
Don't worry. Wheel support has always been awesome for as well 3rd as 1st party games.
Paralax mapping shouldn't be that bad if the underlying geometry is synced up with it. It does however, feel that it should be implemented more extremely. Especially when 20 vehicles have driven over a certain spot for three laps, I'd like to see some serious deformation going on. Think things like 2 ft deep trenches forming after 5 laps. Theoretically this still could be done when doing the paralax combo thingy.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Hopefully theres wheel support
As far as the Paralax Mapping. As has already been stated, if its just Paralax Mapping, then there must be something else going on since the cars tires and suspension actually react (or seem too at least) to the treading on the road by having each tire fall into the treading if it passes over one.
That would have to be Geometry Deformation since you've got the base track level like this
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But when a car moves over a part of a track and leaves its mark, it creates an imprint
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The base level Geometry of the track was pushed down by the cars tires. In the end thoug, Geoemetry Deformation or not, if the cars react to the tracks on the ground as they seem too (and promised too) then i'll be happy.
As far as the Paralax Mapping. As has already been stated, if its just Paralax Mapping, then there must be something else going on since the cars tires and suspension actually react (or seem too at least) to the treading on the road by having each tire fall into the treading if it passes over one.
That would have to be Geometry Deformation since you've got the base track level like this
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But when a car moves over a part of a track and leaves its mark, it creates an imprint
---___---
The base level Geometry of the track was pushed down by the cars tires. In the end thoug, Geoemetry Deformation or not, if the cars react to the tracks on the ground as they seem too (and promised too) then i'll be happy.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Udde said:
Thats what i'm wondering. If it is, then holy shit
Parallaxmappington! No seriously, regardless of your renderer you would represent the terrain deformation with a large array of numbers that indicate an offset from the base surface. The physics engine would use that representation for the dynamics, and the renderer would use the exact same data to draw a believable graphic representation of this terrain. Parallax mapping is probably way more efficient than some sort of polygon tesselation at the detail level the devs are reaching for.
tsp_gatmog
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Man, this seems like it'll be the ATV of first gen PS3 software, as far as physics goes. I remember i'd just crash my ATV to watch the guy go flying in races.
But, I do think that no one's ever gonna wanna play the guy on the bike :lol
But, I do think that no one's ever gonna wanna play the guy on the bike :lol
KyanMehwulfe
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Aye even little things like that were fun to see how the physics would react. I can remember just idling or driving really slowly and rocking it around to see the shocks react or pulling wheelies and then leaning forward after hitting the breaks to rock between the two two-wheeling extremes.
SolidSnakex
Member
RaijinFY said:
They did show a real time version. Then again they're aiming for 2-8 player online compared to 16 in Motorstorm.
I've been catching up on this thread for the past 15 minutes, and I can't help but be a little confused by the mania some people seem to be showing this game.
Don't get me wrong, this game is enticing to me, and frankly it is the biggest reason i'd want to buy a PS3 at launch right now. I'm a racing fan at heart, and I especially love water/off road racing.
But even with that said, i'm still not seeing anything in these videso so far, that makes me so "holy shit". The E3 2005 trailer made me say "holy shit", but this real time stuff isn't doing that yet. The final product could do that, and I truly hope it does, but I just don't get the rabid excitement that i'm seeing in this thread.
Also, in case you're wondering, i'm not one of those people that keeps track of who wears what jackets around here. I generally have no idea when it comes to that stuff.
I really do hope that this game continues to improve though, because it is showing a lot of promise right now. I'm not a huge fan of the trucks in the game though. I just love the idea of different buggies, ATVs, and dirt bikes racing against one another. The trucks just look out of place to me. I also think the game definitely needs a bump in speed, and i'm concerned about the actual feel of the sliding and the powersliding. I just hope they get it right in the final product. At this point it doesn't appear that the actual racing engine has that wonderful feel to it, with the ability to powerslide around a corner, as you should be able to do in an off road racer.
I'm gonna get flamed for saying this, but I just hope to god this game doesn't turn out to be another "Buggy Heat". That was an early Dreamcast offroad racer, that looked great in screenshots, but the actual racing engine just killed the game. I still bought the damn thing hoping for the best, but in reality it's actual racing gameplay was just wrong.
In Motorstorm I was really hoping for that free roaming feel that the E3 2005 trailer seemed to be hinting at. I imagined these huge open ended tracks with multiple paths and options for getting to the finish line. I imagined open desert wasteland with various obstacles and pitfalls to avoid at high speeds. So far the actual game seems to be showing enclosed tracks with meh track designs. I just hope the final game has plenty of that wide open racing in a desert track. I also hope the game allows for skilled powerslides on the tighter tracks.
This game has so much potential, and I can say right now that it looks to be a solid game at this point already. I'm just so badly wanting it to meet all of it's glorious potential. If they really use the next 4 months well, it could be the racer of the year.
Don't get me wrong, this game is enticing to me, and frankly it is the biggest reason i'd want to buy a PS3 at launch right now. I'm a racing fan at heart, and I especially love water/off road racing.
But even with that said, i'm still not seeing anything in these videso so far, that makes me so "holy shit". The E3 2005 trailer made me say "holy shit", but this real time stuff isn't doing that yet. The final product could do that, and I truly hope it does, but I just don't get the rabid excitement that i'm seeing in this thread.
Also, in case you're wondering, i'm not one of those people that keeps track of who wears what jackets around here.
I generally have no idea when it comes to that stuff. I really do hope that this game continues to improve though, because it is showing a lot of promise right now. I'm not a huge fan of the trucks in the game though. I just love the idea of different buggies, ATVs, and dirt bikes racing against one another. The trucks just look out of place to me. I also think the game definitely needs a bump in speed, and i'm concerned about the actual feel of the sliding and the powersliding. I just hope they get it right in the final product. At this point it doesn't appear that the actual racing engine has that wonderful feel to it, with the ability to powerslide around a corner, as you should be able to do in an off road racer.
I'm gonna get flamed for saying this, but I just hope to god this game doesn't turn out to be another "Buggy Heat". That was an early Dreamcast offroad racer, that looked great in screenshots, but the actual racing engine just killed the game. I still bought the damn thing hoping for the best, but in reality it's actual racing gameplay was just wrong.
In Motorstorm I was really hoping for that free roaming feel that the E3 2005 trailer seemed to be hinting at. I imagined these huge open ended tracks with multiple paths and options for getting to the finish line. I imagined open desert wasteland with various obstacles and pitfalls to avoid at high speeds. So far the actual game seems to be showing enclosed tracks with meh track designs. I just hope the final game has plenty of that wide open racing in a desert track. I also hope the game allows for skilled powerslides on the tighter tracks.
This game has so much potential, and I can say right now that it looks to be a solid game at this point already. I'm just so badly wanting it to meet all of it's glorious potential. If they really use the next 4 months well, it could be the racer of the year.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
What you are not seeing is the fact people are seeing some wacky results from the physics simulation in MotorStorm and are laughing their asses off because it looks so fun...
That is what you don't "get"
That is what you don't "get"
Doom_Bringer
Banned
They need to improve the sense of speed and open up the tracks. I think these guys should be able to match the target render by the time the game is complete.
50% complete right now right?
50% complete right now right?
SolidSnakex
Member
Kleegamefan said:
Yah I think that's the point, it already looks very fun and they've still got alot to add. That demo only had 7 cars on track, the final will have 20 in single player and 16 in online. And they've got the destruction level to improve on the cars. Being able to race around with all those vehicles and the level of physics they've got is going to be amazing online.
I'm not sure about the speed, I think if they kept this level of speed after increasing the number of cars on track it won't be a issue. There was also a clear speed difference between the ATV/dirtbikes compared to the rest of the vehicles which could be a reason for that level of speed. There's got to be a balance which will make the race fair. People who play on bikes or ATV's (likely most of the people online) will have a speed advantage.
sol_bad said:
I'm confused as to what the difference is?
If it looks the same, and all of the physics is calculated as though it was true geometrical deformation ... who cares?
Regardless, I'm guessing there is some actual geometry change, with parallax maps used to make it look better ... but who knows.
GotchaForce
Member
If the opening part, where it's sweeping though the valley and you see the cars gather and the folks watching the race...if that's real-time then I can see where the 600 dollar cover fee comes from.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Tiger said:I've been catching up on this thread for the past 15 minutes, and I can't help but be a little confused by the mania some people seem to be showing this game.
Don't get me wrong, this game is enticing to me, and frankly it is the biggest reason i'd want to buy a PS3 at launch right now. I'm a racing fan at heart, and I especially love water/off road racing.
But even with that said, i'm still not seeing anything in these videso so far, that makes me so "holy shit". The E3 2005 trailer made me say "holy shit", but this real time stuff isn't doing that yet. The final product could do that, and I truly hope it does, but I just don't get the rabid excitement that i'm seeing in this thread.
Also, in case you're wondering, i'm not one of those people that keeps track of who wears what jackets around here.
I really do hope that this game continues to improve though, because it is showing a lot of promise right now. I'm not a huge fan of the trucks in the game though. I just love the idea of different buggies, ATVs, and dirt bikes racing against one another. The trucks just look out of place to me. I also think the game definitely needs a bump in speed, and i'm concerned about the actual feel of the sliding and the powersliding. I just hope they get it right in the final product. At this point it doesn't appear that the actual racing engine has that wonderful feel to it, with the ability to powerslide around a corner, as you should be able to do in an off road racer.
I'm gonna get flamed for saying this, but I just hope to god this game doesn't turn out to be another "Buggy Heat". That was an early Dreamcast offroad racer, that looked great in screenshots, but the actual racing engine just killed the game. I still bought the damn thing hoping for the best, but in reality it's actual racing gameplay was just wrong.
In Motorstorm I was really hoping for that free roaming feel that the E3 2005 trailer seemed to be hinting at. I imagined these huge open ended tracks with multiple paths and options for getting to the finish line. I imagined open desert wasteland with various obstacles and pitfalls to avoid at high speeds. So far the actual game seems to be showing enclosed tracks with meh track designs. I just hope the final game has plenty of that wide open racing in a desert track. I also hope the game allows for skilled powerslides on the tighter tracks.
This game has so much potential, and I can say right now that it looks to be a solid game at this point already. I'm just so badly wanting it to meet all of it's glorious potential. If they really use the next 4 months well, it could be the racer of the year.
who gives a fuck. Nobody has to explain to you why they are excited over a game. "GUYS I GIVE IT A HOLY CRAP, BUT NOT A HOLY SHIT. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?"
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Ninja Scooter said:
:lol so true...
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
It may be me but I think the positive reactions are not so much because of the graphics(which look good but not OMGWTF fantastic), but.....because it just looks damn fun to play and the people who actually played MS back up this opinion....as someone else said in the thread, I not looking to win races, I'm gonna fuck some bitches up :lol
You gotta admit, seeing some of those ATVs and Bikes getting pwned never gets old....just thinking about the bedlam I will be unleashing online on all you bitches puts a smile on my face
You gotta admit, seeing some of those ATVs and Bikes getting pwned never gets old....just thinking about the bedlam I will be unleashing online on all you bitches puts a smile on my face
EnvoyDenali
Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
Umm.. Not sure why such a weird, defensive reaction... its a thread about a game, and he gave his opinion and chatted with others that were already talking about the game....
Get upset if someone doesnt post a line about how awesome the "physics" are and then bows out?
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
EnvoyDenali said:
All those who are "upset" about his opinion raise their hands... *crickets*
Some will like this game, some wont, no biggies....I took Ninja Scooters response as a typical NeoGAF humorous response...he was saying he didnt understand the "holy shit" response and then proceeded to talk about graphics and old dreamcast games....never mind people are mostly responding to gifs about bikes getting owned.....
Its a funny joke about a funny response over a fun looking game......have fun, you'll live longer
Spectral Glider
Member
Tiger said:
Well, I wasn't much of a fan of Smuggler's Run, and that's more along the lines of what your describing. Then again, for all we know, this may also have way point races like the ATV Offroad Fury series, which is also a little bit like what your describing. And actually, I don't mind those kind of races from time to time. Me? After last year's E3 I was getting the impression that MotorStorm had insane physics mixed with much more interactive environments than what we're generally used to, be they on enclosed circuits or not. Oh, and finally having more than 6 freaking contestants during a race. Given what was shown back then, I don't see how you can really get any kind of feeling for the types of tracks as we weren't shown nearly enough.
SolidSnakex
Member
Sugarman said:
It looks really nice whatever it is
pinkatrophe
Member
EnvoyDenali said:
Because sometimes people forget that other people have opinions that are different from their own and regardless of how one justifies why they like something, it'll still have no bearing on an individual's own experience.
No one needs to explain why they find some games fun and sometimes it's not even possible to.
blindrocket
Member
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/5/14/3956
So did Sony put that sticker on there for the game or is that for just the TV it was playing on?
So did Sony put that sticker on there for the game or is that for just the TV it was playing on?
Zombie James
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blindrocket said:
The TV, obviously.
GreggTheGrimReaper
Member
i might be wrong but from the pictures and videos it looked like they were using the new bravia X-series on their booth - and these are 1080P LCDs.
blindrocket
Member
But is that sticker on the retail model of the TV? That would really explain the misunderstanding Ars Technica is having.
travisbickle
Member
More love for Motor Storm, this one has a bonnet-view camera. Anyone that doesn't feel bad when the guy gets run over isn't human.
motorstorm gameplay
motorstorm gameplay
dynamitejim
Member
travisbickle said:
Damn that looks like a lot of fun. That camera is way better than the 3rd person view. Looks way more hectic. The vehicles themselves also move very distinctly, like they have their own personality.