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[cjkeats]

Haha, such an admirable hope for the series!

This sounds deeply entertaining.

Left to my own devices, I could come up with plots that would out "light novel" every light novel author in Japan.

 

[jediyoshi]

"Genetic deformities are the main reason. Your basically hardwired to not be attracted to your siblings as a result. A similar thing happens when you find yourself unable to fall for a close friend, as they are seen as a sibling to you. "

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me as there have been many examples incestuous couples throughout history, including royal families. Also many would argue that straight people are hardwired to be attracted to the opposite sex and that gay people are hardwired to like people of the same sex. Not everyone is wired the same.

The specific example of royal families throughout history being incestuous was more about keeping power within the family. Even in something like Game of Thrones, aside from the obvious case, more accounts of incest were due to not wanting to spread royalty out.

 

[rpmurphy]

Actually I agree that less exposure is a good thing. It meant less risk of her character being ruined by the trainwreck ending. :3c

Plus, the ending still leaves her room for

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an incest route

which makes it all the more suspenseful! Hehehehe…

 

[BGBW]

If you are going to make an argument for something, never use the royal family as a good example.

 

[Hellsing321]

"Genetic deformities are the main reason. Your basically hardwired to not be attracted to your siblings as a result. A similar thing happens when you find yourself unable to fall for a close friend, as they are seen as a sibling to you. "




This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me as there have been many examples incestuous couples throughout history, including royal families. Also many would argue that straight people are hardwired to be attracted to the opposite sex and that gay people are hardwired to like people of the same sex. Not everyone is wired the same.

Again Im not supporting incest as something we should encourage whatsoever, I just don't see why they shouldn't be able to get in on the whole freedom of marriage thing if they want to.

Just as a reference, as far as TV goes right now: Game of Thrones, The Borgias, Bates Motel, and to some extent Dexter all showcase incest as a theme and are being shown on American TV.

A full explanation is beyond the scope of this thread, but in short: Inbreeding results in increased homozygosity which increases the child's chances of being affected by recessive traits and genetic defects.

 

[Uncle Ulty]

A full explanation is beyond the scope of this thread, but in short: Inbreeding results in increased homozygosity which increases the child's chances of being affected by recessive traits and genetic defects.

Love and marriage isn't all about having kids though right? I mean homosexuals cannot scientifically even have children at all. I am fully aware of the genetic implications of family members having kids so you don't really need to explain it.

 

[mugwhump]

I liked the part where Manami punched Kirino

I don't plan to watch season 2, but man, I like that part a lot.

 

[rpmurphy]

Love and marriage isn't all about having kids though right? I mean homosexuals cannot scientifically even have children at all. I am fully aware of the genetic implications of family members having kids so you don't really need to explain it.

Well yeah, having a child is never a requirement for marriage anyway.

 

[I'm new be nice]

Again Im not supporting incest as something we should encourage whatsoever, I just don't see why they shouldn't be able to get in on the whole freedom of marriage thing if they want to.

This statement is kind of a oxymoron.

I didn't really want to get into this element of the discussion, but I suppose I can't help myself here...

As a gay man, I get where you are coming from when you draw comparisons between homosexuality and the attraction to family. It is a deterministic feeling that we "can't control", we can't decide to love the same sex, just as these two couldn't decide their love.

I get that perfectly well, but the line should end there, just as it does with pedopihila. The fact is there are significant detrimental problems with a incest born child, just as there are significant issues with a pedofilific relationship. Homosexuality is the same as incest only at the surface level of determinism, but incest, like all deterministic issues, needs control measures. Preventing marriage is one of those measures, just as society's ostracizing of incest is another control measure.

It would be in society's best interest to keep the status quo here. I seriously think you need to re-approach your perspective on this matter.

Love and marriage isn't all about having kids though right? I mean homosexuals cannot scientifically even have children at all. I am fully aware of the genetic implications of family members having kids so you don't really need to explain it.

You are right, it's not just about kids, but homosexual intercourse has no possibility for getting the other partner pregnant. What if the condom broke? What if a child was born? I personally feel that it is morally wrong to take the chance. It's certainly not fair to the child to put him at risk of the numerous deformities that can occur.

 

[Technosteve]

is there any more incest based animes?

 

[cjkeats]

is there any more incest based animes?

A few. Probably more than I'm aware of. Nothing this popular. Mostly everything establishes early on that they aren't related (cousins, adopted, aliens, etc), and the whole situation exists as an excuse for them to live together for the sake of setting up the comedy situations.

Then there's Yosuga no Sora.

I won't explain what's happening in this frame, because lol.

 

[Izayoi]

I won't explain what's happening in this frame, because lol.

You act like it's unusual to be walked in on while you're fucking your sister.

 

[rpmurphy]

You are right, it's not just about kids, but homosexual intercourse has no possibility for getting the other partner pregnant. What if the condom broke? What if a child was born? I personally feel that it is morally wrong to take the chance.

I always wonder then how people's views would change if say that the man gets a vasectomy, or the woman gets her tubes tied, or they use other effective birth control techniques? Or even let's suppose that in the future, technology improves to a degree such that early detection of genetic defects can be done, or even corrective treatment before birth.

 

[cjkeats]

You act like it's unusual to be walked in on while you're fucking your sister.

Party pooper.

 

[Hellix]

Please don't tell me you just

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compared incest to homosexuality.

This kind of shit is why I have to be embarrassed to tell people I like animu.

The ending made me furious. Like, legit angry. I'm still mad about it several days later.

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Part of what I found so enjoyable about the show was that it seemed to spend a lot of its time actively talking about how foolish it was to root for an incest end. Then... we get it! In the most absurd fashion imaginable, I may add. Not only does boring ass self insert harem lead turn down all the cool women to be with his sister... he does it so they can be together for a few months before graduation! Come on. And because they went this route, things that I found charming or amusing about the show are now pretty disgusting and I can't enjoy them anymore. I feel bad for ever defending the show. I feel angry that I watched 29 episodes only for them to take a shit left turn at the end and ruin the entire god damn thing for me. Terrible.

I was laughing my ass off for the same reasons that it made you angry.

 

[Trojita]

I love it.

 

[Izayoi]

Party pooper.

I think it's best they know what they're getting themselves into, you know?

 

[rpmurphy]

A few. Probably more than I'm aware of. Nothing this popular. Mostly everything establishes early on that they aren't related (cousins, adopted, aliens, etc), and the whole situation exists as an excuse for them to live together for the sake of setting up the comedy situations.

They've gotten a little less like that lately, haven't they? Such as with OniAi. And NakaImo. Although these ones still tend to revolve around the premise of the brother protagonist trying NOT to fuck his sister.

And oh, the sister-sister relationships seem to pop up everywhere now.

 

[cjkeats]

I think it's best they know what they're getting themselves into, you know?

The surprise is the best part!
The year I snooped around and found my christmas gifts early ruined christmas morning. It's also how I discovered there's no Santa.

 

[Lonely1]

Episode 14.

Well, that was... interesting(?).

Should I quit know and avoid being disappointed with the last two episodes?

 

[cjkeats]

They've gotten a little less like that lately, haven't they? Such as with OniAi. And NakaImo. Although these ones still tend to revolve around the premise of the brother protagonist trying NOT to fuck his sister.

And oh, the sister-sister relationships seem to pop up everywhere now.

I find that whole situation equally hilarious though, I really liked NakaImo for its non-sense plot like that. Or maybe it was just the infectious opening that got me hooked, but who knows?
OniAni was kinda dull, Akiko's voice was awesome though, her reaction sounds were great.

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They weren't related in that either, but she didn't know.

I don;t think it's as prevalent as some think, it's just in a few popular shows(this, SAO) and people jump on it as the new "plague killing anime". But I'm no expert so don't take my word for it, I just like dumb comedy.

and sister-sister you say? :O Can't say I've seen that outside of a few mangas and Yuru Yuri.

I can't say I'll ever complain, as long as they keep giving Ayana Taketatsu roles in them and she keeps getting to sing OPs/EDs and character songs.

Episode 14.

Well, that was... interesting(?).

Should I quit know and avoid being disappointed with the last two episodes?

It's 2 episodes, go big or go home.

 

[jediyoshi]

MOUNT UP
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-white-house-down-with-kirino-2

 

[cjkeats]

MOUNT UP
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-white-house-down-with-kirino-2

 

[Trojita]

MOUNT UP
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-white-house-down-with-kirino-2

The more accurate and NSFW
http://i.imgur.com/f9hTLiY.jpg

 

[Technosteve]

ok i secretly wanted this show to turn all harem, eh this show still delivers

 

[rpmurphy]

and sister-sister you say? :O Can't say I've seen that outside of a few mangas and Yuru Yuri.

This show wasn't bad last season: NSFW

 

[cjkeats]

This show wasn't bad last season: NSFW

Lewd.
...

 

[sonicmj1]

Not trying to be rude or support people to get behind incest as a principle, but really what is the difference? I really wonder if you could give a non-religious reason why anyone should support one over the other. As the previous poster said people love who they love and who are we to tell them otherwise.

I predict soon after gays are allowed to marry, someone will challenge why relatives can't get married either. I mean I could see a brother/sister couple make just as much of a case as a homosexual couple on why they should be able to marry or why they are being discriminated against.

Nobody's hard-wired to love their sibling. It's not a rights issue.

To borrow another post on this subject:

Firstly, it isn't in the least psychologically healthy to want to have a sexual relationship with a close family member who you've been socialised with as such. It's not something we should be even passively accepting of. Allowing it in a blasé manner because it is a supposed rights issue like homosexuality would be damaging to our interactions and the ways that we view other people in the same manner that, say, allowing consensual cannibalism would. Consequently, the vast majority of cases of incest in reality are non-consensual and involve essentially long-term rape.

It's not just a matter of reproduction: society has a valid interest in protecting familial relationships. Those trust bonds can be exploited to allow one party to take advantage of the other.

 

[Vibed]

Just as a general morality question, would gay incest be okay? Even if it is incredibly unlikely.

 

[cjkeats]

Just as a general morality question, would gay incest be okay? Even if it is incredibly unlikely.

This is no different and this entire conversation is silly. Lets not get this thing locked please, a tame Oreimo thread is a rare and wonderful occurrence.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Nobody's hard-wired to love their sibling. It's not a rights issue.

To borrow another post on this subject:



It's not just a matter of reproduction: society has a valid interest in protecting familial relationships. Those trust bonds can be exploited to allow one party to take advantage of the other.

What if it's a "separated at birth" thing? When the Westermarck Effect isn't in play, that seems to cut out a big issue.

 

[Uncle Ulty]

This is no different and this entire conversation is silly. Lets not get this thing locked please, a tame Oreimo thread is a rare and wonderful occurrence.

Lets please not get the thread locked out. Didn't mean to start a whole thing here. Ive personally never met or heard of anyone who was involved with incest rights, so its a silly thing to shut down a nice thread over.

 

[Lonely1]

So, we got a

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non ending

. I think It would have been better if

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Kirino's wishes were left to the interpretation of the audience

.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

What if it's a "separated at birth" thing? When the Westermarck Effect isn't in play, that seems to cut out a big issue.

That situation has come up before in anime/real life, and is understandable and can be used to good effect. Lament of the Lamb had that, in a way, with the siblings being separated for a long period of time prior to their meeting again.

 

[cjkeats]

Volume 3 cover. Kanako sucks.

 

[wonzo]

Given that this has been deemed the incest thread by Dresden, I figured I'd post this good Slate article on why "concentual" incestuous relationships are still pretty damaging, just not as damaging as the vast majority of incestual acts which tend to involve Child Abuse & Rape:

Incest Is Cancer by William Saletan

 

[Kincaido]

I love incest

 

[Esura]

I love incest

Who doesn't love incest? Its why people call it wincest.

 

[PorcellainThrill]

The anime industry is the most incestuous thing.
If you watch anime you support incest.


edit: I was waiting for an incest general.
Or I never knew that I needed one until we got one

 

[kiunchbb]

Oreimo Episode 14.

Mindblow....

#lifemistake overload. Only obama can save us.

 

[cjkeats]

This is cool, someone transcribed and translated Kuronekos Destiny Record.

Link

PS, Kuroneko fans:

 

[I'm new be nice]

I always wonder then how people's views would change if say that the man gets a vasectomy, or the woman gets her tubes tied, or they use other effective birth control techniques? Or even let's suppose that in the future, technology improves to a degree such that early detection of genetic defects can be done, or even corrective treatment before birth.

Then it would be cool, lol, I don't know, I honestly don't know how I feel about it all...

My initial reaction was to put up a wall and go with what most people say about this kind of thing, but maybe i'm just following the crowd and not actually listening to how I truly feel about it.

I loved this anime, so that must say something about my feelings towards it all...

 

[Trent Strong]

Crazy incest ending aside, they didn't need to turn the show into a harem anime and make all those girls like the brother. They could have focused on his relationship to the goth loli, the childhood friend and Kirino. They didn't need those other girls in the story at all. Almost all of season 2 was a huge disappointment, really. Which is a shame, because season 1 was so good.

 

[I'm new be nice]

Crazy incest ending aside, they didn't need to turn the show into a harem anime and make all those girls like the brother. They could have focused on his relationship to the goth loli, the childhood friend and Kirino. They didn't need those other girls in the story at all. Almost all of season 2 was a huge disappointment, really. Which is a shame, because season 1 was so good.

I can understand that sentiment, it didn't seem to really hamper my enjoyment out of it though. The author wanted to take it to this ridiculous extreme and that was his choice, I guess he just REALY REALLY wanted to show how much Kyousuke

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loved Kirinio

, because to him 2 other girls wasn't enough to get the point across haha

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

"Genetic deformities are the main reason. Your basically hardwired to not be attracted to your siblings as a result. A similar thing happens when you find yourself unable to fall for a close friend, as they are seen as a sibling to you. "




This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me as there have been many examples incestuous couples throughout history, including royal families. Also many would argue that straight people are hardwired to be attracted to the opposite sex and that gay people are hardwired to like people of the same sex. Not everyone is wired the same.

Again Im not supporting incest as something we should encourage whatsoever, I just don't see why they shouldn't be able to get in on the whole freedom of marriage thing if they want to.

Just as a reference, as far as TV goes right now: Game of Thrones, The Borgias, Bates Motel, and to some extent Dexter all showcase incest as a theme and are being shown on American TV.

Yeah but look how those turn out.
In GOT you have two pretty unlikable characters whose incest leads to one of the most hated characters on tv.
In Bates Motel its shown as part of what leads Norman to become a weirdo serial killer that has a complete second personality of his mom(who he dresses and talks to himself as).

 

[Trent Strong]

I can understand that sentiment, it didn't seem to really hamper my enjoyment out of it though. The author wanted to take it to this ridiculous extreme and that was his choice, I guess he just REALY REALLY wanted to show how much Kyousuke

Spoiler

loved Kirinio

, because to him 2 other girls wasn't enough to get the point across haha

Well, to be fair to Kyouske, Kirino is the best girl.

 

[Moral Panic]

Given that this has been deemed the incest thread by Dresden, I figured I'd post this good Slate article on why "concentual" incestuous relationships are still pretty damaging, just not as damaging as the vast majority of incestual acts which tend to involve Child Abuse & Rape:

Incest Is Cancer by William Saletan

Exactly. It's not about having kids - it's about the propensity for abuse, and making light of an abuse situation. It's the same reason why a "lolicon" pairing, or even "barely legal" paring would be reviled. The show can dress it up to make it look like everyone is making their own decision, but it is highly inappropriate because of the abuse that occurs in these relationships. The idea that having a romantic relationship with your sister is something to be desired is a highly damaging one, and is making light of an abusive relationship and showing it as normal and natural.

 

[I'm new be nice]

Well, to be fair to Kyouske, Kirino is the best girl.

Yup

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Actually I got over what Manami did in the light novels when she told Kyouske to be normal and I returned to my old feelings that he should have ended up with her.

 

[I'm new be nice]

Exactly. It's not about having kids - it's about the propensity for abuse, and making light of an abuse situation. It's the same reason why a "lolicon" pairing, or even "barely legal" paring would be reviled. The show can dress it up to make it look like everyone is making their own decision, but it is highly inappropriate because of the abuse that occurs in these relationships. The idea that having a romantic relationship with your sister is something to be desired is a highly damaging one, and is making light of an abusive relationship and showing it as normal and natural.

That's the beauty of media, you can safely explore these subjects without hurting anyone. Unless you subscribe to the idea that media in itself is harmful, which i've always likened to those people who believe video games make people more violent.

At the end of the day it's just a cartoon dude, no different than Dexter or whatever

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

This is cool, someone transcribed and translated Kuronekos Destiny Record.

Link

Be trapped in the world of an online game with senpai.
To die once, but be revived by power of love.

Concern 1: What to do if we meet in afterlife.
Concern 2: What if we are born as siblings in the afterlife.
Concern 3: What if we are born as same sex in the next world.
Concern 5: We get reincarnated as devil king and hero, and fight each other.

Best girl.