balladofwindfishes
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Maybe they're so desperate they're trying to get Manchin lol
Or more likely, Capito was actually a no
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Or more likely, Capito was actually a no
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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The silver lining is that the fools who voted for Trump because they thought his presence would cause "SJWs" to disappear forever ended up being dead wrong.
Aaron Strife
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Could see Capito being against it. She needlessly opened herself to attacks in her next reelection campaign (granted, she probably won't lose anyway) for a shitty bill, only for McCain to sink it. Now they pull this shit again in the eleventh hour with an even worse bill? I'd be pissed.
The fact that they keep trying to get Manchin shows that they really don't have 50. They might get it, but acting like this is a done deal is dumb.
How would they even have CBO time on this? They need to work around McCain at this point because even the irregular order of BCRA/Skinny Repeal is impossible, now they're going to have to go with the Cruz Plan for Fornicating the Parliamentarian.
G-C has just been desperate and sad from the beginning.
G-C has just been desperate and sad from the beginning.
Heard that Maine also "benefited" from the bill. They're still trying to go after Collins.
https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/912137736051658753
https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/912137736051658753
balladofwindfishes
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Good luck with that
These "deals" make no sense, since these senators get more out of voting no than voting yes, even with these "sweeteners"
BoogieWoogie
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I like how they remake the bill to get Collins and Murkowski and like 45 other senators are more than happy to eat shit, watching their states be decimated.
Andy Slavitt on this new bill's attempts to get the three senators who shot this down last time.
https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/912148801267408897
https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/912148801267408897
Fuck "Michigan Nice," I'd be calling those corupulent fucks ignorant to their faces.
Unfortunately, it seems like the other side of the table had problems countering conservative talking points. It isn't really about reforming insurance. It isn't really about "freedom of speech." Lord knows that guy in the striped shirt would have had convulsions if someone had mentioned "take a knee."
Brock Reiher
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Wouldn't getting Murkowski be enough? Would she care if it's an obvious bribe?
She shouldn't care either way because the bill leaves Alaska worse off in an absolute sense after 2026. Anything positive the bill could possibly do for Alaska has a clear expiration date on it.
Basileus777
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It's a bad bribe and probably not enough to get her. But she could be the 50th vote if they could also whip everyone not McCain and Collins, but even that doesn't look certain right now.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Wouldn't she be up for re-election in 2026?
Didn't some senator say he wasn't voting for this if certain states got better deals?
BoogieWoogie
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I mean Murkowski was also on record saying that it didn't matter how good Alaska was doing if the rest of the country was fucked. It would, by simple chain reaction, fuck over their state anyway.
NihonTiger90
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Yes.
They think she is incredibly stupid.
That's why they're even trying this tactic.
Basileus777
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Mike Lee I think. And Rand Paul has said similar things.
And no I don't think they will be the deciding votes, but them expressing these sentiments are signs that this bill is not close to 50. The same thing happened with the BRCA which did not get close to 50.
balladofwindfishes
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If it was all down to Murkowski, the bill wouldn't include more states than Alaska. They need more than they're letting on.
The bill is clearly not in as good of shape or as close to passing as they're pretending it is. They're getting desperate.
BoogieWoogie
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Horseshit. People like Cruz and Lee and Paul will all fold.
This all comes down to the same three from last time, Murkwoski, Collins, and McCain.
Basileus777
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They didn't fold on the BRCA. And this bill and the way it has been received resembles that more than the skinny repeal (which also failed).
Cesare Borgia
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Cruz now a no vote
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/911983177333444608
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/911983177333444608
Lord_Byron28
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The few things they agreed on was that the division in the country was going to get worse and Civil War was inevitable. That is disturbing.
Although at the end it seemed like the people in the focus groups tried to get to know each other better and meet up at later locations. That ending bit with Trump supporters saying they want to healthcare reformed, not taken away, was maddeningly stupid.
Good to know this is looking more and more likely to fail again.
Basileus777
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And people want to paint the narrative that this thing is close to 50? Hah.
BoogieWoogie
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Ok but they're not saying if he said some bullshit like "in its current form" or something.
E: This is from earlier in the day no less. He'll say the new bill makes the right changes for him and vote yes.
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thepotatoman
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It's written as a population density of 15 per square mile or less. I figured they wanted more than one state to get it past the uniformity clause and decided to cut it off right below the lowest density liberal state of New Mexico.
I don't know all the precedent for the uniformity clause, but conservatives very recently learned bullshit conditionals that effect exactly one thing won't fly through the supreme court with their attempt to ban planned parenthood.
In the old days they'd just use trusty ol paper clip and add a random bridge to nowhere into a bill about healthcare when they wanted to bribe someone, but that doesn't happen anymore after people started calling that stuff out.
EDIT: Oh, I missed that they changed it to include Maine. Don't know how it's defined now, but yes, they only did that because they need more senators on board.
Basileus777
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If he's announcing it now it's because he knows the new revisions aren't changing the fate of this dead bill.
Randolph Freelander
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That was from earlier in the day, before the changes, and I wouldn't have believed him then. And I certainly won't believe him now.
Brock Reiher
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Shoulda put in some soup and porn bribes for TX
Edit: Ahhhh 11am, they probably already put them in.
AntraxSuicide
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Y'all need to look up the BCRA vote. And calm the hell down
Is that the one that was only stopped by the vote of one GOP senator?
Republicans have tried to steal healthcare from the poor and working class so many times at this point that I'm lost!!!
Not that was the turd before it. Skinny repeal was what McCain killed. Weird that Pail voted for it. Its why I dont beleive any of the hardliners. They always fold in the end.
Basileus777
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No, that was the one that got 43 votes and most resembles the situation we are in now.
It's really sad and honestly makes me afraid of white people that any time trump says or does something racist his approvals go up.
Oh, so this is the toxic piece of shit that got 43 whole entire GOP senators to vote for it?
Thanks for clarifying! For a second there I was allowing myself to believe that the majority of the GOP in Congress is actively working to fuck over the middle class. Prew! Glad that got cleared up!
AntraxSuicide
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You do you, but I'm not gonna sit here playing the "oh God, we saw Mitch smiling in the hallway, they have the votes" game.
Healthcare is already an L for them. I wish Cruz would fuck him on tax reform but all Republicans salivate over that so much that's not happening.
Basileus777
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If you want to be disingenuous fine, but there's not much reason to believe there are 50 votes for this right now. And I'm not sure what actual point you are trying to make with this. That the GOP wants to fuck over the middle class? Oh wow, what a contentious idea! Next you'll tell me that Trump might not wholly be okay with racial equality.
When did the Nazis stop saying Sieg Heil?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
New VA Gov poll (Wason Center):
Northram--47
Gillespie--41
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/912255277965168641
Northram--47
Gillespie--41
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/912255277965168641
Spoiled Milk
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Is the fallout from failing to pass an Obamacare repeal worse, better, or about the same as a Bush's failed entitlements reform push?
nature boy
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smh
Frank the Great
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I'm scared to ask my conservative relatives, who constantly criticized Obama as "divisive," what they think of Trump constantly bashing groups on Twitter and supporting white supremacist rallies.
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