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PoliGAF Debate #3 Thread of Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plunger in your hand

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Gattsu25

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html
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William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.

During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.

Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time.

John McCain strongly supported the 1991 military action against Iraq, and as recently as Sunday described Saddam Hussein as a one-time menace to the region who had "stated categorically that he would acquire weapons of mass destruction, and he would use them wherever he could."

Timmons declined to comment for this story. An office manager who works for him said that he has made it his practice during his public career to never speak to the press. Timmons previously told investigators that he did not know that either Vincent or Park were acting as unregistered agents of Iraq. He also insisted that he did not fully understand just how closely the two men were tied to Saddam's regime while they collaborated.

But testimony and records made public during Park's criminal trial, as well as other information uncovered during a United Nations investigation, suggest just the opposite. Virtually everything Timmons did while working on the lobbying campaign was within days conveyed by Vincent to either one or both of Saddam Hussein's top aides, Tariq Aziz and Nizar Hamdoon. Vincent also testified that he almost always relayed input from the Iraqi aides back to Timmons.

Talking points that Timmons produced for the lobbyists to help ease the sanctions, for example, were reviewed ahead of time by Aziz, Vincent testified in court. Proposals that Timmons himself circulated to U.S. officials as part of the effort were written with the assistance of the Iraqi officials, and were also sent ahead of time with Timmons' approval to Aziz, other records show.

Moreover, there was a major financial incentive at play for Timmons. The multi-million dollar oil deal that he was pursuing with the two other lobbyists would only be possible if their efforts to ease sanctions against Iraq were successful.
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WedgeX

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Sooooo.....

Who is watching it on PBS?

...I will be, again!

I hope Mark Shields gets his act together for the after-commentary. The first two he was stupendously insightful, but the last debate he just fumbled through. David Brooks seemed more with it last time.
 
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The Librarian

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Shame on the following posters. Do you have anything better to do than to post in PoliGAF?
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So after the third debate, we will get a Interim thread then one final thread for election day?
 
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vas_a_morir

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terrene said:
McCain has promised to bring up Ayers tomorrow night.

So, I'm sure this shit will die right down.
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That music could make anything sound evil. I thought I was going to die watching this. I love the anti-scientology ytmnd that has that crazy scary music. It's so epic.
 
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Cloudy

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lawblob said:
HOLY SHIT at new CBS / NY TIMES Poll.

@_@ 53-39

H - O - P - I - U - M
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The image on their main page is awesome too :lol

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But with more than four out of five of each candidate’s supporters now saying their minds are made up, the poll suggests that McCain faces serious challenges as he looks to close the gap on his Democratic rival in the final three weeks of the campaign.
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:D
 
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sangreal

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Dax01 said:
Shame on the following posters. Do you have anything better to do than to post in PoliGAF?


So after the third debate, we will get a Interim thread then one final thread for election day?
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Damn, I've been slacking since the primaries :(
 
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DeaconKnowledge said:
Just to ground everyone in here..

Isn't CBS a Dem leaning pollster?
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http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/cbsnyt-poll-preempt.html

538 said:
If Andrew Sullivan is right and the CBS-NYT poll to be released this evening shows a 14-point lead for Obama, we shouldn't actually regard this as all that shocking a result.

Presently, our best estimate is that Obama has about an 8-point national lead. However, CBS polls have leaned about 3 points more Democratic than the average this year. In other words, our baseline expectation is that a CBS poll should be showing about an 11-point for Obama right now.

You wind up to the Obama side of the +/- 3 point margin of error, and that's how you get to 14 points.

Not that this is good news for McCain exactly -- the balance of polling over the past 48 hours indicates that Obama's true lead is probably more like 8 points (maybe even inching upward toward 9) than 6 or 7. But it's not quite as bad as it will look on the surface.
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So, it does have a lean but it's still not good news for McCain.
 
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somedevil

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The party breakdown is:

38% Democrat
30% Republican
32% Independent

The reason he is up so much is because of the independents vote.
 
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santouras

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Ami, can you put the time of the debate into the OP please? I want to know what time it's going to be on in my timezone. cheers!
 
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The Librarian

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Obama is leading McCain by a large margin according to the most recent polls conducted...


So why can't he close the deal?

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Ami, can you put the time of the debate into the OP please? I want to know what time it's going to be on in my timezone. cheers!
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9PM EST
 
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HylianTom

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Son of Godzilla said:
So I've decided.

I'm going as Tucker Bounds for Halloween.
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I work on Halloween. Should be a fun night in the ER.

The last night I work before Election Day is Sunday night. I've been careful to maintain political neutrality the whole year, so it should be really fun when I walk in with the Obama cup from 7-11..
 
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Bajan32

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Almost at the end of this crazy race..

But the cynic in me just cant see this as a done deal until its a done deal.
Thank you guys for all my daily doses of Hopium.
I always said there's no way a black man would be elected before a woman to be POTUS...
Nov 4 cant get here soon enough.
I threatened to leave this country if GWB won a 2nd term...i didnt(stuck around for the variety of lovely ladies).. but I swear to god if McSame/Phailin wins this shit I'm out...

Speaking of which i need to take my ass to get registered.
 
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Fireblend

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HylianTom said:
Meanwhile, in an alternative universe, some Americans are undergoing hopium withdrawal treatment in reaction to McNarcan's polling numbers..

http://www.postponetheelection.com/
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I don't know why people so desperate for attention use the most horribly, eye-bleeding, non attractive fonts ever. I mean I'd even try to read that if I hadn't to advert my eyes so I didn't get a seizure.
 
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HylianTom

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pxleyes said:
Will someone off this ass on Fox right now? ACORN! AYERS! WRIGHT! ASSOCIATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Let Fox do what they want to do - it clearly isn't having the desired effect.

If they want to waste their time attempting to get a different result from doing the same thing over and over again, best of luck to them.. they'll be hysterical to watch 21 nights from now.
 
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pxleyes

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HylianTom said:
Let Fox do what they want to do - it clearly isn't having the desired effect.

If they want to waste their time attempting to get a different result from doing the same thing over and over again, best of luck to them.. they'll be hysterical to watch 21 nights from now.
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sigh...you're right. Time to change the channel.
 
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Trakdown

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HylianTom said:
Let Fox do what they want to do - it clearly isn't having the desired effect.

If they want to waste their time attempting to get a different result from doing the same thing over and over again, best of luck to them.. they'll be hysterical to watch 21 nights from now.
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I'm going to laugh if Obama wins huge (which is looking fairly likely) and they spend all their time wondering why nobody's investigating the election returns.
 
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