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Presidential Debate #1 |Hofstra University| I am not so think as you drunk I am

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whyamihere

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Gavin Darklighter said:
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Cool, gross.
 
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Raxus

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Gavin Darklighter said:
Some people are also opportunistic.

By your logic Donald Trump can change his views to match Bernie's 100% tomorrow. Because people change over time right?
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Change takes time and right now the republican party looks to appeal gay marriage, is not pro-choice, anti-immigration and a whole list of other things. The Clintons and the democrats, by and large are not.

But please keep giving me straw men to blow over because I can find clips from weeks ago showing how bad Trump is while you are busy posting stuff from 12 years ago.
 
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Gavin Darklighter

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Raxus said:
Change takes time and right now the republican party looks to appeal gay marriage, is not pro-choice, anti-immigration and a whole list of other things. The Clintons and the democrats, by and large are not.

But please keep giving me straw men to blow over.
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The republican party is not going to appeal gay marriage especially when their party nominee spoke at length about defending the rights of the LGBTQ community and got huge cheering and clapping from the audience (which was composed of mostly hardline Republicans)during his acceptance speech. Even Dick Cheney, who is about as Republican as it gets, actively supports gay rights and has been doing so long before Clinton saw the tide turning in their direction and very conveniently jumped aboard.

Also for the record there is a huge difference between being anti-immigration and anti-ILLEGAL immigration (which is what the Republican party is).
 
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EatinOlives

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Gavin Darklighter said:
The republican party is not going to appeal gay marriage especially when their party nominee spoke at length about defending the rights of the LGBTQ community and got huge cheering and clapping from the audience (which was composed of mostly hardline Republicans)during his acceptance speech. Even Dick Cheney, who is about as Republican as it gets, actively supports gay rights and has been doing so long before Clinton saw the tide turning in their direction and very conveniently jumped aboard.

Also for the record there is a huge difference between being anti-immigration and anti-ILLEGAL immigration (which is what Trump is) just so you understand.
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In the eyes of xenophobes and bigots, no, there really isn't.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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There is no point arguing with a junior who is going to get perma'd within three days probably (based on him starting off with a Monica Hillary blowjob joke).
 
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Pryce

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Hillary needs to stay away from the first woman president/stronger together shit.

She needs to come after Trump straight away and hard too. Facts after facts. Call his bullahit. Leave that lovey-dovey convention stuff at the convention.
 
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Dubbedinenglish

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Gavin Darklighter said:
The republican party is not going to appeal gay marriage especially when their party nominee spoke at length about defending the rights of the LGBTQ community and got huge cheering and clapping from the audience (which was composed of mostly hardline Republicans)during his acceptance speech. Even Dick Cheney, who is about as Republican as it gets, actively supports gay rights and has been doing so long before Clinton saw the tide turning in their direction and very conveniently jumped aboard.
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When did he speak about rights? He said he would save "the gays" from the scary Muslims. Trump's running mate is one of, if not the worst anti-LGBTQ people in the party and will appoint judges "like Scalia" in the SC who would overturn gay marriage. But please, reach for the stars.
 
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liquidtmd

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cartoon_soldier said:
The whole media and expectation game is stacked against Hillary.

So very fearful about this debate.
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Whilst not fearful I'm kinda of the opinion all Trump has to do is show up and NOT make a complete ass of himself or say anything too silly to be deemed a success whereas if Hillary puts one foot wrong, she's going to be hauled over the coals.
 
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Suikoguy

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Gavin Darklighter said:
The republican party is not going to appeal gay marriage especially when their party nominee spoke at length about defending the rights of the LGBTQ community and got huge cheering and clapping from the audience (which was composed of mostly hardline Republicans)during his acceptance speech. Even Dick Cheney, who is about as Republican as it gets, actively supports gay rights and has been doing so long before Clinton saw the tide turning in their direction and very conveniently jumped aboard.

Also for the record there is a huge difference between being anti-immigration and anti-ILLEGAL immigration (which is what the Republican party is).
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How can you know what Trump really stands for?

SERIOUSLY
 
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Raxus

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Gavin Darklighter said:
The republican party is not going to appeal gay marriage especially when their party nominee spoke at length about defending the rights of the LGBTQ community and got huge cheering and clapping from the audience (which was composed of mostly hardline Republicans)during his acceptance speech. Even Dick Cheney, who is about as Republican as it gets, actively supports gay rights and has been doing so long before Clinton saw the tide turning.
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Man, this must have just been a fever dream on my part than.

And don't get me started on HB2 in NC.
 
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Suikoguy

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timetokill said:
Absolutely this. Especially when poll numbers say they should change their convictions!
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Bernie supporters never give up do they?
It's really quite sad, they would rather bitch about minor Clinton issues, than focus on preventing a White Nationalist from being elected.
 
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timetokill

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Suikoguy said:
Bernie supporters never give up do they?
It's really quite sad, they would rather bitch about minor Clinton issues, than focus on preventing a White Nationalist from being elected.
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I wouldn't know, I'm not a Bernie supporter.
And no, I'm not a Trump supporter either.
 
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Gavin Darklighter

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Suikoguy said:
Bernie supporters never give up do they?
It's really quite sad, they would rather bitch about minor Clinton issues, than focus on preventing a White Nationalist from being elected.
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When her campaign and SuperPacs outspend the white nationalist on ads 10 to 1 and he's in the margin of error with her don't you think that maybe Bernie would have been the better fucking choice for nominee? If Trump didn't say as much inflammatory shit this election would be a landslide election in his favor.
 
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xxracerxx

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Gavin Darklighter said:
When your campaign and SuperPacs outspend the white nationalist on ads 10 to 1 and he's in the margin of error with her don't you think that maybe Bernie would have been the better fucking choice for nominee?
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No, Sanders would not be doing better in the polls than Clinton.
 
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Suikoguy

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timetokill said:
I wouldn't know, I'm not a Bernie supporter.
And no, I'm not a Trump supporter either.
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Then who are you voting for?
There is no better option.

Gary and Jill have shown themselves to be joke candidates (let alone having 0% chance of winning).

Gavin Darklighter said:
When your campaign and SuperPacs outspend the white nationalist on ads 10 to 1 and he's in the margin of error with her don't you think that maybe Bernie would have been the better fucking choice for nominee?
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Oh god, ANOTHER Bernie or Buster.
I'd bet money he is another clueless Millennial too.
 
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Dubbedinenglish

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Gavin Darklighter said:
When your campaign and SuperPacs outspend the white nationalist on ads 10 to 1 and he's in the margin of error with her don't you think that maybe Bernie would have been the better fucking choice for nominee?
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Republicans were praying for Bernie to be the nominee. Say it with me


Bernie 👏 would 👏 be 👏 losing 👏 right 👏 now 👏
 
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Suikoguy

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timetokill said:
What does it matter? I thought we were talking about Hillary.
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You accuse Hillary of only supporting things because they are popular, perhaps i'm not understanding what point you are trying to make.
 
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eBay Huckster

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Gavin Darklighter said:
now THIS is gross:
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This is also gross. And also doesn't have the excuse of it being politically popular.

Congrats, we've collectively proven that everyone running for president this year has some deeply unethical shit in their past. Next you'll tell me that an American politician had to campaign on something that was popular at the time in order to win re-election that now looks bad.

Like, Jesus fucking Christ, what is the point you're trying to make? "Hillary Clinton is singularly bad, and no one else is for doing the exact same goddamn things?"
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
eBay Huckster said:
This is also gross. And also doesn't have the excuse of it being politically popular.

Congrats, we've proven that everyone running for president this year has some deeply unethical shit in their past.
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Well, at least he does what he thinks is right, and not what the popular option was.
 
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Torokil

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I predict it'll be very boring, unfortunately. Total letdown!

The only real upside is that the entire debate will be available at it's full in all corners of the web, thus rendering the (already written) media narratives completely fruitless.
 
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timetokill

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Raxus said:
Suiko's attacks aside I do honestly wonder the point you are trying to make.

I do want to understand your view, please tell me your side.
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I'm just saying I don't believe at face value that her change in position is anything but a political maneuver. I felt similarly about Obama's "evolution" in his stance.

I'm not saying it makes her unqualified. I'm just saying I'm wary, and it's a little disconcerting to see people so assured of her being an ally, and so opposed to criticizing her in any way. She's certainly better than the alternative, but I'm not exactly celebrating this awful choice. It's incredibly disappointing to have these two as the candidates of the major parties.
 
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Joeytj

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Gavin Darklighter said:
How is it gross? It's just a joke

now THIS is gross:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkK2_6H9MM
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I
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Yeah, this is disgusting also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ONvxJOcus4

Oh, and this makes me vomit:

[In 1999]...the court also said that the Vermont legislature should decide the issue. Many prominent Democrats, including Sanders’ successor as mayor of Burlington and a gubernatorial nominee, spoke out in favor of gay marriage, but Sanders kept mum.

It wasn’t until 2009 that Sanders publicly voiced support for gay marriage, years after many of his contemporaries in Vermont. [But during Sander's time as a federal Senator].The state legislature voted to legalize gay marriage that March and overrode a gubernatorial veto to pass it into law in April. It’s unclear when exactly Sanders took his position. When asked, his campaign provided a news article from July of that year which noted that he had “previously supported” it.
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eBay Huckster

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A whole lot of things disappoint me about American politics, but, like, constantly throwing up my hands and saying "this is gross" about any and all of them stinks a lot more of "cynical bullshit mongering" than "actually putting in any effort for any micro-level changes".

Just drag the shambling corpse of the movement left forward like the rest of us.
Including Clinton.
 
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