BoogieWoogie
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Wait I'm not watching this, what are they saying? They have his tax returns?
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Senate Intel Panel hearing on Russian interference and activities ( livestream)
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Wait I'm not watching this, what are they saying? They have his tax returns?
SJurgenson
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"Mr. Watts, have you been able to determine how many Russian Twitter bots are supporting my wife's team, the Red Raiders?"
Beer Monkey
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Watts: "Follow the trail on dead Russians". YES.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Bringing up the Russian cover up assassinations, nice.
Doc Holliday
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This is pretty interesting so far and a lot more serious than the house hearings so far.
Nah, he was just saying he wants them.
No, they are requesting to get them, along with all money ties the trump family has with Russia.
Basically the argument was they want to follow the money.
Sleight of Jam
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As someone who avoids trump related news for my own mental health, can anybody give me a short summary of positives that can potentially come out of this?
VistraNorrez
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It seems surreal that after huge wins for the GOP their party is heading toward disaster. For years the demise of their party was talked about because it seemed like the country was becoming more progressive, but now it seems like they may be their own undoing.
Today is just laying the groundwork of Russian intervention against the US, not specifically relating to Trump or anyone in particular. It's gonna be an easy day. Think of today like an overview of the issue.
Host Samurai
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Just remember. Progress ALWAYS wins. We wouldn't have gotten Obama if it didn't. This is a bump in the road but things will work out in the end.
They were so concerned with winning, they ignored all signs of issues and any ethical concerns.
Senators have to make some effort on occasion because they can't be gerrymandered into safe red zones.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Not enough money is spent on Education.
This attack was done almost entirely through social media.
SJurgenson
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One thing I see getting lost in all these discussions/hearings is the meaningful (or not) difference between directly changing votes, and indirectly changing votes.
Yes, with our disparate and distributed election systems it would be very difficult and expensive to directly affect vote totals (I.E., hacking vote collecting and tallying systems).
However, it would be (and likely was) far easier to indirectly affect votes.
Someone's vote is a rational choice, based on available evidence and one's beliefs.
It's hard to change someone's vote after-the fact. It's hard to change someone's beliefs. But if you can affect the evidence (read: media sources) a voter is presented with, you can much more easily affect that person's vote.
That's the importance of this 'fake news' discussion.
Yes, with our disparate and distributed election systems it would be very difficult and expensive to directly affect vote totals (I.E., hacking vote collecting and tallying systems).
However, it would be (and likely was) far easier to indirectly affect votes.
Someone's vote is a rational choice, based on available evidence and one's beliefs.
It's hard to change someone's vote after-the fact. It's hard to change someone's beliefs. But if you can affect the evidence (read: media sources) a voter is presented with, you can much more easily affect that person's vote.
That's the importance of this 'fake news' discussion.
Teleology is nonsense. We have to be aware of the real possibility of failure.
This dude gets it.
Doc Holliday
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He went in!
KoopaTheCasual
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PepsimanVsJoe
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Damn. I'm liking this Watts dude.
TheCochese
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Thank you.
super-heated plasma
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Oh, man, Watts going after Trump HARD.
while I totally get where you are coming from, he does have some truth. plus it truly never the best to just picture the worst. Optimism is key!
Yeah, that's not something that can be taken on faith. Things always work out, until they don't. You jave to stay vigilant to keep a good thing going, and fight like hell to make positive changes.
I get that, but it was pointed out the intelligence community is not equipped to track what Russia is doing.
Either way...this groundwork is pretty direct. They're indirectly confirming all the ways Trump and his team are connected to Russia when you compare it to what's been reported in the media.
Even down to them just saying he(Trump) spreads fake news. Damn.
Beer Monkey
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This is what a non-cuck committee looks like, Nunes.
wumster3000
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I thought I heard that, or something closely related. As you can see, we haven't had any BLM riots since the election, and there were tons leading to election day.
PSY・S;233047672 said:
Yep. It was well known they play all sides. Because they know what elections work like. Just like in Europe they don't just prop up one group, they also fracture big ones to force disunity and compromise.
This is exactly the kind of cyberwarfare we need to fight, but we have Giuliani in charge of. With his imaginary experience.
No I believe they are saying russia is amplifying protests (through online sources) to sow discord.
PepsimanVsJoe
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PSY・S;233047672 said:
That's the idea. They'll support any candidate that has a chance at upending the democratic order.
Driving a wedge between Sanders/Clinton supporters definitely hurt the Democrats in 2016.
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