Hell it'd be generous to say that they're even paying attention to what's currently going on.
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Senate takes major step towards repealing Obamacare
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This doesn't mean pre-existing clause is going away. This is more political maneuvering on both sides. Don't get me wrong, this is not a good thing but I don't want people to freak out before necessary.
Manmademan
Member
I haven't been paying as much attention to this as I should, but I've been hearing that there are enough republican senators against repeal without a replacement that "repeal and delay" is dead, and a replacement will need to be passed alongside any repeal.
Is that still currently correct?
And if so, is it also correct that while repeal can be done through reconciliation with 50 votes, any replacement would be subject to filibuster and still require 60?
Is that still currently correct?
And if so, is it also correct that while repeal can be done through reconciliation with 50 votes, any replacement would be subject to filibuster and still require 60?
CydonianKnight
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Somehow expected more GOP members to actually come to their senses about this. I was so very wrong in that line of thinking.
Honestly surprising considering that that specific provision actually has solid support among Republican voters. Same with staying in your parents plan until the age of 26.
If this indeed comes to pass, Republican voters should really hold their representatives feet to the fire for going against their wishes.
If this indeed comes to pass, Republican voters should really hold their representatives feet to the fire for going against their wishes.
I don't think panic over losing your health insurance is something to be made light of. Whether or not this first step results in the eventual budgetary repeal of ACA remains to be seen, but expecting people to remain calm as the boulder picks up steam down the hill is is ridiculous.
And it's not "at worst a years long phaseout" if by your own admission (and as is plainly evident) the Republicans don't have the foggiest notion of what to replace the ACA with. It's the destruction and death spiral of health care industry.
But that's really great how that Republicans recognize how popular certain provisions of the ACA are, such as pre-ex conditions, 26 y/o coverage. Please elaborate though on how they plan to maintain those by removing the funding sources? And the individual mandate. Continuous coverage is a buzzword that means nothing. Tom Price's plan includeds tax credits that are a joke and render healthcare plans prohibitive.
But yeah, no time to panic. You get your healthcare until November. You may not have lost it last night, but if the GOP falls in line you are proper fucked in 10 short months. So yes, panic. Scream bloody murder. This is life and death for a lot of people and being patronized by those with insurance from other means or who are miraculously perfectly healthy can go piss up a tree.
If he can't pay it, the hospital system will just defer the cost to the rest of us that can pay.
That was how it worked before and why the insurance premium was skyrocketing. That's why ACA has a mandate so everybody can share the cost.
But no, go ahead and not get insurance and screw over everybody else that is picking up your tab.
Sometimes I hate being an atheist as I would love to believe there is a hell for these people to go to.
I'm an atheist too but I sure hope there is a hell for people like them.
metalslimer
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It's amazing people have so much faith in republicans to keep all these provisions when they were the ones that argued against many of these in the first place during the original Obamacare fight, and they've only become more zealous since then.
The only thing the GOP completely is in lock step on is in destroying the ACA, so people expecting them to just be nice have a lot of faith for seemingly no reason.
The only thing the GOP completely is in lock step on is in destroying the ACA, so people expecting them to just be nice have a lot of faith for seemingly no reason.
I think personal health is one of those few things people can rightly get a bit freaked out about. I've got a friend with Lupus who is scared shitless right now.
Lord Frieza
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Lol, it's crazy that some of you guys think there is actually some kind of replacement plan. There's no fucking plan. And I won't be surprised if they just never even tried to replace it with anything. The GOP, right now, doesn't give two fucks about anything, and their base is apparently solid enough they'd die for these fuckers (and many probably will after it's gone). All the talks of a plan is pandering and bullshit.
They should if we know for a fact it's going away. A lot of people including myself have doubts about that. Is it possible? Sure, but there are reasons why losing all hope is counter-productive especially if you're already sick. Stress doesn't help.
RPGCrazied
Member
This sucks, but they are getting rid of the penalty for not having healthcare? Which I sadly don't. Still though I don't want them getting rid of the ACA. People say you can't have the ACA without the penalty, is that true?
Pai Pai Master
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Our only hope is that they voted against improving the ACA simply because they didn't want to see Obama succeed. If they will get all the credit for it, they could actually put their petty fucking egos aside and make a better comprehensive healthcare law than Obama was allowed to do.
Fox Mulder
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All you can do is focus on taking care of you and your family. fuck America and your neighbors.
We're a country built on fuck you I got mine.
Aaron Strife
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The idea behind the mandate is that if you force insurance companies to take on sick people, poor people, people with preexisting conditions etc you need to add healthy people into the pool so that premiums won't skyrocket.
RPGCrazied
Member
Ah. I really hope they don't touch mediacade. Which a lot of people use, including myself.
Aaron Strife
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You have coverage under Medicaid you would be covered under the mandate...
Fox Mulder
Member
Too late really. If fucking racist dumb people didn't know the difference, it won't matter now. Many live in states that refused Medicaid expansion.
Educating voters and talking to them like adults doesn't work. You have to exploit fears and ingorance.
The GOP doesn't want that. They want the idiots to think it is something different so they don't have to change much about it and to be honest I'm fine with that if means people get to keep their healthcare. Educating people is futile at this point. Might as well take advantage of their ignorance.
RPGCrazied
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Is that going away with the repeal?
This is why the smartest thing for the GOP to do would be to repeal the ACA and just instantly pass basically the same law with a different name. Their stupid ass base won't know the difference anyway.
But it seems like the GOP just wants people to die because bootstraps.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Sorry to those that relied on this and saw the writing on the wall. I hope we can find a way to make sure that you receive the medical care you need.
Lmao, fuck off trump supporters that voted for these pieces of garbage, Enjoy your fucking grave you numb nuts, GOP isn't going to give two shits about you lol.
Lmao, fuck off trump supporters that voted for these pieces of garbage, Enjoy your fucking grave you numb nuts, GOP isn't going to give two shits about you lol.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Kill off the poor/less fortunate has always been the GOP goal.
Darryl M R
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How did pre-existing conditions worked before the ACA with employer sponsored insurance?
Did most good employers have insurance options that did not have a pre-existing condition clause?
Did most good employers have insurance options that did not have a pre-existing condition clause?
I wish I could just turn it off, but I live here..
This should tell you just about everything you need to know...
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It's less of a factor, in mid to late sized companies, because your pool balances that out. Small companies can still have individuals dropped
RPGCrazied
Member
Same. Fun times huh? Even if you try to avoid it you really can't unless you go live in a cave for 4 years(lol).
I think this guy is worse then Nixon and won't last that long hopefully.
Aaron Strife
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It depends. Under PPACA Medicaid covers people up to 133% of the poverty line in states that chose to expand it. You might still be able to apply even if the Medicaid expansion is tossed.
That being said there's nothing stopping the GOP from destroying Medicaid either.
Ivan A Nguyen
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My dad has always been republican. Now that he's retired he is counting on Obamacare to let him buy insurance when he moves to his new place. I straight up laughed and looked like the ass when I told him that he had voted against that. My wife, him, and his wife all told me that there was 'No Way' that they'd actually repeal obamacare with out a replacement and leave millions of people without insurance. Like many things, time will prove me right.
Look, my mom is a diabetic with COPD (she's on oxygen). My dad had a heart attack (although he is now on Medicare). Without the ACA, my mom probably wouldn't be able to get insurance (no oxygen concentrator), and my dad probably wouldn't be able to get supplemental insurance. All of these conditions arose after the ACA. In March 1988 I was born premature at 30 weeks, after my mom spent more than 3 months on bedrest, in a birth with two dozen attending nurses, doctors, and specialists. I spent a few months in NICU, and by August, the insurance company was trying to deny further coverage for my apnea monitor because of the lack of any incidents since my birth (luckily my dad, an attorney, had the teeth to fight back).
It's not hyperbole when I say this is a matter of life and death. Republicans supporting repeal of the ACA are actively taking steps to jeopardize the lives of americans, including my family, and that under the old system, I, as an infant with a high risk of mortality, almost had a potentially life-saving device taken away. Tens of thousands of fatalities are prevented every year because of provisions in the ACA, and repealing the ACA will, in other words, directly cause tens of thousands of Americans to die.
It is becoming incredibly difficult to remain civil with conservatives in government, and I have already recognized and lamented the signs of radicalization in my own thought processes in response to their continuous assaults on our political and civil institutions and well being, and if they continue down this path, I fear for what actions may be taken by or towards institutions and people in general, myself included.
Your ideology is worthless if it brings pain and suffering to others.
It's not hyperbole when I say this is a matter of life and death. Republicans supporting repeal of the ACA are actively taking steps to jeopardize the lives of americans, including my family, and that under the old system, I, as an infant with a high risk of mortality, almost had a potentially life-saving device taken away. Tens of thousands of fatalities are prevented every year because of provisions in the ACA, and repealing the ACA will, in other words, directly cause tens of thousands of Americans to die.
It is becoming incredibly difficult to remain civil with conservatives in government, and I have already recognized and lamented the signs of radicalization in my own thought processes in response to their continuous assaults on our political and civil institutions and well being, and if they continue down this path, I fear for what actions may be taken by or towards institutions and people in general, myself included.
Your ideology is worthless if it brings pain and suffering to others.
Gotdatmoney
Member
People saying there is no need to panic yet? What is the GOP gonna replace ACA with? They have had 6 years. How do they not have a real developed plan yet?
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Don't worry. They won't.
They got nothing. One rep said it might take them 6 months to come up with something. Idiocy to the nth degree.
Darryl M R
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This makes me feel a little bit better.
This doesn't make me feel well.
What are they going to replace it with? The ACA of course.
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