Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
It's not even close to being a safe jump. You can backdash before they even get a chance to option select.
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Not at all. From a spectator standpoint the drama potential is significantly higher.
SUPARSTARX
Member
Well, keeping pressure is the main thing here IMO rather than letting people slip away and waste time. It's still good information. It should be different for other characters. Maybe better results or not.
Tizoc
Member
Thanks, this'll be a good watch during break time at work.
"God's Beard!"
Member
What about characters that can shorten their jump arcs?
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
No, you don't maintain pressure at all since they can backdash and there's nothing most characters are gonna be able to do about it. The idea here is that on knockdown, regardless if they forward roll or stay put, you follow them and get a 100% chance to maintain pressure. But since the jump-in isn't going to be meaty enough, backdash turns that 100% into 0%, and it doesn't even look like it ends in a neutral situation. It looks like the aggressor ends at negative frames.
Looks pretty useless, except maybe for select characters/spacing situations. And if it's some kind of near-corner situation or something, you better be doing it against a character that doesn't have anti-airs. In the Rufus/Ryu example in that video, it looks like Rufus recovers quickly enough to even stick out a cr.mp anti-air.
SUPARSTARX
Member
There are meaty jump setups in the game. I just found two psuedo ones with Law where I can safe jump DP and late tech.
You seem intent on invalidating any sort of new ideas that can be brought into this game.
This is still using the SF4 engine, so even back dashes can be beaten when you find the right setups in here. It's just not easy to pick off because option selects and stuff work a little differently here.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
There are. The setup in question isn't one of them.
You're right. But the jump-in in this setup isn't meaty enough for option selects to work.
I'm talking about the superjump option select in that video. I'm not talking about any other setups.
Anyone else know any good ABC chains that end in a safe C? I'm spoiled with Kazuya's s.fp, which both pushes your opponent back and isn't too negative on block. Rufus c.fp does a lot of pushback, but recovers so long that it can be punished. King's s.hk is way safer than s.fp (Which is punishable on hit for some blasted reason) but you can't ex cancel the kick for konvict kick shinanigans.
SUPARSTARX
Member
A lot of C's aren't safe, but there are some discrepancies like distance that are out of reach of normals. But that doesn't make them safe against specials and supers though. The Japanese mook has values for chains on block. A lot of them range around -9 to up to -21 on block for fierce and roundhouses.
The only thing i've seen punish Kazuya's s.fp was a standing fierce from Rolento, and even then the fierce wasn't at max distance. I should probably test out Julia and Ken's supers as they are great for punishing anything -2 or worse. SRKs clean whiff though.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
I tried playing with Super Easy Input for the hell of it and it was a complete pain in the ass. Kept firing shit off unintentionally. It was especially bad with Vega's claw and mask removal special moves.
Super Easy Input also disables Unique Attacks, right?
I really do love this game, but holy shit, Ryu and Ken should not be able to spam the fuck out of SRK to counter, my god it is so OP, and Ryu shouldn't be able to special cancel out of cr.HK, FUCK THAT BULLSHIT. also, Ryu and Ken do over 450 damage off of one switch cancel with barely any effort, why is my question...
inanutshell
Member
I played some casuals last night and a vega player that was able to punish Kazuya's s.fp chain attack with either a crouching jab or strong. I think the player mentioned that he may have needed to walk forward a little bit to get the punish since that move pushes the opponent away.
ihearthawthats
Banned
what for exactly? hit-confirming launcher? there are multiple other options for various characters:
-safe tekken string that can lead into hit-confirmed launcher
-safe bc poke that can lead into hit-confirmed launcher
-easy to link lights or mediums that can lead into hit-confirmed launcher.
yo stick-gaf help me out here
http://treasure.craigslist.org/vgm/2994601169.html
should i look into picking this up? any issues i might run across?
http://treasure.craigslist.org/vgm/2994601169.html
should i look into picking this up? any issues i might run across?
Bring a screwdriver set with you and remove the bottom panel and check the insides. Move the joystick around and hit all the buttons.
toastyToast
Member
Sorry for not expanding. What I meant was it doesn't have the footsie game of SF4 with the absurd frame advantage of standing jabs, weak throws and strange hitboxes.
On the other hand, you can sort of see the Tekken influence is the bounding aspect you get with OTGs which isn't integrated very well nor all that customizable. This can be attributed to the moveset still being very Capcom-esque making it all rather pedestrian.
This is just my opinion, but the team didn't captitalize enough on the good aspects of the the two franchises that influenced this venture.
I bought the CE, the guide and a stick; the last thing I wanted to do was not like the game. I'll leave it at that since this probably counts as thread shitting at this point.
SUPARSTARX
Member
Petition for them to filter them out of match searches. Best solution.
You had me curious, so I looked it up. (here if anyone else wants to see) That's crazy stupid haha. I already hated online before, no way I'd bother with it now.
narcosis219
Member
Gems really should have boiled down to a "style" select ala alpha 3. Instead of having shittons of gems and assist shit, just have Power, Speed, and Defense "modes" and have an in game mechanic to pop off a power once per round or something.
Problem is, you can't monetize that.
Problem is, you can't monetize that.
Tizoc
Member
I agree with some of these points. There are just too many activation prerequests to even bother with.
When I look at the Gem system I am reminded of Zero 3's World Tour mode. Wherein you can 'customize' your character by playing in that mode.
Create-a-groove is an interesting idea, I don't like how SFxT does it for the most part.
@KO- I believe so yes since it's imply direction+button.
I personally don't mind this option being in fighting games but...at the cost of losing speed, defense or attack?
Tizoc
Member
That doesn't sound too bad.
An idea for a Custom groove if a game had a Create-a-groove system is to focus on offense, but in turn have some of your defense (properties) affected, like say you get not grey health to recover or you have 10% less defense, etc.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
"Y'all want a no-gem mode? 500 MS points pls."
ihearthawthats
Banned
i agree that its stupid, but i don't necessarily agree that its op. the fact that it does cost money irks me though.
a couple of things to keep in mind with art's rant:
- his opponent didn't seem that bad and at one point in the video art even acknowledges that they aren't.
- art is using no gems. of course no gems vs gems is going to be at disadvtange, autoblock or not. the matches were extremely close despite this and art may have won if he used some gems, any gems at all.
- afaik, cammy vs dhalsim matchup is in cammy's favour, so its hard to tell how much is the player skill level, how much is the matchup, and how much is the gems.
- he also admits to his heihachi being a new character for him, so had he used a more familiar character he might've won more easily.
- one specific thing that art says is about raw tags and how the opponent just doesn't care. well, auto-block doesn't save you from the recovery of a raw tag and if you fail to punish that recovery, thats on you not the gems.
SolarPowered
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Saw it like an hour before posted. I've never seen anything like it in a fighting game before(I'm a bit green). Definitely a negative, but I'll leave it at that.
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can somebody photoshop mike ross wearing 80's new wave sunglasses onto that tom cruise gif
SUPARSTARX
Member
That's abuse of the gems intentions. I have used it online to learn mix ups for a while against characters I'm not familiar with, but it was with the one stock gem. This one taking way less is better for that but lol yeah. That video speaks for itself. People like that just want to run around and farm points. They don't really care.
Unbelievable. And there's going to be a DLC gem that takes even LESS meter. Brilliance!
Slamtastic
Member
They probably already lost all the casuals thanks to the sound online, I'm sure not everyone came back after it was patched.
I can't fault players for using the best gem combinations possible. Nothing wrong with playing to win. As someone who spent a lot of time tweaking character stats in Soulcalibur 4, that's what I originally planned to do in this game myself. The problem is that a gem combination on this level is universally possible online in the first place. There's no escape, so to speak. It's like UMvC3's Heroes & Heralds mode is the only mode.
Don't you think the developers considered what would happen if non-casual players learned strategies with "casual player" gems? I think that video is a pretty accurate example of that particular gem's intention, and I definitely don't like it.
SUPARSTARX
Member
Need more colors.
Tizoc
Member
Never in all my life have I ever wanted to actually complain about free stuff, as much as I want about the free colors.
Resolution
Member
Capcom should just have all these things unlocked instead of acting like they are doing us a favor with this "free" dlc.
I'm very frustrated with this game. I consider myself a tad above average in Street Fighter, but I'm dumpster tier in this. I got upto 580BP and down now im 100 all because of Kazuya players. That L, M, H crossover crap ruins it, not to mention the gems and auto-combo. Also what's the deal with 'same' skill level matchmaking me with 1500 players?
I think Capcom sucks at crossover fighters and MK Vs DC Universe is a better game. Yeah I went there.
I think Capcom sucks at crossover fighters and MK Vs DC Universe is a better game. Yeah I went there.
I have a Mario (Rolento) and Princess Peach (Lili) team.
SUPARSTARX
Member
kevo_huevo
Member
anyone here main jin and/or raven? gonna put my main team (guile/vega) on the shelf to learn some tekken characters. anyone have tips on bnbs, anti airs, strats?
I'd go so far as to put him only slightly below the shotos. Historically the only thing that holds Guile back is his damage output and in SF4 he was weak against the wake up game. Now he can run his amazing zoning game on a longer stage, where everyone walks slower, and jumps have more start up frames. The roll and alpha counter give him escape options. Chain combos makes his crouching mk more amazing than ever.
In short, he has all or strengths from the past games, got some new buffs and most of his weaknesses have been removed or massively mitigated.
I had a dream (nightmare) last night where I was playing money matches against all the big names and losing horribly. Mike Ross was constantly over my shoulder shouting at me - trying to coach and smack talk at the same time. I would often catch Link in the corner of my eye, just staring at me silently from somewhere in the room.
The game was messed up too. It was definitely supposed to be SFxT, but it was constantly in Scramble mode and looked like a Smash Bros. clone. Oh god, it was dreadful.
And the worst thing about it all? Gootecks wasn't there.
Hold me, GAF
The game was messed up too. It was definitely supposed to be SFxT, but it was constantly in Scramble mode and looked like a Smash Bros. clone. Oh god, it was dreadful.
And the worst thing about it all? Gootecks wasn't there.
Hold me, GAF