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Tales of Graces f site gets an update, Product details in English, Hint at platform?
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SolidSnakex
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Seda said:
I'd say the biggest problem is that NAMCO doesn't market them at all. If they don't want to do TV campaigns then they need to start studying how Atlus markets their games. Atlus somehow figured out how to get 3D Dot Games Heroes to sell over 150k in the US while most Tales games never even get to 100k.
ShockingAlberto
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That's a problem, but you can widen the lens internationally for most Tales problems.Seda said:
It would be a fistfight to decide which is the biggest.
The lack of a console focus, the constant shifting of what's a "mothership" Tales and what can be safely ignored, wildly oscillating quality (Innocence was a "mothership" Tales game and also not very good), brand confusion (Hearts and its dual SKUs), lofty expectations with sub-par work and marketing, etc.
For America in specific, as you mentioned, the shotgun approach to game releases didn't work. They'd probably do themselves a huge favor if they went the multiplatform route for each game - Hearts on DS and PSP, Vesperia on 360 and PS3 (at the same time), Xillia on everything. The fact that Namco's US branch keeps skipping games and, when they do release them, plops them out with all the care and nurturing of a smoker throwing a cigarette out the window, are equally huge problems.
I still can't wrap my head around Tales of the Abyss not making the 3DS launch.
nincompoop said:
it was published by nintendo,so nothing wow about it
the problem is namco's marketing,not the platform (their xenosaga sold much better)
it failed on both 360 and wii,they don't have much more possibilities (go steam?)
sega was satisfied with the sales of valkyria and yakuza,atlus with demons souls and 3d dot game heroes,and nisa with rorona and ar tonelico, so niche rpgs can sell on ps3
Hours Left
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Sadly, this is most likely the situation.ULTROS! said:
InfiniteNine
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It'd probably work better if they weren't pissing people off by withholding information.Gunloc said:
NotebookJ2
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InfiniteNine said:
Pretty much.
hosannainexcelsis
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vall03 said:
8-4 has pretty much confirmed that they're working on it.
nincompoop
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How about you try contributing to the discussion instead of hurling 7th-grade insults?Firestorm said:
Namco Bandai America won't put in the cash for the port so it would have to happen in Japan. And I suppose that the Tales series has done pretty well on the PS3 thus far considering the two titles released were year old ports sold at a premium which is probably why the focus was shifted to PS3 exclusive for Tales of Xilia. If that sells like shit though, Bandai Namco would probably make the decision to take the series multiplatform from the get go rather than release staggered ports. Or take the main series portable.Codeblue said:
The Last Wizard
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any chance this could be a summer release?
i heard how namco screwed up the abyss release, and the way it's looking they're gonna screw this one up by releasing fall this year which is incredibly packed, even pushing it to q1 next year is suicide as a suspect a few big names will get pushed back from this fall
i heard how namco screwed up the abyss release, and the way it's looking they're gonna screw this one up by releasing fall this year which is incredibly packed, even pushing it to q1 next year is suicide as a suspect a few big names will get pushed back from this fall
Sure thing. Your posts are always of a very narrow-minded pro-Nintendo and ignore everything else type. I also think I've pointed out to you (or maybe other people) in these threads multiple times that the PSX Tales games both sold pretty damn well although not to Symphonia numbers and there will likely never be another Tales game to do Symphonia numbers.nincompoop said:
edit: crap. double post.
nincompoop
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durr hurr i iz retard cuz i like nintendo gamezFirestorm said:
And I already posted the leaked NPD sales of the PSX Tales games, they sold 67k and 59k respectively. All I'm doing is using the fact that every single Tales game on a Sony platform has sold fewer copies in the US than every Tales games on a non Sony platform to support my argument that Namco would be foolish to release Graces exclusively on the PS3.
Namco was just as foolish to release the tales games on the 360 and the Wii(In fact I'd argue it's even worse) in Japan where it matters the most for the franchise, but you'll never see the pro Ninty and MS people admitting that. It's ALL about the US sales!
Despite Symphonia 2 selling relatively well(Which probably sold more on the name more than anything), I wouldn't be surprised if Graces on Wii would sell even worse than the PS2 entries in the west due to how pathetic the software situation the Wii is for third party core games worldwide.
Despite Symphonia 2 selling relatively well(Which probably sold more on the name more than anything), I wouldn't be surprised if Graces on Wii would sell even worse than the PS2 entries in the west due to how pathetic the software situation the Wii is for third party core games worldwide.
Dedication Through Light
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Nakiro said:
They should honestly choose Xillia over Vesperia. And if Xillia comes with DLC support they choose that. They can easily make good opportunity on both Graces F and Xillia just on the basis of DLC alone, easy money. What will Vesperia PS3 offer? Eternal Sonata level sells?
Kasumi1970
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your sounding like a sony fanboy. Symphonia and Vesperia sold better in the us than the other ps2 Tales gamesklee123 said:
gundamkyoukai
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Kasumi1970 said:
At the end of the day it's the sales in Japan that matter , which is why tales is back on PS3 .
It would be best when series comes to the NA for them to port it to all system but sales are not good enough so it not worth it .
Still Namco has done nothing to help the series in NA only hurt it over and over again.
Hell they should already brought over Veseperia to help grow the PS3 fan base it's not like we have much JRPG's to play on console. God i miss the PS2 days .
Dedication Through Light
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Kagari said:
After the success they experienced with doing PS3/360 Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 2, I wonder why Xillia and even Graces F ended up just being one console. It is a strange day when Naruto sells more than a longstanding RPG franchise...
hosannainexcelsis
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Dedication Through Light said:
I would wager there are more people who care about Naruto than Tales.
BoilersFan23
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That and Naruto is more mass market appeal (since there are many young teens who like Naruto). Tales is something just not many know about.hosannainexcelsis said:
gundamkyoukai
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Dedication Through Light said:
Cause the sales in NA help , right now if Namco was to make Xillia 360\PS3 the x box version in Japan won't even sell 50k .
Then the sales in NA would have to make up for it , which i think won't happen since most tales fan have both HD systems any way .
So if they sell eg 250k on both systems they would still sell 175k only on 1 not worth the extra budget .
Sammy Samusu
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Maybe Namco decided to not release the Wii version because it lacks the epilogue.
Yes, japanese sales.Kagari said:
I think that's Chris Brown's account, the "forehead" part is a pretty good hint.Firestorm said:
Naruto has been going strong for a long while now. It's actually a really good game.
Naruto games have been around for over 10 years now.. CyberConnect 2 is rare to disappoint.
I think the biggest issues for Tales is like most people mentioned, the console exclusivity. It's almost like Kingdom Hears where you have an entry on every single console, but I really doubt many of them have amazing sales because they are all over the place. So you don't have a consistent fanbase.
Naruto games have been around for over 10 years now.. CyberConnect 2 is rare to disappoint.
I think the biggest issues for Tales is like most people mentioned, the console exclusivity. It's almost like Kingdom Hears where you have an entry on every single console, but I really doubt many of them have amazing sales because they are all over the place. So you don't have a consistent fanbase.
Dedication Through Light
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Nakiro said:
Birth By Sleep, Im sure has good sales, it even got a "final mix"...
BbS did better than 179 Days in Japan, but 179 Days did significantly better than BbS in the US. I think BbS would have done better in the US if the PSP wasn't so dead, though. Regardless, I don't think it has a big problem due to the games being scattered, at least not compared to Tales. In Japan, it was like 770k BbS / 550k 179 Days. I forget the US numbers but it was like 250k BbS and over 600k for 179 Days for sure, although the number is tough to nail down.
Haha. Don't like the 358/2 title huh? I agree about it not having a sales problem, but from a story perspective it presents a huge problem that is not shared by the Tales of Series. You have some seriously important entries that are exclusive to a wide variety of handhelds. Hell, if you didn't own a DS, parts of the Birth By Sleep ending sequence/preview won't make sense (like Xion).Aeana said:
I love Tales games but discussing the series' checkered past in the States usually leaves me with a big frown on my face. So much fail from those who manage the series.
As I've said before I'm going to support Graces F on whatever platform we get it for and will continue to lobby for and support the series in the US. I loved Vesperia on the 360, I've got over 20 hours in Radiant Mythology on the PSP(and yikes at the sales of that game, btw), Tales of Eternia PSP is in the backlog, my copy of Abyss on the PS2 is in my living room and I'm likely picking up Symphonia 2 next week for my Wii. It's a frantic, scattered collection for Tales fans in the US but at least we're still getting new games!
And finally; Namco said not too long ago that they had learned their lesson about releasing games at the wrong time after Enslaved was sent to die. Let's hope they take that lesson to heart with Graces F. It needs to hit by early September at the latest or else it's going to get swallowed whole.
As I've said before I'm going to support Graces F on whatever platform we get it for and will continue to lobby for and support the series in the US. I loved Vesperia on the 360, I've got over 20 hours in Radiant Mythology on the PSP(and yikes at the sales of that game, btw), Tales of Eternia PSP is in the backlog, my copy of Abyss on the PS2 is in my living room and I'm likely picking up Symphonia 2 next week for my Wii. It's a frantic, scattered collection for Tales fans in the US but at least we're still getting new games!
And finally; Namco said not too long ago that they had learned their lesson about releasing games at the wrong time after Enslaved was sent to die. Let's hope they take that lesson to heart with Graces F. It needs to hit by early September at the latest or else it's going to get swallowed whole.
Dedication Through Light
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matmanx1 said:
They should have done like NISA did (Disgaea 4)and started advertising for it now in magazines, open the official website up to info, active preorder links and etc, instead of playing tease the platform game. I wouldnt be surprised if they did Graces F right in late October...
lunchwithyuzo
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Those Abyss sales are heartbreaking, I hope it does better on 3DS.john tv said:Through Nov. 2010:
TOS: 470k
TOV = 145k (138k + 7k Premium Edition)
TOSONW = 138k
TOP: 88k
TOL: 83k
TOA: 72k
TOW:RM = 39k
I predict TOG will sell 2 million (if everyone here buys 10 copies)
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