They've been filming for months. They'll be a team deciding which of the dailies they want to keep and think are useable and which will need to be reshot in reshoots. They won't be refilming anything at the end of the initial production but the reshoots may be larger than the 5 week schedule they had always carved out for safety. It wouldn't surprise me if reshoots end up being nearer 10 weeks depending on the scale of the reshoots they decide upon.
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THR: Ron Howard officially directing Han Solo after Lord/Miller firing
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Metalingus5150
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I'll allow it.
DerZuhälter
Member
I was against this project from the get go.
Now my morbid curiosity is probably going to get the better of me and force me into seeing this in a cinema.
Now my morbid curiosity is probably going to get the better of me and force me into seeing this in a cinema.
biggersmaller
Banned
Star Wars and the killer robot driving instructor who travels back in time for some reason.
Skellig Gra
Member
When this news hit I was surprised that filming hadn't wrapped up. They started in what end of January and it was supposed to go another 3 weeks? That seems excessive and a lot longer than Episode 7 from what I remember. I can't imagine the scale of this one is grander than Episode 7 plus they had all those remote shooting locations. Not a great sign for directors running a tight ship.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I like Ron Howard movies, but visually most of them are so boring and uninspired. I'm hoping he gets a good cinematographer.
This is going to sound really weird on the surface in terms of praising someone for it, but the one thing I'll say about Howard is that he is someone who is smart enough to let a good story be and not try to overwhelm it with too much with his own ideas. He has a good ability to zero in on the storytelling needs of a particular scene, almost always gets his actors to turn in good-to-very good performances, and knows how to wrangle a healthy budget to give the film exactly what it needs without having to go overboard with what he wants instead. Yes, this does ultimately give him a kind of anonymous presence as a director in terms of stylistic approach and ambition, but if you think back to something widely beloved he's done like Apollo 13, that's a story that really didn't need anything else other than a filmmaker to recognize that was a story worth telling without having to bombard the viewer with anything tricky. In a weird way, a lack of flourishing is in itself its own kind of flourish. It is true that Spielberg is way better at that kind of thing, hence all the criticism of Howard being a "budget Spielberg," but being a competent journeyman isn't the worst thing in the world when you have the material to justify that kind of approach.
I don't know what that means for this project in particular, especially since Howard is taking over for a pair that is clearly operating on an opposite end of the spectrum for artistic approach, but I estimate that at the worst, Howard will simply steer this towards being a typical Star Wars kind of movie than it was shaping up to be with Lord & Miller. That could be good, that could be bad, but ultimately, it will be no more or no less what's advertised on the tin.
I don't know what that means for this project in particular, especially since Howard is taking over for a pair that is clearly operating on an opposite end of the spectrum for artistic approach, but I estimate that at the worst, Howard will simply steer this towards being a typical Star Wars kind of movie than it was shaping up to be with Lord & Miller. That could be good, that could be bad, but ultimately, it will be no more or no less what's advertised on the tin.
Skellig Gra
Member
Just had a thought. Considering their history. Imagine if Tom Hanks somehow sneaks his way in to reshoots? Han's wise uncle or some shit.
Baw gawd, i need this
DOWN
Banned
Opinions and concerns are a bit irrelevant when the mainstream consensus has been exactly what Lucasfilm wants. It feels like concern trolling.
crooked spin
Member
Bradford Young didn't get sacked along with L&M, did he?
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Looks like he's still on, thank god lol
Is this a reference to something?
Ristifer
Member
Arrested Development-style narration.
Lord Fagan
Junior Member
All this talk about creative vision.
The only creative vision that matters, apparently, is Lawrence Kasdan's and Kathleen Kennedy's.
Star Wars movies are like Marvel films, where directors are treated like factory foreman to marshal a cast and crew to deliver a product on spec, not to play auteur in a multi-billion dollar transmedia universe.
Ron Howard is an experienced, charismatic director that works well with actors and is well liked by studio types for his proven ability to play ball. That's why they picked him. His creativity comes into play if it can deliver the movie the producers want cheaper or faster than projected, and at this stage in the game, that's definitely a major plus for bringing him onboard.
The only creative vision that matters, apparently, is Lawrence Kasdan's and Kathleen Kennedy's.
Star Wars movies are like Marvel films, where directors are treated like factory foreman to marshal a cast and crew to deliver a product on spec, not to play auteur in a multi-billion dollar transmedia universe.
Ron Howard is an experienced, charismatic director that works well with actors and is well liked by studio types for his proven ability to play ball. That's why they picked him. His creativity comes into play if it can deliver the movie the producers want cheaper or faster than projected, and at this stage in the game, that's definitely a major plus for bringing him onboard.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
I think Arrested Development.
Maybe it's just as simple as not wanting his legacy at Lucasfilm to be "directed Willow" for the rest of his life!
But given the tepid reception that the most recent Dan Brown adaptation had, it's not a bad idea for him to get his foot in the door on a globally popular franchise that's actually on the rise. Given his history with both the company and the man himself, he's actually pretty much vertically integrated as it is, which is an asset for him even in the face of how much of a cold streak he's been on in the past decade or so.
He (often hilariously) narrates Arrested Development.
GitarooMan
Member
Ron Howard has done a lot of good stuff we'll see. Obviously a tough situation to wade into.
KernelPanic
Member
Hopefully this doesn't end up like Donner being replaced on Superman 2.
Dash_Riprock
Member
I hope it does in the sense that one day we get a cut that tries to approximate L&M's original vision.
Chained Prometheus
Member
As mad as I am about the news on Lord & Miller getting fired, I can begrudgingly get KK's motivations for doing so and Opie will do a solid job finishing shooting and reshoots for the film.
That being said, I think it's a little nuts that Lucasfilm still wants this film to come out in May. It's obviously doable, but bumping it back to December would give them way more time to make sure everything's working.
That being said, I think it's a little nuts that Lucasfilm still wants this film to come out in May. It's obviously doable, but bumping it back to December would give them way more time to make sure everything's working.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Despite him making plenty of movies I enjoy, I'm old enough that I still think "Ritchie Cunningham" whenever he appears.
ryutaro's mama
Member
No problem.
Now I see why we were kinda talking in circles around each other.
Everything you are saying is a much larger inherent risk than telling new stories about old favorites.
Let me be clear, I would love to see a non OT direct influenced SW movie but the business aspect compells LFL to go with what is familiar.
Yet here on this very forum,a movie called AVATAR that had an 82% RT is shit on relentlessly and somehow, in those discussions, critical consensus doesn't mean shit.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
If this movie turns out great, it will be because of L&M. If it turns out terrible, it will be all RH's fault. I feel for him in some ways.
I look forward to years of haters telling everybody about how L&M's non-existent Han Solo movie was better than the one that was released.
I look forward to years of haters telling everybody about how L&M's non-existent Han Solo movie was better than the one that was released.
Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
Apparently you can and Lord & Miller did. Good luck to Howard in his attempt to clean up their mess.
I think the more important thing for the studio here is that pretty much everyone likes Ron Howard as a person. If you have to mess with a production - cast and crew - so far in production, you want to bring someone in that can get get everyone on board.
I think he's more than capable of that.
Also, Star Wars is so different than other franchises. Fans expect it to stick to canon through all media ... Directors have to understand they are playing in a shared sandbox, so there are rules. I don't blame them for getting fired - nothing wrong with trying to get your vision made, but I don't blame Kennedy for doing her job of shepherding the property; that's her job.
I think he's more than capable of that.
Also, Star Wars is so different than other franchises. Fans expect it to stick to canon through all media ... Directors have to understand they are playing in a shared sandbox, so there are rules. I don't blame them for getting fired - nothing wrong with trying to get your vision made, but I don't blame Kennedy for doing her job of shepherding the property; that's her job.
VaultBoy101
Member
Yes, he won Best Director and Best Picture for A Beautiful Mind...in the same year the following films were also released:
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Moulin Rouge!
Mulholland Dr.
Ghost World
This does not make him a particularly gifted filmmaker.
VistraNorrez
Member
Willow is fine. Nothing to be embarrassed about. But his overall filmmakjng legacy is fine, he directed Apollo 13. All those Dan Brown movies can't erase that.
Chained Prometheus
Member
I'm only 24 myself, but my parents raised me on The Andy Griffith Show. So even though I've seen a number of RH's films, the man will always be "Opie" to me. lol
VistraNorrez
Member
I doubt anyone will blame Howard if the movie is terrible. And least of all anyone in Hollywood. They all understand the shit he is walking into.
He won't get much credit here if it's good either though. That's why I think they will give him some first looks at upcoming Star Wars Stories.
Hank Solo?
On principle, I see nothing wrong with directors getting canned for making a different movie than the studio expected.
What I don't understand is how Kennedy, as involved as we're led to believe she is, didn't know this particular movie had veered so widely until now.
Either way, I will probably enjoy the film and have no concerns about it. I enjoyed Rogue One very much after all that reshoot drama. And a Han Solo origin story hardly seems like the place to try out a Star Wars comedy. Love the idea of a Star Wars comedy, just not in this particular context.
What I don't understand is how Kennedy, as involved as we're led to believe she is, didn't know this particular movie had veered so widely until now.
Either way, I will probably enjoy the film and have no concerns about it. I enjoyed Rogue One very much after all that reshoot drama. And a Han Solo origin story hardly seems like the place to try out a Star Wars comedy. Love the idea of a Star Wars comedy, just not in this particular context.
Cross-Section
Member
And here's EW straight-up going with the "they thought they were making a comedy" angle:
I get the feeling that the extras may be surprisingly light for the blu-ray/digital release.
I get the feeling that the extras may be surprisingly light for the blu-ray/digital release.
Lifejumper
Member
Isnt IX shooting in January? Might be too much shit on her plate.
Skellig Gra
Member
In what world is Fellowship of the Ring not a good movie? Mulholland Dr is also excellent albeit a bit too weird to win any real awards.
How many more times must this image be posted.
I bet he has been offered points on the movie's gross, because there's really very little reason someone of Howard's profile would otherwise come on to finish somebody else's work.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
So how come Rian Johnson is saying that he felt free while making Ep8, but Gareth Edwards and Lord/Miller were under strict control by Kennedy?
I was watching the behind the scenes footage of Rogue One yesterday, and Edwards looks uncomfortable, as well does Kennedy look very manic and frightening.
So much for creative freedom at Lucasfilm I guess...
I was watching the behind the scenes footage of Rogue One yesterday, and Edwards looks uncomfortable, as well does Kennedy look very manic and frightening.
So much for creative freedom at Lucasfilm I guess...
Ristifer
Member
The competition doesn't make A Beautiful Mind any less of an accomplishment on its own. That's not really how it works.
If he saves the film and it makes a billion, dude is adding to an already excellent career.
Skellig Gra
Member
That and I'm sure they made him quite a good offer to come save the day.
Plus, as mentioned, hiring Ron fucking Howard - a really nice guy and solid director - is going to offset any worries of a troubled production. Dude is as safe a pair of hands as you can get.
VaultBoy101
Member
That's my point. All of those films are higher in quality than A Beautiful Mind, as history has now proven by the level of remembrance/reverence shown to them.
Or, to put it more bluntly, holding an Oscar in each hand does not a master director make.
Solid choice if I'm reading situation correctly. This is about someone with enough experience who's solid enough to make sure the film comes together in a short time. There's not that many options around.
A truly individual director simply isn't going to be interested nor likely have the right temperament for such a situation.
This clearly a "safe pair of hands" choice not an artistic one.
A truly individual director simply isn't going to be interested nor likely have the right temperament for such a situation.
This clearly a "safe pair of hands" choice not an artistic one.