RustyNails
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Trump is the sunken place. Everyone in that godforsaken administration has lost the ability to think.
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Trump to widow of dead Sargent: 'He knew what he signed up for'
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She is a democratic congressman.
Bill Orielly - It was a setup
Fox - She should be grateful the president called when he didn't have to
- If is your fault that you misinterpreted him.
I'm not just talking about Kelly. I'm saying how, pray tell, are you going to remove Trump if he ends up with supporters in charge of all military branches and government offices?
Imagine if Rosenstein outright resigned because he decided it was immoral to work for Trump, giving Trump the perfect excuse to appoint someone else who will fire Mueller.
He could indeed "go OFF on Trump", which would be in the news for a few days or a week, and then be buried under the next idiotic thing Trump does a week later, as has been happening for the last 10 months. "going off" / "going ham" / "going in" on Trump has not worked all the way from before the election until now, and it's not going to suddenly start working.
If Kelly quits then Trump can then immediately appoint someone even worse who won't even consider trying to stop a nuclear strike.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
None of that matters now, to be honest.
I'm starting to agree more and more with this sentiment.
This idea that he's (Kelly) in a position to dilute the madness that is the Trump presidency is beyond naive. It's a great story to help you fall asleep at night but the reality is that he's just as complacent in the sabotage as any other goon in the administration.
From the last presser on, he's chosen to normalize the indefensible, align his stories in an ill attempt to collaborate Trump's lies, and sweep under the rug any other loose ends that might unravel into larger concerns.
sir_kevith
Member
Trump sees Kelly as one of his possessions. He said "all I can do is ask my generals," When he clearly threw Kelly under the bus to avoid responsibility for the fallout from the call.
Fuck Kelly. His career will end in disgrace. All that time served in the military and he throws it all away to protect Trump. Once all this shit is in the history books, no one can cry "Fake news!". He won't be remembered for his service to the country but as a willing chief of staff to the worst modern president.
Fuck Kelly. His career will end in disgrace. All that time served in the military and he throws it all away to protect Trump. Once all this shit is in the history books, no one can cry "Fake news!". He won't be remembered for his service to the country but as a willing chief of staff to the worst modern president.
Saint Gregory
Member
I just listened to some of what Kelly had to say, as much as I could stomach, and he complains that Congresswoman Wilson was listening in on the call as if she was eavesdropping. The call was on speaker and they were in a moving car, did he expect her to roll out as the call began?
It didn't matter before either. I can think of one hundred things to say to someone who's lost a loved one and "... well they knew the risks" would never be one of those things. Even if Kelly did share that with Trump he should know him well enough by to know that he can't handle conveying the nuance of that kind of message to someone else, much less a war widow.
ClosingADoor
Member
At this point Kelly has to literally slap the nuclear button out of Trumps tiny hands one day and thereby saving the world if he wants any chance to redeem himself.
Kadin
Member
I just listened to some of it as well. Did he say something along the lines of women used to sacred but are no longer? I swear I heard that but have to believe I interpreted it incorrectly.
edit: just listened to it again and that's what he said but didn't use it in the context of what I thought.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Kelly actually said Obamas didnt call him when his son died? My God.
sir_kevith
Member
I think he was talking about Weinstein allegations or something who knows?
sir_kevith
Member
He also said he didn't fault him for that and suggested Trump shouldn't call.
Edit: My God.
test_account
XP-39C²
Well, its a matter of intentions. But yeah, its now said (if that is what you mean?).
Intentions matter. Not going to argue that this was poor choice of words from what i've read though, i agree with that.
Meus Renaissance
Member
How does the idea that Obama didn't call every single Gold Star family validate the claim that he didn't call any grieving families?
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Saint Gregory
Member
On that point I honestly don't believe that Trump intended to offend Mrs. Johnson but I think that it should be clear by now that for whatever reason he's lacking in basic human empathy and awareness necessary to do his job. No one should have to tell a grown man to remember the name of family he's calling to give condolences or to remember not to blame dead soldiers for their own deaths. These are basic communication skills that every human innately possesses, like understanding personal space when you're speaking face to face with someone. The fact that Trump has repeatedly had these kinds of foibles should be a giant red flag to anyone that supports him that maybe there's something wrong with him and he's not fit for this office.
test_account
XP-39C²
Thats fair enough. Reading some of the comments, i thought maybe it was being interpreted that he ment this is a downward tone (basically a "he knew what he was getting in to, get over it" kinda thing), so i just wanted to comment on that. Things in written form can also sound a lot harder than when its being spoken. But again, not a good choice of words from Trump in this case, i agree with that.
theignoramus
Member
Erin Burnett is going in on Kelly's attack of Rep. Wilson today.
Good. It was nauseating to hear it.
Good. It was nauseating to hear it.
Link
The Autumn Wind
It makes me feel better that he must be completely aware that she's shit on and burned his entire reputation. For Donald Fucking Trump. Enjoy those awkward conversations for the rest of your miserable life, you piece of shit.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
I wonder if Kelly threw up after he said what he said
jellies_two
Member
What's with Kelly saying America doesn't have anything worth saving and dying for now, versus when he was younger and women were respected, etc etc.
Is part of his mind trying to escape from his skull or signal to the world that he is stuck covering for a divisive lunatic ?
Is part of his mind trying to escape from his skull or signal to the world that he is stuck covering for a divisive lunatic ?
What does this even mean?
jellies_two
Member
Apparently he said something peculiar:
https://twitter.com/rmasher2/status/921108281568800768
Reported by lots of people. Full quote includes reference to soldiers serving to protect values that don't exist today in America.
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/921105799090491392
NYR
Member
One could argue he gets neutered next November in the mid term elections and becomes a lame duck president. He then spends a year campaigning, so you could only be looking at one more effective year and two write-off years.
Link
The Autumn Wind
You know what? Good. Kelly deserves everything he has to endure for being Trump's monkey. And that includes having his own son's death cheapened and used so Trump can brag about how superior he is. This is exactly what he signed up for.
I agree with you. Except for the borderline part
rokkerkory
Member
Let's stop talking about Trump's remarks... let's talk Trump's lack of remarks on why these soldiers died in first place
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
A very interesting point made in this thread.
https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/921182603167887361
Whether he intended to or not, he clearly messed up on that call and yet no attempt to rectify it by anyone at the WH.
https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/921182603167887361
Whether he intended to or not, he clearly messed up on that call and yet no attempt to rectify it by anyone at the WH.
FreedomFighter
Member
Reminds me of how Black soldiers were treated when they came back from war - fought for the country but still second class citizens. Stand for that anthem though.
And no, I think Trump would've been more cordial if this was a while soldier. One Black life means nothing to him.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Kelly can fuck right off. What a shameful stooge of a man.
Saint Gregory
Member
That entire thread was so painful to read, there were a lot of details about the attack that I hadn't read. I feel so bad for all of the soldiers.
That seems to be the fatal flaw in his administration. It's okay to screw up, but for god's sake take some responsibility for something.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
FUCKK MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
He does know that Wilson was a family friend, right? Like, fuck man. Pay attention for two seconds.
Disgusted by Kelly's behavior this afternoon frankly. And pretty much putting a stamp of approval on using the death of his son as a political football.
Hilarious though that he flat out confirmed Trump lied. The words said (He knew what he was getting into) were real, just said with Trump's total lack of human empathy, are exactly what Trump said he didn't say, and what reportedly upset the family on the phone.
And then Kelly tries to put all the blame on the Democratic Congresswoman, when Trump even lied on previous Presidents never calling before him which he has to know is patently false.
Just nauseating.
Hilarious though that he flat out confirmed Trump lied. The words said (He knew what he was getting into) were real, just said with Trump's total lack of human empathy, are exactly what Trump said he didn't say, and what reportedly upset the family on the phone.
And then Kelly tries to put all the blame on the Democratic Congresswoman, when Trump even lied on previous Presidents never calling before him which he has to know is patently false.
Just nauseating.
BlastProcessing
Member
There is no way in a million years he could produce the name of the woman he talked to on that "very personal call" without help. No fucking way.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Holy fucking shit what a garbage pathetic motherfucking piece of dickcheese
Saint Gregory
Member
We already know what's going on here. it's been said for years and reemphasized in Comey's testimony; Trump demands total loyalty. I'm actually surprised that Tillerson is still around after he refused to lie to the press about calling Trump a moron.
HerbertBirdsfoot
Member
Maybe the spouse should tell off Trump herself. On Twitter. No congresswoman. No press. Just her. Call him out on his lying and disrespect and get it out.
Cant blame media or politician. Just widow vs lying sociopath president.
Cant blame media or politician. Just widow vs lying sociopath president.