How many of them really do?
Just scores political points with the overwhelming majority of Americans. This goes for Democrats as well.
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Trump widens his lead over closest GOP rival (NBC/WSJ poll)
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How many of them really do?
Just scores political points with the overwhelming majority of Americans. This goes for Democrats as well.
I'm going to have a giant bag of popcorn with the GOP candidates' names on it
(along with a few GAF names as well)
It will be buttery and delicious.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Make no mistake, if the GOP could have their way we would have Rubio and Kasich as Pres/VP ticket.
Kasich is almost positive with Democrats in favorable ratings. Rubio is doing well with independents. They are both popular in their home swing states of Florida and Ohio.
Kasich is almost positive with Democrats in favorable ratings. Rubio is doing well with independents. They are both popular in their home swing states of Florida and Ohio.
Funky Papa
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Lest not forget that establishment Republicans were dead certain about Romney until the last ballot.
They are blind and inhabit their own private dimension.
Make no mistake, if the GOP could have their way we would have Rubio and Kasich as Pres/VP ticket.
Kasich is almost positive with Democrats in favorable ratings. Rubio is doing well with independents. They are both popular in their home swing states of Florida and Ohio.
That would have been a super strong ticket for the general, would have mimicked Obama/Biden.
Oh well.
Funky Papa
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This is the GOP. Everybody is a communist socialist pinko to them these days. That word has lost most of its meaning. I'm not even sure it was thrown around so casually during the MccArthy era.
Make no mistake, if the GOP could have their way we would have Rubio and Kasich as Pres/VP ticket.
Kasich is almost positive with Democrats in favorable ratings. Rubio is doing well with independents. They are both popular in their home swing states of Florida and Ohio.
It would've been a fantastic ticket for Republicans.
Oh well.
Aaronology
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That's certainly what a lot of Sanders supporters keep telling me. "It'll be fiiiine, Americans don't actually care about socialism anymore. The GOP calls everyone that. Does anyone even remember the Cold War these days?" and so on. And we're supposed to forget that the difference is the claim would actually stick to Bernie and, unlike Obama before him, wouldn't be denied full stop.
Obama was and still is decried as a secret Muslim, and he won two terms anyway. But do you think his chances of getting elected would have been the same if those attacks were actually true?
JesseEwiak
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This is the thing Sanders hardcore fans don't get. It's one thing to be accused of fucking a goat. It's another thing for to be there hours of videos of you fucking multiple goats and taking a vacation at a goat fucking resort.
It's incredible. He looks like a stereotypical slimy politican.
Funky Papa
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Well, first of all, Sanders' platform is firmly Social Democrat, not Socialist.
Secondly, I think those attacks -just like the allegations of Obama being a secret muslim- will mostly work among Republicans, and they are largely a lost cause to the Dem camp anyway. I'm not fully convinced they'd scare off enough liberal leaning voters to ruin his chances, but I guess that's up to debate.
Hillary probably has it much rougher. I don't know if she could be more competitive than Sanders once the attack ads would start rolling, but the hate towards her and the Clinton name makes the GOP crazier than a bag of wet cats. They really have it for her.
PS: I need directions for the goat fucking resort. Sounds... soothing.
He does. But the thing is, Trump is rich, a celebrity and really doesn't care if he wins or loses. If he loses, he's just gonna say " O well, I don't give a shit", then go film a new TV show. Cruz on the other hand, looks like he would poison his own mother just to stay in the headlines.
RPGCrazied
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Man, that would be really hilarious if the UK bans Trump from entering their country. They vote on the 18th. The salt would be real.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Seeing Trump in the lead isn't surprising.... but what is surprising in Cruz over Rubio... Cruz is so awful in every way... I mean so is Rubio.. but at least Rubio can speak.
RPGCrazied
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Cruz is a bible thumper. We don't need that in the white house, in my opinion.
Nakkilokki
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Is there a single good candidate in the whole race? Democrat or Republican?
America is a weird country, when only more or less shitty people seem to run for president.
Fixed! All things will be great under overlord Trump.
BlueTsunami
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Where are the people that said he'd be a flash in the pan? Are there people still believing he won't be nominated?
RustyNails
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Her popularity is not sky high because she has been in the public eye for 30 years. She has a massive political baggage with her. This is why she is polling worse against Trump or Cruz who are polling generic R at the moment. Bernie is also polling as generic D. Honestly the general population doesn't care for the primary season and the theatrics it brings along, so once things settle down and if Bernie is the nominee he will get chewed and spit by the GOP and the mainstream media in general. At this point people dont know about Cruz' comments about spanking Hillary or Rubio's regressive stance on women's rights or Ben Carson and his granaries.
vicissitudes
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Yeah Bernie doesn't have a chance once the GOP starts their attack ads!
Remember when Trump was briefly leading but then Bush spent $53 million on attack ads which effectively ended Trump's candidacy?
Remember when Trump was briefly leading but then Bush spent $53 million on attack ads which effectively ended Trump's candidacy?
JesseEwiak
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I agree. Money can't change the minds of hardcore supporters. But, it can do a number on swing voters, who are important in an general election, instead of a low turnout primary.
Clockwork5
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The thing is this consultant seems to be writing him off in the general election. You may think Trump is a scumbag, and it's hard to argue he isn't, but the democrats better not laugh him off or he will be our next President.
gutter_trash
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the sad part is that Jeb! will probably stick around until the very last minute thinking he still has a chance
Man, I absolutely cannot wait for Trump to wipe the floor with his inept crazy co-candidates.
...Mainly because the democrat will win in a victorious landslide. Even Sanders, who in a normal election would be pretty unlikely to win an election, would run rings around Trump in the General Election.
...Mainly because the democrat will win in a victorious landslide. Even Sanders, who in a normal election would be pretty unlikely to win an election, would run rings around Trump in the General Election.
$5.5 million on Benghazi alone.
Aaronology
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Fair enough, Papa. You seem to have a great deal more faith in Americans than I do. Enough to attempt arguing the difference between "democratic socialist" and "socialist" would matter to most people in this country. I am not nearly as optimistic about my countrymen being able to discern the difference, or caring to.
Clinton absolutely has baggage, and that will certainly be a factor. But the kitchen sink has already been thrown at her by the GOP. They've rabidly hated her since the 90s, and she's still here. I don't have to guess whether she has the mettle to endure a GOP hailstorm; She's been doing so practically her entire political career. With Bernie there's just a question mark. I want to have faith that the inevitable "SOCIALIST!" attacks wouldn't matter, but I don't. The rise of Trump has shown everyone that a good swath of this country's voting populace ain't shit.
Clockwork5
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Have you learned nothing?
Leona Lewis
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gutter_trash
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I mean what's better in the long run, internment camps and refugee hunts, or an overseas preemptive strike benefiting no one but galaxy-size conglomerates?
I guess it's lose-lose
OrangeGrayBlue
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Trump could not win a general election. He is already understood to be a joke among anyone who isn't a republican and even quite a few who are (even if those few can not cobble together a majority of the party). My mother, for instance, has reliably voted republican for decades and backs Ted Cruz in the primary. She hates Hillary Clinton. If the general election is between Clinton and Trump, though, she said she's not voting. My grandma is more of an Eisenhower republican (as far as I can tell, anyway) and she would vote for Hillary if Trump or Cruz are the nominees.
It's been said before that Trump has a high floor and a low ceiling and I think that's 100% accurate. I think history will find that 2004 was the last year you could run as a Southern Strategy Republican and win an election. Obama's high turnout in 2008 probably jump started that trend a bit, but demographic changes would have eventually made it an inevitability. I don't think any republican candidate can win a general election until the party totally reinvents itself. The GOP even acknowledged this after the loss in 2012, but instead decided to double down on courting the crazies, despite demographics skewing even further against their favor this time around.
Here's a fun statistic: for the first time in American history, white voters are poised to represent less than 70% of the electorate this November. The GOP is fucked.
Xisiqomelir
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Canadians can't be president anyway.
Aaronology
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A year ago you would have been laughed out of a thread to even suggest he could win a primary. And yet here we are...
31 Governor seats.
54 Senators.
246 Representatives.
An election away from completely controlling the US Government... but they're fucked?
you forgot the 27 combined state control
Clockwork5
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I mean the Trump/Clinton national polls are within the margin of error, but ok. I hope the Democratic Party doesn't just ride the wave of the Obama turnout the way you seem too. That isn't happening for Sanders or Clinton.
This "fucked" GOP controls the House, Senate and governs 31 of our states.
It's a simple math problem for the GOP. Unless minorities wake up election day and decide Trump isn't actually the worst thing for them, he can't win. If anything, his presence on the ticket ensures they go out and vote against him. I'm willing to bet you'd see more voter turnout if he got the nomination compared to anyone else. More voter turnout will always be bad for the GOP, and the flip side of this explains why they do well in non-presidential elections.
JesseEwiak
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I agree with you on the latter, but the Trump/Clintion polls are within the margin of error because 42-43% of each side would vote for one of the two major parties if they literally nominated a pedophile Satanist who killed a woman during their acceptance speech.
So, if Clinton leads Trump only 45-41, it's not really a big deal. And that's been the vast majority of the polls showing things close. But even then, one percentage point in a national election is a hell of a lot of people.
Clockwork5
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They don't just poll white, male, primary voters in the national election polls. They poll everyone. Some of them don't even ask if you are a republican or democrat because it can be seen as a leading question.
All I am saying is be careful because there are very real reasons this all could go very well for Trump and I'm being told to settle down.
Edit: I think I just discovered the Trump paradox. If you take him seriously, you are not taken seriously.
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