Yekshemesh
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These are also the same people who told us "it's not going to be that bad" and "give Trump a chance", fuck these people.
At no point did I ever "apologize" for nazis. The fact that me questioning the value of vigilante violence gets me labeled a nazi sympathizer is pretty disturbing.
And sure, I'll bring this up with Trump over dinner tonight! I definitely have direct contact with the president or anyone he knows. *rollseyes*
I mean, yeah. I agree. But I don't understand how you get from there to the conclusion that vigilante violence is going to help defeat the white-supremacist/neonazi wing of the current republican party. Widespread violence in which neonazis appear to be the victims rather than the instigators seems far more likely to cause so-called-moderates to rally around the currently flailing and historically unpopular Trump administration.
To clarify, I'm not saying you should never punch a nazi. I'm saying nazi punching is not a viable platform, and advocating its widespread adoption seems likely to backfire.
2 out of 3 pageresults are german. Thats amusing.
They are the ones marching out in makeshift suits of armor with swords and shields, why don't you go tell that to them! Literally go fucking tell them that not people who peacefully protest considering defending themselves.
If you're arguing that this situation is analogous to WWII and we must do the same here to defeat naziism, I don't see how you can be against shooting them on sight. I mean if you're really not willing to acknowledge any differences you sort of have to follow up with it the same way.
What the "violence isn't the answer" people are afraid to REALLY say is "Minorities, please try and deal with it longer."
This is my point. Nazism wasn't defeated with words, it was defeated with violence. Was that violence a horrible thing that I wish never had to happen? Yes. Was it necessary? Yes. Sometimes in history words aren't enough to do what is right. It would be great if all it took was a good speech and counter protests for nazis to see why they are wrong but that isn't the case.
Just a reminder, because it's getting lost in all of this, that part of the reason things got so violent yesterday are the cops, who ain't shit either and are borderline complicit in white supremacy.
White supremacists post up against riot line... With no consequence.
This is the system at work.
Ban nazi speech.
Ban nazis from gathering.
Ban people from being nazis.
Wing?
Crazy that this is the first result. No one should get their news from FacebookSo I searched "Antifa" on Facebook just now, because I'm quite uneducated as to what that means.
The first result I see from Facebook's "news"
Wait, you actually thought I was implying he'd face prison time for a forum post? The "you" was meant in general terms, meaning, anyone who is willing to act out what he advocates will accomplish nothing more than receiving a prison sentence. Surprised you didn't call out my use of the word "enjoy" too. Sheesh.
So you believe the answer is to gun down every member of every gathering?
Ban nazi speech.
Ban nazis from gathering.
Ban people from being nazis.
and you actually think that people will start going around killing alt-righters/nazis/whatever?
come on.
Crazy that this is the first result. No one shouod get their news from Facebook
Ban nazi speech.
Ban nazis from gathering.
Ban people from being nazis.
Unfortunately, none of this will ever happen in the United States.
and you actually think that people will start going around killing alt-righters/nazis/whatever?
come on.
So you believe we should wait for the ethnic cleansing to start before we do anything?
So you believe the answer is to gun down every member of every gathering?
Edit woops I agreeIf you're arguing that this situation is analogous to WWII and we must do the same here to defeat naziism, I don't see how you can be against shooting them on sight. I mean if you're really not willing to acknowledge any differences you sort of have to follow up with it the same way.
Nope. There's a big list of anythings that occupy the space between "nothing" and "gunning down."
I also notice neither of you have answered the question.
A deeply unpopular candidate lost against another deeply unpopular candidate, and he has a historically unpopular administration that so busy fighting with itself and its own party that it is incapable of pursing any major reforms. Political power in America is also much more distributed than it was in pre-Nazi germany. So the idea that the time for political action has passed is completely absurd.
Yes, it is a disgrace that he was elected and yes, our country is deeply and insidiously racist. You also have people in this thread literally advocating for rounding people up and shooting them in the head. Both of these things should bother you. The former more than the latter, sure, but also the latter.
Actually... He was beaten at the ballot box
So I searched "Antifa" on Facebook just now, because I'm quite uneducated as to what that means.
The first result I see from Facebook's "news"
and you actually think that people will start going around killing alt-righters/nazis/whatever?
come on.
What would you do to stop Nazism?If you really think murdering people is the solution, start now or you are a hypocrite
Violence isn't the answer.
I don't know, are you planning to murder someone? You know America didn't kill all the nazis right? After the war it gave them jobs. You can't kill all the nazis just like cant kill every Islamic terrorist. Things don't work that way. If I saw a nazi prick doing something to someone I'd have no bones about beating the shit out of him, I'm not saying we need to 'Understand' them but murder is not how to combat an ideology from within. I don't know the answer but I'm not going to kill terry from down the street because he believes Jews control the worldWhat would you do to stop Nazism?
What would you do to stop Nazism?
If their actions warranted a physical response (attacking someone), then so be it. If it means their life is over, that's ok too.I don't know, are you planning to murder someone? You know America didn't kill all the nazis right? After the war it gave them jobs. You can't kill all the nazis just like cant kill every Islamic terrorist. Things don't work that way. If I saw a nazi prick doing something to someone I'd have no bones about beating the shit out of him, I'm not saying we need to 'Understand' them but murder is not how to combat an ideaomigy from within
Let me guess, your way of fighting back against these people is with motivational speeches and peaceful counter protests right?
Suppose you've exterminated all current openly avowed Nazis. Then what? You go after people who could become one in the future because they fit some profile just be extra sure they never come back? Do you go after their families in case they want to avenge their brother/father/cousin? You're not thinking any of this through clearly, it's pure emotional reaction.
So you believe we should wait for the ethnic cleansing to start before we do anything?
Suppose you've exterminated all current openly avowed Nazis. Then what? You go after people who could become one in the future because they fit some profile just be extra sure they never come back? Do you go after their families in case they want to avenge their brother/father/cousin? You're not thinking any of this through clearly, it's pure emotional reaction.
Forcing the other side to defend the extreme form of their position before one can accept their actual, less extreme ideology is the death of discourse.
Yup. I was on Facebook and saw someone I know arguing wih a gay black guy about how this whole thing is no different from people gathering for pride.I need to stay off Twitter. I'm itching for a fight. Can't tell if it's just testosterone.
EDIT: To be clear, I'm basically talking about tweeting back at alt-right people.
Can I ask what good are comparisons to WWII if not to encourage killing the enemy? I think you recognize there actually is a difference between the current situation and a full on war, and that is an area where folks can actually discuss things without either side accusing the other of being a nazi sympathizer. Some people hate nazis as much as you or anyone else but honestly and truly believe violence in this situation leads to an even worse outcome. You can disagree but that doesn't mean they like nazis.
I mean, yeah? Some people in this thread seem to be taking it very seriously and very literally. I am worried that if murderous rhetoric gets tossed around so casually, then yes, someone will actually act on it.
I hope not but openly advocating such is unnecessary and does nothing to further reasonable discourse; it's nothing but trash-talk.