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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS Summer 2014, Wii U Winter 2014
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
- Start date
I might confusing correlation for causation, yet I see no causation in your post.
A Nintendo fan that has a 3ds has less incentive to buy a NSMBU, a SM3DW, a DKC:TF or a SSB4 and even a Wii U for all these games when (s)he has access earlier to cheaper similar games (and also being of a good quality) and probably already played all of those games.
A Nintendo fan without a 3ds or a Wii U have the option of a cheaper handheld to play a very good (and cheaper) version of SSB4 5 months earlier than the excellent (and more expensive) version for which s(he) needs to buy a much more expensive console.
A Nintendo fan that owns both 3ds and Wii U will probably buy both versions of SSB4.
Still seeing just correlation?
ImpassionateGods
Member
What are the major differences besides graphics? I don't want to spend the money on both unless it's really worth it.
Schnozberry
Member
Stages are very different. Rosters are the same.
Apophis2036
Banned
I wouldn't be surprised if the WiiU version had one or two extra new characters to encourage people to double dip.
The 3DS has an exclusive multiplayer mode. The Wii U will likely have one too.
Schnozberry
Member
I really don't see the problem with the release disparity. Playing the 3DS version will probably just make me want to play the game in glorious 1080p.
I am simply speaking of games that will drive people to buy the system. I am aware there are other games between the release of Mario Kart 8 and the now winter bound Smash Bros. Which is the game you mention? I know there is one now, but can't remember which one outside of the One Piece one?
Sadly, this part is true. I do love Nintendo, but is hard not seeing them try to get games in general (outside of indie games, which I do like though). Still, they did let a year go buy without trying to establish some games. They should had revive their sport titles like they had in the SNES/64 days to combat the lack of sport titles from EA/2K.
Still, I'll get buy with my PS3 and Wii U. The PS3 I got just this christmas, so have a huge collection of games to chose from while waiting for the Wii U releases.
theprodigy
Member
So Sakurai actually trolled everyone when he said the two games would have the same characters?
perfectchaos007
Member
He was crossing his fingers. Or, any DLC exclusive characters for Wii U doesn't count.
Based on what exactly? How is this a guaranteed factor put into consideration? Especially considering the evidence within the GAF user base which suggests to the contrary?
I'd really like someone to break it down, point for point, exactly how 3DS will be magically "enough".
EDIT: And also.... I'm pretty sure that discussing the things people expect from the series and how they would want to play it actually DOES matter in a conversation like this.
OH.... so it's based entirely on what you personally define a system seller and nothing else matters. Gotcha. Should have figured as much.
theprodigy
Member
hold up
do you honestly believe that there are not a significant number of people in the broader market who would be satisfied with a 3DS version?
ESPECIALLY in Japan
You didn't address my question. Don't try to dodge it by making it seem like I'm being illogical. If I am, then you have some evidence to show me, since you must have based this opinion on SOMETHING factual. Otherwise, it's just your opinion and you can leave the conversation about who is and isn't right alone. Especially when you're dismissing actual merits for such an opinion to merely have the argument without bothering to defend it.
I think they would just say Winter instead of Winter 2014 if there was a chance it would go to next year.
Raonak
Banned
Very strange decesion. Can't help but think this will caniballize potential WiiU sales from people who might burn out on the 3DS version before the WiiU one comes out.
Would've made more sense to release WiiU version first, then 3DS, since 3DS doesn't really need that much help selling systems.
Funny you say that since PSASBR was cross-buy, so you'd get both console and handheld versions for the price of one.
Would've made more sense to release WiiU version first, then 3DS, since 3DS doesn't really need that much help selling systems.
Funny you say that since PSASBR was cross-buy, so you'd get both console and handheld versions for the price of one.
DanteGhost
Member
This is a hype killer for me. There is no way I'm getting the 3DS version, as I feel Smash is meant for a home-console because of the controls. I really wanted to have both MK8 and Smash on WiiU before September.
Now is just MK8 day one and no Smash, since I'm expecting to spend my gaming budget this fall on games for my PS4. Way to kill WiiU software sales Nintendo.
Now is just MK8 day one and no Smash, since I'm expecting to spend my gaming budget this fall on games for my PS4. Way to kill WiiU software sales Nintendo.
On the other hand, unless it has local download play me a and my friends are going to buy a copy each, and hen at least one is going to buy the WiiU version.
SoraanTribal
Member
I'm a little perplexed by this. I mean, I always found it a bit odd they even had a 3DS version of the game to begin with since the Wii U desperately needed that "big" game to draw in a lot of consoles sales. But then to release the 3DS version months ahead of the Wii U version? Seems like this would negatively impact the Wii U version's sales because people might get their fill of the game on the 3DS. I mean, yeah there's new stages, but is that really a big deal? The core gameplay will be mostly the same. And the 3DS version has that extra mode that sounds really cool. I'm kind of annoyed the Wii U version doesn't have that.
Well, yes.
You're making a case that the 3DS inherently has an overall negative impact on Wii U software/hardware sales. That is reasonable enough, although I would be reluctant to agree. You specifically implied, though, that three games with franchise presence on both the 3DS and the Wii U failed to sell well on the latter because of the former. That's completely baseless, however, and partly for reasons I already listed. What about all the other games that failed to sell all that well on the Wii U? How come two of those three games have solid relative performance? What about the numerous examples of Nintendo franchises with both a handheld and console presence that do incredibly well on both platforms generation to generation, ranging from Mario Kart to NSMB?
In general, franchises tend to do better when they've building on previous success. Super Mario 3D World probably wouldn't have sold more if Super Mario 3D Land hadn't been released and gone on to be very successful. They're separate games, and although they share the same core structure, they're also highly distinct from one another. I really doubt many Nintendo fans decided not to buy one because of the other, and there hasn't been a pattern of that kind of behavior in the past. Probably far more impactful to the sales of 3D World was the Wii U's install base, the Wii U's not so great attach rate, and in the same way the console has failed to break through to a mass market, even amazing games released on it have difficulty getting their share of the oxygen in the room. External competition (Sony, Microsoft, Apple, etc.) played a much, much bigger role than internal competition (3DS vs. Wii U), also.
Tropical Freeze suffered from the same problems, of course, but it's an even more obvious example of how attributing sales to the existence of a related 3DS game is overly reductionist. I mean, that exact same game also exists on the Wii, and sold far more on that platform, as well. The reception to TF's reveal was very mixed, and it was delayed past the holiday season. It was never a surprise it didn't sell very well.
So again, this is a case of confusing correlation with causation, and all the Wii U games you listed probably would have done no better (maybe even worse, since the 3DS has been Nintendo's primary contact with a larger audience recently) had the 3DS games you listed not been released. To the extent the 3DS played a role in their sales, I'd say it's more a matter of franchise management (how distinct is this game from that game, what's the demand for another of this kind of game, marketing, etc.) than anything else.
Don't wanna read through this whole thread, but are there any apparent pros for this? I can't really think of anything. The 3DS is already doing pretty well in most regions sold, what's the reason for devaluing the WiiU release, especially when it's not even just a few weeks, but a few months?
Walter Matthau
Member
Only if the Wii U has exclusive features not spoken about in the direct. Nothing seems to be hinting at that so far. There's also a slim possibility that the 3DS version will create new fans who'll want to play a superior version.
The Wii U version will have something else.
And this brings up another thing: local multiplayer. Has it been confirmed that the 3DS game has single-cartridge multiplayer? If it doesn't, Wii U has a significant advantage in that it's primarily a game bought for local multiplayer.
There's also the online play problem. Because the games don't share much in common except the roster, there will not be cross-platform online play on top of everything else.
As a multiplayer game, the 3DS version doesn't seem that attractive compared to Wii U.
It gives the 3DS a heavy hitter in the summer and Nintendo probably sees that as a pro.
Some are underestimating how important the 3DS version is, as well. The Wii U does need more help, but the 3DS is the bigger source of revenue by a significant margin, and it's not in such a position of strength that Nintendo could freely delay one of its flagship titles to 2015 without any costs.
At the company's last shareholder's meeting, Iwata did state that Mario Kart wont be just a one-off boost in momentum. In other words, there will be at least one another big game coming out shortly after it. Nintendo usually avoids releasing games in July, so maybe a late June title or something in August. Perhaps Bayonetta 2 or Hyrule Warriors.
Bayonetta could happen. Hyrule ain't big. Nintendo always hypes their games in order with Smash being next. I hope for a surprise at E3.
Schnozberry
Member
Assuming X and Bayonetta don't release this year, and they have no surprises at E3.
Crazyorloco
Member
Yup. Plus It wouldn't be great press. Now with the 3ds version out first it'll sell millions of copies.
It'll be THE holiday game to get for the Wii u. It'll be the reason to purchase a Wii u. The holidays are a perfect time for this.
Makes sense for me.
Boomstick (Coffee Crazy)
Banned
In this thread, we take a release date that most people already assumed and use it to prove that clearly the Wii U is dead. That is what all the cool kids are doing these days right?
I was honestly surprised that the 3DS will be coming out so soon, but it looks more like it will have minimal content and only have the barebones mechanics of the game. Will it be a sales booster? Most definitely. Will it be enough to completely overshadow the Wii U version? Certainly not. It will likely be a good game that acts more like a taste of the future rather than a overshadowed version of it. I don't recall Gaf losing their minds in thinking that MGS: GZ was basically a paid demo for MGS: PP, and would inevitably mean that the former would canibalize the latter, but then again, since its on PS4, it doesn't matter to Gaf.
Point is, the only thing we really know for sure about the 3DS version when comparing it to the Wii U version is that it has the same roster and items (maybe). It has different stages, "campaign", and likely a bunch of other differences as well. Lets take a moment to actually think about the implications rather than just screaming "Wii U is dead!" at every opportunity, yeah?
I was honestly surprised that the 3DS will be coming out so soon, but it looks more like it will have minimal content and only have the barebones mechanics of the game. Will it be a sales booster? Most definitely. Will it be enough to completely overshadow the Wii U version? Certainly not. It will likely be a good game that acts more like a taste of the future rather than a overshadowed version of it. I don't recall Gaf losing their minds in thinking that MGS: GZ was basically a paid demo for MGS: PP, and would inevitably mean that the former would canibalize the latter, but then again, since its on PS4, it doesn't matter to Gaf.
Point is, the only thing we really know for sure about the 3DS version when comparing it to the Wii U version is that it has the same roster and items (maybe). It has different stages, "campaign", and likely a bunch of other differences as well. Lets take a moment to actually think about the implications rather than just screaming "Wii U is dead!" at every opportunity, yeah?
Crazyorloco
Member
Roster is the same but that's about it. There are a lot of differences. Unique modes, trophies, stages
So you guys think Smash Wii U is going to drop between December 21st and 31st of 2014?
It's gonna be early 2015, probably February or March. If they seriously intend to have this game out before Christmas, they would have said Holiday 2014.
I was so sure it would be out November 21st =/
It's gonna be early 2015, probably February or March. If they seriously intend to have this game out before Christmas, they would have said Holiday 2014.
I was so sure it would be out November 21st =/
Whoa, new avatar. Nice.
I'm seriously thinking this is a pre-Black Friday title. It has to be, right?
EDIT: What else is gonna move systems? Hyrule Warriors?
AcademicSaucer
Member
At e3 we will know if Nintendo has indeed give up on the wii u, but things like this point that way
I don't get it though is the game not far enough along that they can't finish it in another 7 months? And if that's not it, why would they not release this before the holidays? It doesn't make much sense. Even those saying doom and gloom and they're letting the WiiU die off, etc. it still doesn't make any financial sense to not release it before the holidays, even if internally they have admitted the WiiU is done.
Is there any possible silver lining that they have a huge unannounced game they'll reveal at E3 that will be coming out this holiday season? I doubt it though
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Nintendo more or less is letting the Wii U version die pulling this move.
The 3ds is a successful platform despite mobile getting increasingly more powerful with the 3ds having great games and 3rd party support...but the Wii U really needs Smash much more than the 3ds version does, and the 3ds version coming out MONTHS (or even a year if delayed) before the Wii U version is just saying to people "here is Smash Bros! Wait, here is the Wii U version coming at a latter date, and even though we are hyping up the Wii U version you can't play it till latter this year/early 2015....ENJOY!"
If that is what Nintendo wants to do, then stop showing the dam Wii U version and focus more on the 3ds version then :l. That is the version that's coming first, so show more footage of that before advertising the fancy version that is coming months from now.
I really feel bad for Wii U owners in this case, as it feels like Nintendo just doesn't care for them at all by doing this. They need more games coming to that platform due to lack of 3rd parties and 1st party games coming after long droughts of no games, so making that drought longer for the sake of making the version you expect to do better come first is just really messed up.
With all of this in mind, if I'm getting any version of this Smash Bros, its going to be the 3ds version. Not only is it coming sooner and having the same roster, but I know games are coming to the platform (not to mention all the games I missed out on from 2012-2013). I will have a blast with the 3ds version if I get it, and now have no reason to care about the Wii U.
The 3ds is a successful platform despite mobile getting increasingly more powerful with the 3ds having great games and 3rd party support...but the Wii U really needs Smash much more than the 3ds version does, and the 3ds version coming out MONTHS (or even a year if delayed) before the Wii U version is just saying to people "here is Smash Bros! Wait, here is the Wii U version coming at a latter date, and even though we are hyping up the Wii U version you can't play it till latter this year/early 2015....ENJOY!"
If that is what Nintendo wants to do, then stop showing the dam Wii U version and focus more on the 3ds version then :l. That is the version that's coming first, so show more footage of that before advertising the fancy version that is coming months from now.
I really feel bad for Wii U owners in this case, as it feels like Nintendo just doesn't care for them at all by doing this. They need more games coming to that platform due to lack of 3rd parties and 1st party games coming after long droughts of no games, so making that drought longer for the sake of making the version you expect to do better come first is just really messed up
. With all of this in mind, if I'm getting any version of this Smash Bros, its going to be the 3ds version. Not only is it coming sooner and having the same roster, but I know games are coming to the platform (not to mention all the games I missed out on from 2012-2013). I will have a blast with the 3ds version if I get it, and now have no reason to care about the Wii U.
PadWarrior
Member
I'm double dipping anyway so this doesn't bother me.
Mysterious
Banned
So we're going to know the full roster (through the 3DS version) months before the Wii U version is out.
This doesn't feel right.
This doesn't feel right.
Crazyorloco
Member
You were going to know the roster before anyway because of the internet.
Mysterious
Banned
Yeah, but not 6+ months ahead of release.