Samurai G0SU
Member
Where my poll at??
$399
$399
maybe $449 since they are touting Hovis Method, Hdmi 2.1 and Vapor Chamber Cooling thingaMjig
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Project scorpio to be unveiled at E3
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Leyasu
Banned
LOL. You and I could be good friends I think. The only problem for me is the fact that I would only see my kids 1 week in 2. Better than just weekends, but no where enough.
It depends on the games either way. $399 isn't a win if they don't have any new games.
LastChance2Frag
Neo Member
I agree that these are really big gets for Sony and it would be very strange due to the past two years for them not to have a few nostalgia surprises and first party games on top. But hasn't there been occasions where both MS and Sony have showed the same third party game at there own conferences. Even though MS has Scorpio to show off they really need to show some big surprises other than Forza, Halo, Crackdown & State of decay 2.
One MS exclusive equals all the competitions exclusive for me. That's why I got rid of it,
So why don't you run along and go play your *games* instead of spending time and effort into something that doesn't interest you.
I mean, yeah, who the fuck likes games on here. Crazy right.
I didn't see an explosion of interest towards the PS4 Pro even though it had proven itself to be the best place to play everything when it comes to consoles for over a year. I don't think people will suddenly feel this is really important now Xbox has the better box. I mean, the cheaper system will always be the primary system until we actually get to a new gen.
Like let's not act like last year the Scorpio page on IGN wasn't one of the most visited E3 pages. On here it's not gonna win anything or matter, but if MS gets scorpio as one of the main talking points coming out of E3 for the mainstream , then they win
Primethius
Banned
It's too late for that. We are 4 years into the gen. And it's not even the base SKU, it's the higher priced SKU.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yep, X1S will be the bigger seller this holiday.
Either is great for MS since it brings new people in, knowing all there games will transfer over when they are ready for Scorpio or people migrating to Scorpio after being fans for years.
People who think it is logical to price the Scorpio at $399. You are correct.
What you are forgetting: Microsoft.
The same people who were high fiving each other after the Xbox One reveal of Kinect, Tv features, a bad price point and poor used games messaging. High fiving each other. Like they nailed it.
Microsoft has a history of being incredibly tone deaf. There is no way the Scorpio is less than $449. I am expecting $499 personally.
Although, I would be happy to be wrong because it's about time Microsoft got competitive.
What you are forgetting: Microsoft.
The same people who were high fiving each other after the Xbox One reveal of Kinect, Tv features, a bad price point and poor used games messaging. High fiving each other. Like they nailed it.
Microsoft has a history of being incredibly tone deaf. There is no way the Scorpio is less than $449. I am expecting $499 personally.
Although, I would be happy to be wrong because it's about time Microsoft got competitive.
Its like you removed the last 4 years of them not being tone deaf at all.
Samurai G0SU
Member
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Wrong. And please Just look what Microsoft did recently. Allowing gamers to play their Old digital and physical games FOR FREE without charging extra (if you owned).
Or allowing gamers to Return digital games.
The Microsoft today is NOT the same as the Microsoft Back when Xbox One launched. lets be real here, okay?
Win what, out of curiosity?
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
The last thread that everyone kept bringing up, "bb-but xbawx has no gamez!" got locked and everyone in that thread ignored something a mod posted so I'm going to post it here as well.
ThoseDeafMutes said:
Not the generation of course. Headlines. Mindshare of the general public. Good will etc.if coming out of E3, the biggest things are RDR2, WW2 COD and Scorpio, that's hige
The s and the slim are going to be the biggest sellers this holiday. Duh. But you want this product to be seen as desirable and buzzworthy in the future and start building a foundation.
Samurai G0SU
Member
his/her's money? what else would they win?
Fantastic Quote. Nails it perfectly.
SlipperyMoose
Member
I'm guessing $499. That seems to be a fine balance between a premium priced product and not too high for the consumer.
Where have you been for the last 4 years as the entire company has changed since then?
$399 is fine.
The die size is the same as the original XBO and PS4. This time the on die RAM is gone and so is Kinect, so this should fall in line with the cost parameters of the PS4.
They are adding a vapor chamber cooling system, but the cost of such should be ~$10 in mass production.
The custom power phase regulation should cost a couple dollars per unit at most.
As seen with the One S, the cost of changing to the UHD disc drive is <$20.
The hard drive space is being doubled and the RAM is increased by 50%, but this is in comparison to what will be 4 year old machines. (In all fairness, the prices in these two industries have stagnated somewhat)
Profit margin on $399 should be thin to non-existant, but easily made up for with software sales and subscriptions that result in much better ROI over time.
The die size is the same as the original XBO and PS4. This time the on die RAM is gone and so is Kinect, so this should fall in line with the cost parameters of the PS4.
They are adding a vapor chamber cooling system, but the cost of such should be ~$10 in mass production.
The custom power phase regulation should cost a couple dollars per unit at most.
As seen with the One S, the cost of changing to the UHD disc drive is <$20.
The hard drive space is being doubled and the RAM is increased by 50%, but this is in comparison to what will be 4 year old machines. (In all fairness, the prices in these two industries have stagnated somewhat)
Profit margin on $399 should be thin to non-existant, but easily made up for with software sales and subscriptions that result in much better ROI over time.
But we already known the power level thanks to not one but 2 previous reveals, they already have a very well price positionned BR UHD player with the XB1S and we have seen the results of 6tf with Forza 7 in 4k60.
The only way for them to have a "game changer" that you seem to describe is either a massive exclusive (3rd party, as we know what the MS 1st party studios are busy doing, and what seems to be coming this year has been shown in MS's E3s for years now, from Sea of Thieves to Crackdown 3 to Cuphead to State of Decay 2) or a price level that would be seen as mind blowing (sub $399, which noone in their right mind expects)...
We also know that a big difference in power (compare a Pro to an XB1S) does not mean alone great sales, particularly at this point in the gen imo.
So... Marketing magic? Maybe?
Magic Mushroom
Member
Looking forward to it. Though the games I actually look forward to the most are small games. Give me 4K Cuphead and Ori 2.
That's exactly why I brought that up. Any other year, like you said, wouldn't be as much of an issue. But the one year MS brings out the most powerful console, the best place to play 3p games, it would've been a huge selling and buzz point if they could've showed first footage of RDR2 and BF2 (aka the best 3P games). It would've been the perfect storm in a way especially the issues they have with 1P. For most of us on Gaf it's no biggie we know it's just marketing rights but for others it serves as an illusion that it's synonymous with the brand kind of gives off the vibe that you can only play it on the console shown (first impression). And those 2 games are going to reach an audience no other game this year would.
Will be interesting to see MS' approach with E3.
wesleyshark
Banned
DriftingSpirit
Member
Sure, I wasn't saying otherwise.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Gutter-tier. GAF Rhodium is where the cool kids are.
Not sure what your hinting at? Seems like you think Scorpio will flop?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
If it is $399.99, I'll fucking buy one day one.
Not really getting a lot. I think it is an average price for what you get but I still don't expect 399 simply because of the fact that MS tend to overprice their hardware to get maximum profit from early adoptors then lower it later.
But they can easily make a more premium SKU (Elite controller, XBL, games etc) and drive that price up for the diehards, and keep the core at $399
Possumowner
Member
399 with release in October/November.
Scalebound 2 as a launch title
Scalebound 2 as a launch title
They did more expensive SKUs for the XB1S, held back the cheaper option so that the early adopters pay the premium. Then when the early adopters were covered released the cheaper options.
Munki
Member
That would be great.
399 is the smart bet, Sony has been stomping them with that pricepoint, and the specs line up with that price.
MS isn't stupid, so I hope they are buying up studios and about to drop some megaton exclusive announcements. E3 is going to be pretty deadly for them if they don't step up their game big time in that dept.
I've got my eye on Xbox, and I haven't said that since 2002
MS isn't stupid, so I hope they are buying up studios and about to drop some megaton exclusive announcements. E3 is going to be pretty deadly for them if they don't step up their game big time in that dept.
I've got my eye on Xbox, and I haven't said that since 2002
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
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The Salt Life
Banned
Do those surprises have to come out in the following 7 months or could they be years away from seeing the light of day?