Blarg, the problem is that, at the beginning of the game most players though this game was pure role madness (aka. no vanillas, or maybe 1 or 2 at most). Scum Palmer would have had information about the amount of vanillas. Yet he claimed vanilla in hopes of this game having heaps and bounds of vanillas after all?
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Pineapple Pizza Mafia |OT| The War On Fruit Pizza
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Shiiiiiit, what, Blarg making sense for once!? I'm 75% sure Palmer is neutral and a little more than half sure he's scum. You have my sword if need be.
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This only digs MY hole deeper, but I don't feel like scum would neccesarily have any info about the number of vanillas.
They'd maybe have a more educated guess since they can see their own 4-5 roles, and gauge town power based on that.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Isnt it just easier to claim vanilla tho i mean you don't have an ability you can easily copy a lot of the sample pm to fit your fake role claim.
Wait...why would scum Palmer have information about the amount of vanillas?
If you made that kind of effort instead of generalizing I'd have nothing to say, so it's disingenuous to want what you don't do yourself.
He wouldn't have information about the amount of vanillas. Which means Blarg's theory (Palmer claimed vanilla early so he can eat up all of the vanilla claims that come after him) is somewhat suspicious, since the game was advertised as role madness (which usually has implied in gaf no vanillas).
Claiming anything at the start of d1 is still garnering attention to yourself for no reason.
Ayodeji is my bro.
Wrong thread
Could be, but I'm still more wary of Palmer especially since he's trying to lead conversation but after day 1, his 'claim' hasn't come under any fire.
Vote: Palmer
Go ahead and disprove me
Blargonaut
Banned
yes you utter masochist you love it when I vote against you like that don't you
TY for weaving us a ward against the encroaching hordes of evil with the power of your love, I've copied it into my spellbook and whispered F to pay respect your Hadal fee
hey_monkey
Banned
I agree with you hard on the first paragraph. Come join us. If we flip 30 it does free him up so I doubt he'd mind (I wonder if he asked for a replacement? He said he was considering). Blarg, can I convince you or do you think there's a strong reason to go for Palmer today? I'd vote there but I don't think we can get the votes. But if we flip 30 anyone who lives can gun for him tomorrow. I'm up for either. I prefer this over a Swamped lynch regardless.
This is all true. However, I think Palmer could have shouted down almost anyone who counterclaimed as the only other vanilla townie so it was a relatively safe play because of his being largely absent and because of his posting style and standing.
I believe Palmer is smart enough to use every tool at his disposal.
I also questioned in the past the way you two have lined up. Palmer questioned it also but surface. Possibly to look good.
Now I'm gonna go make cheesecake.
I'm just gonna go full surface-level here
Obviously, we know in hindsight that Palmer_v1's claim and request for counterclaims was a stupid, terrible, no-good, very bad move that has possibly doomed us all, cursed by his name, yadda yadda. I gave my reasoning for trusting him D1:
At the time, I believed there was only one blue in the game, if there was even one at all. Most of us probably thought that was what would be meant by role madness, after all. If Palmer_v1 is setting up a Sarlacc pit to eat up counterclaims of being blue, he'd have to know that there were town blues to begin with that he could feast on. How would he know that?
In light of the Miller claim, I will say that the Godfather postulation may have more credence to it - assuming Natiko is telling the truth, we would know that there's a cop and that Sophia is being mildly bastard to said cop. I still don't believe this is overly likely, but I mention it again for completeness's sake.
I think there are enough things to be uneasy about regarding Swamped, regardless of her blue claim. You say you can't believe people are piling on in light of this defense - I can't believe people are piling off in light of this defense. I think we stand to gain far more from a Swamped flip than we would from either acohrs or Palmer_v1.
Obviously, if we want a scumflip from Palmer_v1, then every effort should be made to take me down as well, because I'm entirely complicit in whatever he's up to and his most vocal defender.
hey_monkey
Banned
psst whole name tho
Blargonaut
Banned
Why. Support. Palmer.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I gotta be real honest with you, it's really tempting
So why did Palmer ask for any other vanilla to counter claim him in his initial claim post...? Hm.
Blargonaut
Banned
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Maybe he really did think there were only like one or two vanillas, and he thought he could thunderdome them and win. He didn't count on there being more than a couple.
Conversely, he never thought so in the first place and just used that as an excuse to "accidentally" roleclaim.
So what would have been the point of doing that thunderdome? He would have gone under fire afterwards, if the whole game had only 2 vanilla claims, him and the other one.
hey_monkey
Banned
I mean, I answered in the post you quoted.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Maybe he didn't count on getting any counterclaims?
You know what, I have been suspicious of Palmer's vanilla claim from the get-go, and I get Blarg's arguments. I could be convinced to vote for Palmer, but I would generally prefer to save that for day 3 at this point. Right now, I could vote for 30years, but I still have some confidence in my acohrs vote. Even now, it feels like acohrs is being cagey about information.
almer_v1Which would make Blarg's theory completely moot.
Blargonaut
Banned
You're asking for my opinion on why Palmer went Role-fishing with his own ass.
Maybe, Burb, it's because his Role demands it?
Maybe, I should click my secret GAFia Gold Inbox where I'm CC'd everyone's Role PMs by Sorian at the start of every game, but which I refuse to employ out of a misplaced sense of honour.
Don't understand why scumPalmer would know how many Vanillas were in the game, don't understand why PR townPalmer would know how many Vanillas were in the game, dont understand hoe vanilla townPalmer would know how many vanillas were in the game.
I get the feeling palmers claim was more a slip of the tongue
I get the feeling palmers claim was more a slip of the tongue
I don't support Palmer at all. He's high on my list. The problem is I still have my hunch on Swamped. She looks like she is intentionally trying to go under the radar and if she is scum then I feel like the plan for her was just to keep discussion from her and let her go unnoticed. So any attempt to fragment the vote is very worrisome for me and sets off red flags, since a pile on to achors seems plausible
I feel the wind of resistance in the air for lynching Swamped. I'll take the path of most resistance
So you are suggesting he is a neutral on some sort of vanilla hunt? Then why has he been gunning for 30years, who hasn't claimed?
hey_monkey
Banned
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Not really. He could have intimidated anyone else by just saying "I'm vanilla. this is role madness, therefore I'm the only one and anyone else is lying," and people wouldn't counterclaim. Saying he wants them to is just asking them to challenge him, which is undesirable because of Palmer's presence in the game.
Blargonaut
Banned
"Path of most resistance"? Swamped has been on the cliff's edge for almost the entire Day. Are you actually serious? Palmer is the fucking wall.
I'm not fragmenting this two-way without reasons. Palmer has far more basis to be booted than Swamped.
This is the darkest timeline for all townies not named Lifeline.
What's his end-game?
If he was slipping people pizzas, he's not gonna slip one to Lifeline when BlackBuzzard and WhereAreMahDragonz actually claimed. Is he going for lynches, NKs, or deaths in general against them?
hey_monkey
Banned
I'm gonna vote either Palmer or 30 depending on closer to end of day. I can't see voting Swamped.
Though I have smallest hesitation at possibly losing a super active player.
vote: Palmer_v1
Though I have smallest hesitation at possibly losing a super active player.
vote: Palmer_v1
That is partially what did happen. Dragonz was nervous about exposing PRs to risk, so she didn't feel comfortable going forward with a counterclaim. Instead, she decided to let Palmer's claim stand until she was forced to claim by being voted on. At that point, doubt had formed in people's minds about the credibility of vanilla claims, especially since BB immediatly followed suit.
Acorns, did you read Palmer's post where he claimed? It wasn't a distracted thought or slip of the tongue.
Blargonaut
Banned
What the fuck is this
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
VOTE: Palmer_v1
It's either him or Swamped. I'll move my vote to avoid a tie as necessary.
It's either him or Swamped. I'll move my vote to avoid a tie as necessary.
This whole Palmer vanilla flytrap theory doesn't make any sense unless Palmer knew there would be a bunch of vanillas. Palmer has been cagey about some info from Sophia but I feel like if it was this info he would've been modkilled. Without knowing there would be several vanillas his gambit makes no sense. I'm no fan of Palmer but you need to come up with some way better reasoning before we lynch one of the most vocal and active players over those doing nothing.
This is false. Swamped has been held to the gun by me, Lifeline, and McQuacked. I know I am town and Lifeline is town, therefore I only have to take one small leap and think Launch is town, whom came to the same conclusions as me.
She was basically ignored by everyone else, whom at best said just enough to have a comment on the matter. This doesn't seem like the way our collective should have reacted, had Swamped been an innocent town. She should be an easy victim had she been town, and I should not have had to put this much work in.